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Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:29 pm
by Warriorfan
It's a players driven league where it only take acquiring 1 , a superstar, to be a perennial playoff team 2 to contend.

So drafting well gives the best window. free agency is quick but how many times has it worked getting 2 stars who have played 7-10 yrs.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:34 pm
by Raps in 4
No. Super teams are still the easiest path to a championship. The only way to stop them is through new salary cap rules.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:35 pm
by Kawhi Hands
for as long as queen james is in the league, it wont end. once that clown retires it should settle down. until then, everyone wants him to stack his team as it's the only way he can win a ring.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:37 pm
by Johnny Bball
Players that stack teams in free agency will continue to feel the wrath of fans for upsetting the regular amount of parity that should exist. Their choice really. But it will continue to be a problem for everyone.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:47 pm
by r0drig0lac
Rainwater wrote:Lol wait until the off season begins, one can be created.

or 2, or 3...unfortunately I do not believe this will end, the players mentality has changed, so it's just a matter of opportunity (or creating opportunities as in the case of Miami)

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:54 pm
by OriginalRed
Statlanta wrote:
OriginalRed wrote: the Warriors are the ones who should have gotten swept by the Raptors without KD if the Raptors hadn't made such mental errors in Game 5 and scored a few points during that 18-0 in Game 2.


The Raptors lost to the worst division winner in recent history on their homecourt. They are not sweeping nobody.


Again, they should have but they didn't and yet were still in full position to do so if they didn't make such mental **** ups down the stretch.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:54 pm
by TA42
Raps in 4 wrote:No. Super teams are still the easiest path to a championship. The only way to stop them is through new salary cap rules.


I could see the league trying to implement rules to force more parity but honestly how do you stop it?

If the league says you can't have more than 2 max salary slots on a team they'll just take a bit less to team up. League could try a hard cap but the players association would never allow it, etc.

I suppose you could have a rule that states you're not allowed to trade for or sign a player that placed on an all-nba team the prior year if you already have a player that placed on the team. Again though I think the players union would fight against it based on limiting the players ability in free agency.

What are some good ideas to limit the "super team" concept?

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:25 pm
by Cactus Jack
Hell no. This generation of players want to play together. Super-teams aren't going away any time soon.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:05 pm
by Lalouie
Black Jack wrote:Since the KG / Ray Allen / Pierce / Rondo Celtics the superteam led by three allstars, one of which (at least) is an MVP level player has been the fashionable model. The LeBron / Wade / Bosh Heatles, then the Curry / Durant / Klay / Dray Warriors won rings with two MVP level players, and at least one other all star (and stealth assassin Igoudala).

Now the Kawhi Raptors have shown that one superstar and one all star, plus a deep veteran supporting cast can win. I see a lot of people saying it's better to have more good role players than an all star starting cast.

The problem with superteams seems to be weak supporting casts create the need for too many minutes by the primary players, leading to injuries and fatigue. Also, cap management becomes nearly impossible with three guys wanting max deals, and only super wealthy teams led by multi-billionaires like Lacob can consider paying the repeater tax.

The Warriors were/are a fluke based on weak ankled Curry who was not considered an elite force, signing a cheap deal, Draymond coming out of nowhere, the cap anomoly the year Durant signed. Now I see people saying one of the four has to go, perhaps a Draymond trade, otherwise Warriors will have insane tax to pay. It seem to be the consensus a superteam is too hard to put together. Only dumb money like the Knicks are still hoping to do it via free agency.

So...is this the end of the superteam era? Or are the Kawhi Raps a one hit wonder like the Dirk Mavs?


the connotation of a "superteam" is a team of all stars that's NOT organically grown.

it's an all star team built to compete to compete in a non-all star environment. as opposed to say "the dream team" built to compete on a world stage of all star teams from other countries. so in an nba sense, a superteam seeks to distort the playing field. i do not believe that was the intent of the kg/pierce celts as opposed to the miami team.

gsw became a superteam when they signed kd. however, as been opined, they were already a legit organically great team before kd. they're not like the lebron miami lebron cavs teams.
lebron is trying to put one together now - he'll fail
nyk is trying and that's all,,,,"trying"

i think the term has already been overused and overplayed to death. no one else is trying to put together a "superteam". well, maybe philly has been trying, but that's one team and they're fake anyway. it is an impossible task. lebron/wade/bosh were BUDDIES, so let's start with that - he never pulled one together in cleveland before miami, did he. and i think lebron is the only one with the gonads to try to pull it off. it's one reason why he is not liked - there's a certain kind of hubris to the attempt.

another thing superteams are not traded for. they're all star FA's who group willingly and by design.

anyway to answer your question...there has never been this "movement" to forming superteams in the first place

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:07 pm
by Black Jack
Cactus Jack wrote:Hell no. This generation of players want to play together. Super-teams aren't going away any time soon.


If the "Raptors model" catches on it will. Guys will decide that having 3 max contracts with a bunch of low level hangers on won't get them a ring so they'll focus on joining teams with strong supporting casts.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:31 pm
by Chuck Everett
Vegas stole a lot of people's money. I picked the Raptors in 6 or 7, once I realized Durant wasn't playing (unfortunate injury aside). It would have been 5 games if Durant didn't gamble with his career, but oh well. Warriors only became a superteam when Durant joined them, because Curry and Klay are not very consistent game to game come playoff wise. They are totally capable of shooting 3-19 or 6-21 in multiple games.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:36 pm
by Cactus Jack
Black Jack wrote:
Cactus Jack wrote:Hell no. This generation of players want to play together. Super-teams aren't going away any time soon.


If the "Raptors model" catches on it will. Guys will decide that having 3 max contracts with a bunch of low level hangers on won't get them a ring so they'll focus on joining teams with strong supporting casts.

What exactly is that model?

At the end of the day, stars still want to play with other stars. Does Anthony Davis prefer to go to L.A., so that he can play with the likes of Kuzma, Ball or Ingram??? Or does he want to go to the Lakers because of the pull of Lebron? :wink:

You may not get 3 or more Stars on one team. But, a "Super Team" may only involve/need 2. With of course a strong supporting cast.

Toronto got some very fortunate breaks "Luck" along the way (Warrior injuries). Kawhi is a top 5 player. But, tbh most years that team wouldn't win the title (Sorry Canada). :wink:

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:37 pm
by reignfire
Superteams make sustained success easier.

You still want multiple great players on your team.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:37 pm
by Optms
NeutralObserver wrote:This dude and the media have been congruently lobbying for a superteam since he got to L.A and there's NO END in sight.

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Lebron just went to LA to chill, bro

Stop spreading fake news

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:02 pm
by John Murdoch
Who cares? Teams that play 11 deep are running things now . Defense is still very much at the for front and if you can assemble a group that genuinly like playing together with one superstar anything can happen

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:28 pm
by Dan Z
israelfirst wrote:raps winning the title in 2019 is like the spurs winning in 2014 and the mavs in 2011. It is a flash in the pan and everything will go back to normal next season. Sixers have a super team in the east and will probably win next year.


If Kawhi re-signs with the Raptors then I wouldn't count them out. They can beat anyone. Will they? Probably not, but we'll have to wait and see.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:51 pm
by Cactus Jack
Black Jack wrote:Since the KG / Ray Allen / Pierce / Rondo Celtics the superteam led by three allstars, one of which (at least) is an MVP level player has been the fashionable model. The LeBron / Wade / Bosh Heatles, then the Curry / Durant / Klay / Dray Warriors won rings with two MVP level players, and at least one other all star (and stealth assassin Igoudala).

Now the Kawhi Raptors have shown that one superstar and one all star, plus a deep veteran supporting cast can win. I see a lot of people saying it's better to have more good role players than an all star starting cast.

The problem with superteams seems to be weak supporting casts create the need for too many minutes by the primary players, leading to injuries and fatigue. Also, cap management becomes nearly impossible with three guys wanting max deals, and only super wealthy teams led by multi-billionaires like Lacob can consider paying the repeater tax.

The Warriors were/are a fluke based on weak ankled Curry who was not considered an elite force, signing a cheap deal, Draymond coming out of nowhere, the cap anomoly the year Durant signed. Now I see people saying one of the four has to go, perhaps a Draymond trade, otherwise Warriors will have insane tax to pay. It seem to be the consensus a superteam is too hard to put together. Only dumb money like the Knicks are still hoping to do it via free agency.

So...is this the end of the superteam era? Or are the Kawhi Raps a one hit wonder like the Dirk Mavs?

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Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:57 pm
by Jenga_tDot
LeBron and the Lakers say no.
**** them

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:58 pm
by Winsome Gerbil
The superteam era MIGHT end when the last of the banana boat generation of hyperpolitical players who think they are their own "brand" above team or loyalty etc. retires. It was a mentality born of that era, and LeBron has continued to spawn them in location after location. When he and CP3 are gone, I'm not sure who else will have bother the clout and desire to do so.

Re: End of the superteam era?

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:59 pm
by Optms
Good thing KD and Klay are out for the year, their lives will be spared

Curry and company though will take the whip