Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team?

Moderators: Domejandro, infinite11285, Harry Garris, ken6199, Dirk, bisme37, KingDavid, bwgood77, zimpy27, cupcakesnake

Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team honors?

Yes
113
86%
No
19
14%
 
Total votes: 132

User avatar
California Gold
Starter
Posts: 2,214
And1: 2,683
Joined: Aug 15, 2013
Location: Orange County/SF Bay Area/Boston
 

Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#1 » by California Gold » Fri May 24, 2019 1:27 pm

I know for most of us it's crazy to think that this is even a question. But I'm just curious to see how many people actually feel this way after seeing this video.

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter
Young gun 6
Analyst
Posts: 3,551
And1: 6,004
Joined: Dec 23, 2014
     

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#2 » by Young gun 6 » Fri May 24, 2019 1:28 pm

Absolutely.
User avatar
UcanUwill
RealGM
Posts: 27,117
And1: 28,244
Joined: Aug 07, 2011
 

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#3 » by UcanUwill » Fri May 24, 2019 1:30 pm

He is MVP, or at worst MVP runner up, how the hell he doesnt deserve all NBA first team? Who is that guy who says otherwise, cringe.
Johnny Fontane
Head Coach
Posts: 6,723
And1: 11,552
Joined: Jun 09, 2018

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#4 » by Johnny Fontane » Fri May 24, 2019 1:31 pm

Like Harden or not he carried the Rockets for much of the season. Max needs to tone it down on the sodium intake
User avatar
mj234eva
General Manager
Posts: 8,416
And1: 3,567
Joined: Apr 16, 2011
Location: South Side Chicago

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#5 » by mj234eva » Fri May 24, 2019 1:33 pm

Change the shows name to Hot Take.
Michael Jordan wrote:Sometimes I wish I could be my teammates looking at that
defense. It must be nice. But it isn't nice for me.
Saints14
Analyst
Posts: 3,726
And1: 5,391
Joined: Jul 19, 2013
 

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#6 » by Saints14 » Fri May 24, 2019 1:36 pm

Of course he does. I shouldn't even be wasting my time responding to a Kellerman take, but his argument is ridiculous and has no substance (Harden doesn't belong on the first team because you'd take 5 players before him, with no explanation of WHY Harden would fall below those 5 players). I can sympathize with the argument that All-NBA teams should include playoffs, or that they should be positionless, but those ARE the rules, and under those rules Harden is a no-doubt first teamer. Even in Kellerman's perfect world of including playoff performance and excluding position restrictions, the argument to exclude Harden is pretty weak. He still had a great, if not MVP caliber playoffs (31.6/6.9/6.6, 3 STOCKS, above average TS%, lower TOV% than during the RS, 8.4 BPM against 2 great defenses), and oh btw where was LeBron this spring? Also, no mention of Jokic who if anything accentuates his case for first team with his stellar playoffs? This is just classic First Take talking about nonsense for the attention (and I'm guilty of giving it to them)
VCBC
Senior
Posts: 696
And1: 1,114
Joined: Apr 15, 2019

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#7 » by VCBC » Fri May 24, 2019 1:37 pm

Yes, All NBA 1st Team Flopper
User avatar
Woody Allen
General Manager
Posts: 7,799
And1: 2,840
Joined: Aug 13, 2002
Location: Toronto

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#8 » by Woody Allen » Fri May 24, 2019 1:44 pm

Who the hell is that? Why are we giving visibility to nobodies?
r0drig0lac
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,583
And1: 5,243
Joined: Dec 24, 2015
 

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#9 » by r0drig0lac » Fri May 24, 2019 1:44 pm

no doubt (not a top 5 player in the league imo.)
Klayforspicy
Head Coach
Posts: 7,224
And1: 7,248
Joined: Nov 05, 2016

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#10 » by Klayforspicy » Fri May 24, 2019 1:46 pm

Are you serious man
User avatar
SlowPaced
RealGM
Posts: 12,708
And1: 17,487
Joined: Jan 28, 2013
Location: An Inconvenient Place
   

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#11 » by SlowPaced » Fri May 24, 2019 1:48 pm

The dude is either the MVP or the runner up to the MVP this season. Of course he deserves it.

Do these people understand what All-NBA Teams are supposed to be?
dhsilv2
RealGM
Posts: 42,322
And1: 22,214
Joined: Oct 04, 2015

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#12 » by dhsilv2 » Fri May 24, 2019 1:51 pm

Please don't post videos of known trolls who don't even watch basketball!
dhsilv2
RealGM
Posts: 42,322
And1: 22,214
Joined: Oct 04, 2015

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#13 » by dhsilv2 » Fri May 24, 2019 1:53 pm

Woody Allen wrote:Who the hell is that? Why are we giving visibility to nobodies?


He's a boxing commentator who wasn't that good there. So clearly a sport he'd never watched is where he'll be great at giving in depth analysis.
User avatar
Chanel Bomber
RealGM
Posts: 21,986
And1: 37,075
Joined: Sep 20, 2018
 

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#14 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri May 24, 2019 1:53 pm

Harden2Dwight wrote:I know for most of us it's crazy to think that this is even a question. But I'm just curious to see how many people actually feel this way after seeing this video.

Read on Twitter


Read on Twitter

Max Kellerman is so desperate for validation that he'll say anything that goes against common sense to sound sophisticated.

Yet his go-to "advanced stat" is PER.

I prefer to listen to Skip's hot takes to be honest.
kobe_vs_jordan
General Manager
Posts: 9,470
And1: 4,476
Joined: Jan 07, 2012
Location: Atl
   

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#15 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Fri May 24, 2019 1:54 pm

Imagine scoring 36 PPG , 48 points per 100 possessions and media uses your all nba team selection as click bait.
Vladimir777
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,371
And1: 1,121
Joined: May 12, 2018
 

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#16 » by Vladimir777 » Fri May 24, 2019 1:54 pm

Those voting no, please state your reasoning and your alternative pick. And for the love of ****, please don’t just say, “Because flopping”!
TheFinishSniper
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,076
And1: 3,244
Joined: Feb 02, 2018
Location: Earth

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#17 » by TheFinishSniper » Fri May 24, 2019 1:55 pm

Kellerman is right. But in same time James Harden is not top MVP candidate for me. And to me stats and efficency are overrated due softness of NBA era and rules. Where James represents perfect example of exploits on rules of this softest era while playing only one way basketball.
CycklopsGT
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,261
And1: 1,729
Joined: Dec 30, 2018

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#18 » by CycklopsGT » Fri May 24, 2019 1:58 pm

mj234eva wrote:Change the shows name to Hot Take.

Worst Take.
Vladimir777
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,371
And1: 1,121
Joined: May 12, 2018
 

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#19 » by Vladimir777 » Fri May 24, 2019 1:59 pm

Oh my God, watching that video made me so mad. He has one of the most punchable faces of all time. And why is he yelling constantly?!

As someone posted above, the award is BY DEFINITION a regular season award. If he doesn’t like that, DON’T **** VOTE (or comment). I’m hoping he actually isn’t a voter in real life for any official awards. And yes it is by position. I agree it shouldn’t be, but it is.

I’ve always hated him. Something about how he talks. Like he has cotton in his mouth.
laika
Analyst
Posts: 3,044
And1: 1,996
Joined: Mar 22, 2011

Re: Does James Harden deserve all NBA first team? 

Post#20 » by laika » Fri May 24, 2019 2:00 pm

Vladimir777 wrote:Those voting no, please state your reasoning and your alternative pick. And for the love of ****, please don’t just say, “Because flopping”!


Harden ranked 32nd in RAPM this year.
Harden actually was really good offensively, but was really bad defensively. His impact is significantly overstated.
With that said, most people here pay attention only to box score stats. So feel free to call me delusional. You'll get some and1s. I don't have the time to explain today why winning and defense matter when evaluating a player.

Return to The General Board