Will Load Management become common place in the NBA going forward?

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Re: Will Load Management become common place in the NBA going forward? 

Post#21 » by Kurtz » Fri May 24, 2019 3:24 pm

enigmatics wrote:Those only one word that can describe this current generation of players - SOFT. Old school players must laugh at this current group of knuckleheads. I mean is this what it's come to? They're getting paid more to play less.


How "old school" are we talking about here? Load management has been around a fairly long time. For example, Shaq used to miss 10-15 games in the regular season with phantom injuries.
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enigmatics wrote:Those only one word that can describe this current generation of players - SOFT. Old school players must laugh at this current group of knuckleheads. I mean is this what it's come to? They're getting paid more to play less.


In most jobs you get paid more to work less as you get better at it.
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Post#23 » by SuigintouEV » Fri May 24, 2019 3:54 pm

Gregg Popovich invented NBA load management. Does no one remember "DNP - Old Age"?

As for whether it's smart? Absolutely if you have the depth. No different from an NHL team resting their starting goalie or an MLB team resting their starting pitcher. The NBA schedule is too condensed to be playing your stars 3 games in 4 nights or 6 games in 9 nights etc.

Of course not everyone can build the cushion to do that.
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Post#24 » by XxIronChainzxX » Fri May 24, 2019 4:08 pm

Ranger One wrote:Uhh Leonard missed an entire season due to injury. The LM was part of a plan to ease him into the season gradually and carefully to prevent a reinjury. There is no way in hell Silver and the owners will allow fully healthy players to sit out 22 games a season. Furthermore, this years Raptors team was very deep and could afford to sit Leonard 22 games and still remain a top 2 team in the NBA. How many other teams can rest their superstars 22 games and still remain competitive?


Also, it hurt Kawhi accolades wise. He got 2nd team all-D, and 2nd team all NBA. He could have had a shot at 1st vs. George or Jokic if he played 75ish games. Not sure a lot of guys will just want to punt on that or eg MVP. See Harden.
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Post#25 » by Ranger One » Fri May 24, 2019 4:43 pm

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Ranger One wrote:Uhh Leonard missed an entire season due to injury. The LM was part of a plan to ease him into the season gradually and carefully to prevent a reinjury. There is no way in hell Silver and the owners will allow fully healthy players to sit out 22 games a season. Furthermore, this years Raptors team was very deep and could afford to sit Leonard 22 games and still remain a top 2 team in the NBA. How many other teams can rest their superstars 22 games and still remain competitive?


Also, it hurt Kawhi accolades wise. He got 2nd team all-D, and 2nd team all NBA. He could have had a shot at 1st vs. George or Jokic if he played 75ish games. Not sure a lot of guys will just want to punt on that or eg MVP. See Harden.


Yup. Player mentality is another huge aspect of this. Guys like Kawhi care more about his health and treat the regular season like practice so they're ready for the playoffs. Others, like Harden, just love to hoop and refuse to take days off (As per D'Antoni, who tried to give Harden rest days in the regular season but Harden wouldn't hear it).
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Post#26 » by nomansland » Fri May 24, 2019 4:50 pm

Bill Walton wishes this was a thing back in the 70's.

I have no problem with it. Playing in the NBA these days is more physically demanding than ever (people used to smoke cigarettes in ABA locker rooms during half time FFS) so there needs to be some additional rest to compensate.
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Post#27 » by MadDogSHWA » Fri May 24, 2019 4:54 pm

Exercise physiology has really advanced as a science. 82 games is too many. The league knows it now and has the data to prove it.

They're in a bind to reduce games without killing revenue. They trimmed the pre-season. I think we'll see that eliminated soon. They will also extend the duration of the season. Imagine the season being 1 month longer and no teams ever having to play a back-to-back.
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Post#28 » by SSUBluesman » Fri May 24, 2019 5:19 pm

enigmatics wrote:Those only one word that can describe this current generation of players - SOFT. Old school players must laugh at this current group of knuckleheads. I mean is this what it's come to? They're getting paid more to play less.


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Post#29 » by jimmy keys » Fri May 24, 2019 5:25 pm

MadDogSHWA wrote:Exercise physiology has really advanced as a science. 82 games is too many. The league knows it now and has the data to prove it.

They're in a bind to reduce games without killing revenue. They trimmed the pre-season. I think we'll see that eliminated soon. They will also extend the duration of the season. Imagine the season being 1 month longer and no teams ever having to play a back-to-back.


Just expand the league to 32 teams, each team plays one another twice for a total of 62 and be done with it. Star players would play every game, unless truly injured. Each game would be way more intense and entertaining probably generating much higher viewership.

Can it be done without killing revenue? That's the main question. The NBA is TV driven league though, as opposed to NHL which far more gate dependant.
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Post#30 » by boomershadow » Fri May 24, 2019 6:00 pm

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Michael Jordan wrote:Pacers really pissed me off with how they managed Oladipo and I hope his camp lets them hear it. **** the Pacers medical staff and hire independent doctors this season.

His knee kept bothering him and they kept rushing him back.


Good point. Oladipo was a prime candidate for LM if there was one. Embiid and Lebron are fair game too imo.
I also think Pacers getting swept had a lot to do with the large load all the players had throughout the season. We chased that fourth seed hard. Our players looked gassed. They were missing free throws at a crazy rate. Most of them, not just one guy.
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Post#31 » by MadDogSHWA » Fri May 24, 2019 6:16 pm

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MadDogSHWA wrote:Exercise physiology has really advanced as a science. 82 games is too many. The league knows it now and has the data to prove it.

They're in a bind to reduce games without killing revenue. They trimmed the pre-season. I think we'll see that eliminated soon. They will also extend the duration of the season. Imagine the season being 1 month longer and no teams ever having to play a back-to-back.


Just expand the league to 32 teams, each team plays one another twice for a total of 62 and be done with it. Star players would play every game, unless truly injured. Each game would be way more intense and entertaining probably generating much higher viewership.

Can it be done without killing revenue? That's the main question. The NBA is TV driven league though, as opposed to NHL which far more gate dependant.
Certainly many scenarios to consider. In your scenario the team loses about 10 home games. That's probably enough money for them to say they can't afford it.

On the flip side some of the arenas that aren't sold out every night might not even notice that.

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Post#32 » by enigmatics » Fri May 24, 2019 6:28 pm

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enigmatics wrote:Those only one word that can describe this current generation of players - SOFT. Old school players must laugh at this current group of knuckleheads. I mean is this what it's come to? They're getting paid more to play less.


They are smarter. Makes no sense to be "hard" just to be "hard" when the alternative makes a lot more sense.

Noteworthy that this seems applicable to a lot things in life. People who think driving automatic is less "hard" than driving stick comes to mind.


Devaluing the regular season is not smart. People pay good money to see these players far in advance. I just hope the fans wake up one day and push back against this kind of thing instead of lining the pockets of the players for an inferior product.
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Post#33 » by tommer » Fri May 24, 2019 6:33 pm

This has been discussed for years, but:

Drop the regular season to 72 games (nice mathematical number):
- 3 games against teams in your own conference
- 2 games against teams in the other conference.
- ZERO back-to-backs

in-season FA cup-style single elimination tournament with random draw each round & last season's NBA finalists getting 1st round bye, with a deep-pocketed title sponsor wanting to make a big splash. "Final 4" could potentially replace all star weekend.

If done right I think it could lead to additional national TV/sponsorship money that could more than offset any reduction in gate receipts (if any), and the overall quality/intrigue of the basketball would go up.
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Post#34 » by Luigi » Fri May 24, 2019 6:34 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:Sadly yes. And me buying tickets with dynamic pricing way in advance will become far less common. They better do something and fast.

Or silver can just keep playing his fiddle.


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Post#35 » by Klayforspicy » Fri May 24, 2019 6:35 pm

1. the regular season sucks at a certain point

2. Kawhi situation is unique, as he has a degenerative quad
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Post#36 » by Johnny Bball » Fri May 24, 2019 6:36 pm

Luigi wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:Sadly yes. And me buying tickets with dynamic pricing way in advance will become far less common. They better do something and fast.

Or silver can just keep playing his fiddle.


Silver is killing the golden goose. NBA product is suffering for short term gains. It won't last.


It's been a real insult for a while since dynamic pricing when you shell out a grand to see a prime-time player just to have him rest. I'm not sure why they can't see this is a problem.

Injuries are injuries. But it's mostly the rest days that bother me.
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Post#37 » by enigmatics » Fri May 24, 2019 6:36 pm

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enigmatics wrote:Those only one word that can describe this current generation of players - SOFT. Old school players must laugh at this current group of knuckleheads. I mean is this what it's come to? They're getting paid more to play less.


In most jobs you get paid more to work less as you get better at it.


Playing in the NBA is not the same thing. Could you imagine rolling out a big Broadway play and during it's 8 week run, the headlining actor only appeared for 5 weeks?

Other jobs - specifically corporate jobs - you can find ways to become more efficient without needing to be around as often. That's not the case with NBA teams. When LeBron sits, his team suffers. When Kawhi sits, his team suffers.
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Post#38 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Fri May 24, 2019 6:42 pm

SuigintouEV wrote:Gregg Popovich invented NBA load management. Does no one remember "DNP - Old Age"?

As for whether it's smart? Absolutely if you have the depth. No different from an NHL team resting their starting goalie or an MLB team resting their starting pitcher. The NBA schedule is too condensed to be playing your stars 3 games in 4 nights or 6 games in 9 nights etc.

Of course not everyone can build the cushion to do that.


well this strategy is also used to develop role players. why do you think SA always spins out great role players - they actually use them.

Raptors can use load management to get guys like Malcolm Miller, Boucher, Loyd some PT in real NBA game situations.
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Post#39 » by illuminati666 » Fri May 24, 2019 7:15 pm

The only negative to Kawhi's amazing playoff run.
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Post#40 » by nomansland » Fri May 24, 2019 7:40 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Luigi wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:Sadly yes. And me buying tickets with dynamic pricing way in advance will become far less common. They better do something and fast.

Or silver can just keep playing his fiddle.


Silver is killing the golden goose. NBA product is suffering for short term gains. It won't last.


It's been a real insult for a while since dynamic pricing when you shell out a grand to see a prime-time player just to have him rest. I'm not sure why they can't see this is a problem.

Injuries are injuries. But it's mostly the rest days that bother me.


If you spend $1000 to see a basketball game, you're either a fool or have so much money to burn that it doesn't matter. I don't have a lot of sympathy for those fans. Especially when they're paying to see the star of another team. I don't live in Denver but whenever I go there and get to see a live game, I pay hoping to see the Nuggets win. F the other team, their stars, and whatever bandwagon fans are there to watch them.

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