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snaquille oatmeal wrote:

phraoh wrote:Laker fans...really...I am not trying to be obnoxious, but why do you think the Lakers will be good in 2021-2025? Because they have AD? Odds are very high they either will NOT have Lebron or he will be what 38 years old? You think he will still be a superstar? I guess they could be good...but after AD resigns...what Lebron and him will be making 70-75 mill between them...what's left to fill the roster?

only thing I can think of is that when Lebron leaves the Lakers he will leave a 40 mil cap space in the Lakers pocket.

Yeah, about that...

Depending how far the Lakers go over the cap in the process, what they can use when LeBron leaves is far less than his $40m contract value.

To me, AD and Lebron healthy in the playoffs, regardless of who's around them, will be the favs to win the title without the juggernaut in Oakland. That said, both Lebron and AD are gonna need load management to get them to the post season healthy, and im not sure they can do that and have competitive seeding

kobyz wrote:this trade is a joke, lakers didn't give up Kuzma, best asset in the trade is Ingram who might not play another game ever, lakers shouldn't hire a GM, they have Griffin!

Your post is a joke.

If draft picks were that important Danny Ainge would've been the GOAT GM right now, in reality he's the laughing stock of the day.

They have their two superstars.
Unless you can get Kawhi (no chance imo) use your remaining cap to get good players now.
Down't blow it all on one player.

DaGawd wrote:

F N 11 wrote:

Pharmcat wrote:
They got worse package now then in Feb when kuzma and zubac were included

Did you not see the picks and swaps?

There swaps aren't any major deal I suppose.. The Lakers will probably be better than the Pels so the Pels will keep their own pick

Exactly, its one good pick and two LATE picks. Will the Pelicans benifit from a pick swap in the next 5 years, time will tell, but I dont see the Lakers being a siginificantly worse team than the Pelicans in that time frame.

Split the 30 mill between 4 players better than getting a Kyrie or Kemba

Pickup Beverly (10 mill), Danny Green (10 mill), Corey Joseph (6 mill), Baynes (4 mill)

Bring back Rondo and Bullock for min's

Bev/Rondo
Green/Cojo
Lebron/Bullock
AD/Kuzma
Baynes

Best defense in the league with lots of shooting. Tho im pretty sure LA will bust their load on a non-defense playing pg and end up being mediocre on defense this season

So lakers will only have 27.5 Mil? They are saying deal will be finalized July 6. No incentive for the Pelicans waiting until July 30 even though that would give them 5 mil more in cap. So if lakers want a star, theyd have to take a little pay cut.

amcoolio wrote:

jpengland wrote:

Lost Angel wrote:plenty of guys will want to come in free agency.

Losing all of those picks (and the swaps?!) hurts. But if the Lakers sign another great player, I’m sure we’ll see a lot of vets sign for ultra cheap.

It’s the definition of a boom or bust trade for both teams.

AD is a rare player and Lakers just snagged him in his prime. Without giving up a good 3rd option in Kuzma

AD/Wagner
Kuzma
LeBron
?
?/?/Bonga

A lot of work to do but we got 27-32M to do it.

Plenty?

With the room exception? The league isn't even awash with ring chasers like it was a few years ago.

Not to mention most the league doesn't want to play with Lebron after how poorly he has treated his teammates. I would be shocked if Kemba or any big name free agent besides Kyrie goes there. The lack of picks as cheap rotation players hurts as well, plus they have zero assets unless they flip Kuzma for 2-3 good rotation players.

I think Kemba is one of the least likely to go there, his age and size (plus he hasn't earned THAT much in comparison to other guys), he is going to want that extra year and Charlotte appear to want to give it to him.

Kawhi doesn't look likely.

Durant and Thompson are likely staying put.

Again, like Kemba, does Butler turn down the extra year, and is he in that much of a better situation with the Lakers?

Who is left? Kyrie (looks nailed on to the Nets), Middleton, Cousins?!?

Not getting the third star might actually be a blessing, 3x10m guys might help more and give them flexibility.

mademan wrote:To me, AD and Lebron healthy in the playoffs, regardless of who's around them, will be the favs to win the title without the juggernaut in Oakland. That said, both Lebron and AD are gonna need load management to get them to the post season healthy, and im not sure they can do that and have competitive seeding

This.

The roster looks like it will struggle without both LeBron and AD healthy, going to take some fantastic coaching to balance the load management and winning games.

Can easily see this team as a 7th seed. And that's potentially a horrible post season run which only takes more toll on the stars.

The injury history ofAD and the age of LeBron doesn't play well to a shallow roster.

dautjazz wrote:

itsme23 wrote:So Lebron you need more help?

This is why people love Jordan more than you.

You know that Jordan didn't do anything until he had Pippen right? He had a lot of depth too in all his championship teams. Don't act like Lebron had a chance with the team as it was, it was at best a 2nd round exit.

Just don’t like the politicking Lebron does to always get top players to play with him.

dautjazz wrote:

VanWest82 wrote:Lakers got fleeced. Who were they bidding against again?? What a joke of a franchise.

How did get fleeced? Their best assets were Lebron and Kuzma, and didn't trade either. Ingram is in his final year, he's a big risk with his health, and Lebron can't wait around for this kid to enter his prime. Ball just isn't that good, atleast not yet. Hart is ok, but come on he was a 7ppg guy last year. The fourth pick could be really nice, but the other picks, will probably be players that will be in the G-League more than their actual roster. Other than 3 late first round steals (Siakam, Bogdanović, and Kuzma), picks 26-30 are pretty forgettable players. 1 in 10 turns out to good player in this range. Now with Lebron AND Davis, they will be very attractive for a star to join to their back court. They still got a ton of money left. In the end, what was better, to trade a few guys who wont shift the needle for the Lakers in the next couple of years, or make this move now in be an instant contender.

I made a poll a few days ago on GB asking posters to rate the Lakers best trade asset outside of LeBron. The number four pick was the runaway winner followed by Ingram then Lonzo. Kuzma was last. You’re definitely in the minority with that opinion.

I don’t think the Lakers are getting a third guy but let’s say best case scenario happens and Kawhi signs. How are Lakers filling out their roster? They’ll have one MLE then the tax paying MLE each year after. Outside of that it’s all minimum contracts.

Even if you’re not high on Ingram or Lonzo the picks are a killer. You think they’ll all be late 20s. Maybe the first couple will. LeBron is turning 36 this year. His body is starting to break down. Pelicans now own the Lakers future for the next half decade. We’ve already seen a version of how this plays out with the Nets.

if pelicans kept Davis they could have compete for a title next year big 3 of Jrue, Davis and Zion would have been the favorite to come out of the west!

Wilber85 wrote:

MadNESS wrote:Kept Kuzmaaaaaaaaaa hell yeah

Kuzma is trash lol

Kuzma would have been 4th on my list of the Lakers' assets behind Ingram, Ball and the 4th. IDK why Lakers fans are so excited to keep tall Jordan Clarkson

Myth_Breaker wrote:Hooray! Even better news than GSW spoilt divas being dethroned by brave Raptors - my Lakers obtaining freakin' Anthony Davis without even giving up Kuzma (so we've got 3 starters already, need only 2 more and better bench)! Now get someone like Butler or Kemba and some 3 and D role players and we're definitely back in the game, again over the fading Warriors and their obnoxious fans! We've been telling you all along, Lakers/LeBron haters, that we will back again soon - and who's triumphant now? Us!

P.S. And where is your warchest of assets now, Danny Ainge, where? I'll tell you: it went to naught since you've wasted all chances to acquire a real superstar and it's all over now for your treadmill team in the foreseeable future!

You guys better win it next year because 2 years from now Warriors will be back as favorites, especially if KD resigns.

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:Lakers fans, and I have been one for 40 years, need to stop with Kyle Kuzma being our best asset. At least not when it comes to the basketball court. We all watched him last year struggle defensively and with his shot. Ingram was better than him at every facet of the game last year and his 3 years younger. Anybody with eyes could see that. Whatever we got AD...but let’s not pretend it was some coup that we kept Kyle freaking Kuzma.

It's not about individual talent. I believe Lonzo and Ingram both have him beat as individual players. Kuzma's value is that he's a better fit next to a Lebron/AD pairing. He gets buckets and doesn't need the ball. Of the 3, he'll be the best 3rd/4th option, even though he's less talented.

Ingram played his best basketball when Lebron wasn't on the court. They never quite figured out how to play with each other. BI is a guy who can run your offense, and even played some PG for the Lakers, but he needs the paint to be cleared out. He isn't a floor spacer yet but I feel strongly that he eventually will become one as he adds strength. He's shown he can do it on low volume.

Lonzo was the guy I wanted to keep the most, but again, when you have Lebron/AD you need a guard who spaces the floor. He was a good shooter in college and showed he can be streaky in the NBA. He isn't far from being an all-star if he just adds a consistent shot. Even just around 36% from 3 will take his game to another level. Kemba or Kyrie would be more ideal.

infinite11285 wrote:

LakerLegend wrote:

LKN wrote:
This is WAY better than Kuzma..

Read on Twitter

This is absolutely insane..what the hell.

I'm no mathematician but is that 5 picks?

No it's 3, and the choice to swap two picks. I'd bet atleast for one of those years NOLA wont swap picks because they will have the better pick. The 2024 could have potential, but I'd say that if the Lakers get Walker, Irving, or Butler this summer, they will top 3 still in 2021, and could very well still be top 10 in 5 years, even with Lebron retired by then (or a shell of his current self). What would a 21st and 28th pick land you? In 2016 that was Bembry (21) and Labissière (28). For every Siakam, there are 9 guys that that good drafted beyond the lottery. The #4 pick has real value. The Lakers are one of those teams whose success come mostly from trades and singings. Magic and Kobe were picks acquired from trades, Shaq as a free agent, etc..

bulliedog8 wrote:So lakers will only have 27.5 Mil? They are saying deal will be finalized July 6. No incentive for the Pelicans waiting until July 30 even though that would give them 5 mil more in cap. So if lakers want a star, theyd have to take a little pay cut.

Free agency begins June 30th 3pm, but official signings are on July 6th at 12pm est. The Lakers will have around $32.5M if AD waives his trade kicker.

amcoolio wrote:Lakers going to be really bad in 23 and beyond. Pelicans easily won trade. Way too much for Lakers to give up. Stop at 2022 for christ sakes, but all the way til 25? Jesus. Pelinka is a moron.

How do you know? Will AD and some other star like Kemba, Irving, or Butler be bad then? Also when Lebron is retired and off the books they will probably have replaced him as well.

dautjazz wrote:

infinite11285 wrote:

LakerLegend wrote:
This is absolutely insane..what the hell.

I'm no mathematician but is that 5 picks?

No it's 3, and the choice to swap two picks. I'd bet atleast for one of those years NOLA wont swap picks because they will have the better pick. The 2024 could have potential, but I'd say that if the Lakers get Walker, Irving, or Butler this summer, they will top 3 still in 2021, and could very well still be top 10 in 5 years, even with Lebron retired by then (or a shell of his current self). What would a 21st and 28th pick land you? In 2016 that was Bembry (21) and Labissière (28). For every Siakam, there are 9 guys that that good drafted beyond the lottery. The #4 pick has real value. The Lakers are one of those teams whose success come mostly from trades and singings. Magic and Kobe were picks acquired from trades, Shaq as a free agent, etc..

Ramona said it's one pick swap, and one of the picks can be deferred to the following year.