Do Lakers go for Kemba or Kyrie?

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Re: Do Lakers go for Kemba or Kyrie? 

Post#21 » by levon » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:02 am

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clyde21 wrote:which ever one of them is willing to take 25mil instead of the max

AD will waive the trade kicker. That puts them at 30% max is they waive Wagner/Bonga if I'm not mistaken. They can offer everyone the max except KD, who's not going there anyway and wouldn't make sense. Kemba might even take a slight discount if it lets them keep/acquire pieces.


i got 27.7 mil if my math is correct, but I did not waive Wagner or Bonga.

Do you got AD waiving the kicker? And the deal going down after FA?
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Post#22 » by clyde21 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:02 am

levon wrote:
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levon wrote:AD will waive the trade kicker. That puts them at 30% max is they waive Wagner/Bonga if I'm not mistaken. They can offer everyone the max except KD, who's not going there anyway and wouldn't make sense. Kemba might even take a slight discount if it lets them keep/acquire pieces.


i got 27.7 mil if my math is correct, but I did not waive Wagner or Bonga.

Do you got AD waiving the kicker? And the deal going down after FA?


Yes

are u not including the Deng stretch in your math?
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Re: Do Lakers go for Kemba or Kyrie? 

Post#23 » by paulbball » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:04 am

LeBron needs someone to carry him in the playoffs in the clutch.

Kyrie is the obvious choice.
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Post#24 » by levon » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:05 am

clyde21 wrote:
levon wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
i got 27.7 mil if my math is correct, but I did not waive Wagner or Bonga.

Do you got AD waiving the kicker? And the deal going down after FA?


Yes

Don't think that's right. I can't do the math myself but I'm seeing 32 mil thrown around

Read on Twitter


The 27 is if he doesn't waive the kicker.
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Post#25 » by clyde21 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:09 am

levon wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
levon wrote:Do you got AD waiving the kicker? And the deal going down after FA?


Yes

Don't think that's right. I can't do the math myself but I'm seeing 32 mil thrown around

Read on Twitter


The 27 is if he doesn't waive the kicker.


does this include the Deng stretch (5mil?)
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Post#26 » by MetalFingaz » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:10 am

paulbball wrote:LeBron needs someone to carry him in the playoffs in the clutch.

Kyrie is the obvious choice.

Pick up some slack, or carry? Because LeBron is statistically one of the most clutch playoffs performers of all time. Stop the silliness.
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Re: Do Lakers go for Kemba or Kyrie? 

Post#27 » by Smitson » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:10 am

Whichever one they can get. I will say though, I’d be very concerned about having to be the third banana on one of Lebrons super teams.
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Post#28 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:10 am

i think kemba is a better fit....i mean lebron is familiar with Kyrie but i see kemba as better fit
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Post#29 » by levon » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:11 am

Smitson wrote:Whichever one they can get. I will say though, I’d be very concerned about having to be the third banana on one of Lebrons super teams.

Eh, they'll go from being 3rd banana to 1st/2nd banana in a few years.
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Post#30 » by paulbball » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:12 am

MetalFingaz wrote:
paulbball wrote:LeBron needs someone to carry him in the playoffs in the clutch.

Kyrie is the obvious choice.

Pick up some slack, or carry? Because LeBron is statistically one of the most clutch playoffs performers of all time. Stop the silliness.


Let us be serious. Kyrie has historically carried LeBron in the clutch.

LeBron does more in 40 minutes, but that last minute, no one in the world is better than Irving.
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Post#31 » by Spens1 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:14 am

Kemba, less drama, better injury history and overall would fit what we're doing.
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Post#32 » by levon » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:16 am

clyde21 wrote:
levon wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Yes

Don't think that's right. I can't do the math myself but I'm seeing 32 mil thrown around

Read on Twitter


The 27 is if he doesn't waive the kicker.


does this include the Deng stretch (5mil?)

Yes. I think I found the wrinkle.

If both sides agree to push back the trade call until July 30, Los Angeles will have $32.5 million in room to use in free agency. By waiting the 30 days, Los Angeles would be acting like a team over the cap and would be allowed to use the fourth pick in the draft as salary. If the trade is finalized on July 6, that number will shrink to $27.8 million.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26981805/sources-lakers-reach-deal-pelicans-davis
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Post#33 » by donnieme » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:16 am

Lakers will make the same mistake all Lebron teams have. Max a third ball dominant guy with overlapping skillset then wonder why no one else can hit a shot in the playoffs
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Re: Do Lakers go for Kemba or Kyrie? 

Post#34 » by MetalFingaz » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:16 am

paulbball wrote:
MetalFingaz wrote:
paulbball wrote:LeBron needs someone to carry him in the playoffs in the clutch.

Kyrie is the obvious choice.

Pick up some slack, or carry? Because LeBron is statistically one of the most clutch playoffs performers of all time. Stop the silliness.


Let us be serious. Kyrie has historically carried LeBron in the clutch.

LeBron does more in 40 minutes, but that last minute, no one in the world is better than Irving.


Well...

Bleacher Report wrote:Playoff Years: 2006-15

Playoff Teams: Cleveland Cavaliers, Miami Heat

Total Clutch Minutes Played: 354

First, as ESPN Stats & Information highlighted in 2013, LeBron James has been pretty darn good on game-tying or lead-taking attempts in the last 24 seconds of playoff games ever since he entered the league:

Since LeBron came into the league in 2003-04, nobody in the NBA has made more game-tying and go-ahead shots in the final 24 seconds of playoff games than LeBron, who is 7-of-16 on those shots. His 43.8 field goal percentage on those clutch shots ranks the best in the NBA since his rookie season among players with at least 10 attempts. The league average is 28.3 percent on those shots.

Along with his buzzer-beater layup to defeat the Pacers in Game 1 of the Eastern Conference finals, LeBron also made a go-ahead layup with just under 11 seconds remaining in overtime.

Our analysis has similar results. And frankly, the gap between the man with the royal nickname and everyone else isn't even a small one.

If you want to argue that James fails in big moments, go right ahead. If you want to claim that his shrinking in the 2011 NBA Finals should be a permanent stain on his career and prevent him from ever being clutch, that's your prerogative.

Just be aware that you're spitting in the face of facts and letting your personal desires trump logic. After all, James has made plenty of game-winning shots in big games. He even had the famed "48 special" against the Detroit Pistons in 2007, when he scored his team's last 25 points in a double-overtime victory.

And that's only looking at scoring, which obviously isn't all that matters down the stretch of a close game. After all, James has made quite a mark passing up his own shots for better ones from his teammates, even in the biggest moments.

Maybe you want someone else taking the final shot, and that's fine. That's not what this analysis has ever been about, and looking at it through such a lens is taking an archaic approach that won't lead to as many victories when you run your hypothetical team.

But if you want someone running the show during the final five minutes of a close game, James is the obvious choice.


Via: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2447467-nba-playoff-history-clutch-meter-the-top-25-late-game-players-in-recent-memory#slide25

He's now 9-21 in the last 24 seconds, or 2-5 since this article was written.

I'll say again, stop the silliness.
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Re: Do Lakers go for Kemba or Kyrie? 

Post#35 » by clyde21 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:18 am

levon wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
levon wrote:Don't think that's right. I can't do the math myself but I'm seeing 32 mil thrown around

Read on Twitter


The 27 is if he doesn't waive the kicker.


does this include the Deng stretch (5mil?)

Yes. I think I found the wrinkle.

If both sides agree to push back the trade call until July 30, Los Angeles will have $32.5 million in room to use in free agency. By waiting the 30 days, Los Angeles would be acting like a team over the cap and would be allowed to use the fourth pick in the draft as salary. If the trade is finalized on July 6, that number will shrink to $27.8 million.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26981805/sources-lakers-reach-deal-pelicans-davis


okay now that make sense, didn't account for that

but...why would NOP agree to this?
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Post#36 » by Q C » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:19 am

Kemba, obviously
I think Kemba is one of the few players I've seen that could go to a toxic atmosphere like LeBron+LA and still remain 100% drama free
and he is a better player than Kyrie nowadays
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Post#37 » by Vae Victus » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:21 am

Kawhi


Butler

Kyrie


Kemba

Is the proper order of max FAs the Lakers should be chasing. Go for best player, then go 2way impact player, then best remaining players on the market. Butler's 2way impact will be more valuable than negative defenderes in Kyrie and Kemba imho. Having size that can switch at will and still provide elite defense is invaluable... as well as help save on Lebron's legs.
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Re: Do Lakers go for Kemba or Kyrie? 

Post#38 » by Smitson » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:28 am

I don’t see any of the top free agents wanting to join the Lakers, but if the Rockets are really wanting to unload Chris Paul I could definitely see him going to the Lakers.
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Re: Do Lakers go for Kemba or Kyrie? 

Post#39 » by RoyceDa59 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:30 am

Kemba because he’s a much better defender and teammate.


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Re: Do Lakers go for Kemba or Kyrie? 

Post#40 » by Dr Aki » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:32 am

clyde21 wrote:
levon wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
does this include the Deng stretch (5mil?)

Yes. I think I found the wrinkle.

If both sides agree to push back the trade call until July 30, Los Angeles will have $32.5 million in room to use in free agency. By waiting the 30 days, Los Angeles would be acting like a team over the cap and would be allowed to use the fourth pick in the draft as salary. If the trade is finalized on July 6, that number will shrink to $27.8 million.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26981805/sources-lakers-reach-deal-pelicans-davis


okay now that make sense, didn't account for that

but...why would NOP agree to this?


why wouldn't they if this was the best deal they could get?
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