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B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay

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B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#1 » by Detective » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:24 pm

Landing Davis, who demanded a trade and wanted to be in L.A., was arguably the easy part. The tougher challenge is to build an actual team. And we don't yet know if Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka has the skills to do it.

Rival executives have their doubts. And the Davis trade—which cost the Lakers their two best young players and effectively four of their next six first-round picks—simply underscored those doubts.

It might be, as The Ringer's Bill Simmons asserted on his podcast, the best haul ever received for a traded star.

"Lakers overpaid by a significant margin, given the conditions," one longtime team executive said.

"Experienced front office vs. inexperienced," a veteran team official observed.


By most standards, the Pelicans should have been the ones negotiating from a position of weakness.

It’s a stunning, impressive haul.

You could say the Lakers won the trade but lost the negotiation.

"Let's just wait to see who lost the negotiation," another rival GM cautioned. "What we can say with certainty is all the pressure surrounding Pelinka [stemming from Johnson's departure and the resulting stream of controversy] 1000 percent creates pressure for him to deliver on something like this. And when you're under that sort of pressure to deliver something like this, you're in a disadvantageous negotiating position."

Or, as the first team executive said, "Never let your GM be in a spot where he needs to make a trade to save his job."


Just a few excerpts above.

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841775-nba-execs-skeptical-lakers-can-build-a-title-team-after-anthony-davis-overpay
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#2 » by Mich3006 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:29 pm

Let’s talk about it after the Lakers will be on a 60 win path. And I‘m not a Lakers fan, I actually don’t like them tbh
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#3 » by teke184 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:32 pm

Ayatollah wrote:Let’s talk about it after the Lakers will be on a 60 win path. And I‘m not a Lakers fan, I actually don’t like them tbh


60 wins?

How are they going to do that when they only have three starters and a few end of bench guys right now? This also appears to be a year where money is flowing freely, so the number of ring chasers taking a discount will be lower than normal.
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#4 » by igorbianch » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:33 pm

Lol.

Lakers assets were utter trash a week ago.

Now they overpaid because of a pic swap in 2023...
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Post#5 » by Richard Miller » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:37 pm

Ayatollah wrote:Let’s talk about it after the Lakers will be on a 60 win path. And I‘m not a Lakers fan, I actually don’t like them tbh


Why stop at 60? 70 or bust
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Post#6 » by otwok » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:37 pm

Look, I hate Lebron and the Lakers but if you have Lebron on your team, you will have a chance to contend. Then you add another MVP caliber player in Ant Davis, then you have a lot more room for error. They don't need to put together the perfect team to contend for a ring. Even if you took last years team and added Ant Davis then the story is different and everyone was complaining about the fits around Lebron with that team.
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#7 » by MGB8 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:37 pm

teke184 wrote:
Ayatollah wrote:Let’s talk about it after the Lakers will be on a 60 win path. And I‘m not a Lakers fan, I actually don’t like them tbh


60 wins?

How are they going to do that when they only have three starters and a few end of bench guys right now? This also appears to be a year where money is flowing freely, so the number of ring chasers taking a discount will be lower than normal.


I don't think money is going to be flowing freely at all. Teams have seen the impact of the Wall injury, the CP3 overpay, etc., and I think the bigger deals of the past are likely going to be fewer and further between except for the true (and young) superstars, or the small markets desperate to retain a guy.

Big competition for Durant, Kyrie, maybe Kemba, maybe even Butler and Tobias... and then some other guys who get some money like Harrell, Randle, etc., but not the ever increasing contracts you might have expected.

So my guess is that there will be a good number of cheap ring chasers that will join the Lakers. The question is whether the quality and age of those guys will be good enough even with LeBron and Davis (and maybe Kyrie or Kemba).
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#9 » by LKN » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:37 pm

I think "won the deal but lost the negotiation" isn't the worst take.

Getting AD is great, but they were forced to do it now because of Lebron's age (instead of waiting for the 2020 offseason and signing AD as a FA)

As of right now they have 2 superstars and not much else. Most importantly they have no 3 point shooting and no one to guard the perimeter
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#10 » by LKN » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:39 pm

MGB8 wrote:
teke184 wrote:
Ayatollah wrote:Let’s talk about it after the Lakers will be on a 60 win path. And I‘m not a Lakers fan, I actually don’t like them tbh


60 wins?

How are they going to do that when they only have three starters and a few end of bench guys right now? This also appears to be a year where money is flowing freely, so the number of ring chasers taking a discount will be lower than normal.


I don't think money is going to be flowing freely at all. Teams have seen the impact of the Wall injury, the CP3 overpay, etc., and I think the bigger deals of the past are likely going to be fewer and further between except for the true (and young) superstars, or the small markets desperate to retain a guy.

Big competition for Durant, Kyrie, maybe Kemba, maybe even Butler and Tobias... and then some other guys who get some money like Harrell, Randle, etc., but not the ever increasing contracts you might have expected.

So my guess is that there will be a good number of cheap ring chasers that will join the Lakers. The question is whether the quality and age of those guys will be good enough even with LeBron and Davis (and maybe Kyrie or Kemba).



You are thinking wrong.... Go look how many teams have cap space. There are only so many good players and the NBA FA market does obey the law of supply and demand.
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#11 » by VCBC » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:39 pm

A former agent, turned GM, pays an unprecedented price for a future FA, destroys ability to sign another max, and resorts to SRPs to fill out roster and rivals think GM can't build a title winner...

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Post#12 » by Ridicululz » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:40 pm

How is it an overpay? Lonzo was considered trash by pretty much anyone not named Lavar and Ingram had huge health concerns with his blood clots.

The picks might not even pan out if the Lakers re-sign Davis and contend for the next couple of years.
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#13 » by MGB8 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:42 pm

LKN wrote:
MGB8 wrote:
teke184 wrote:
60 wins?

How are they going to do that when they only have three starters and a few end of bench guys right now? This also appears to be a year where money is flowing freely, so the number of ring chasers taking a discount will be lower than normal.


I don't think money is going to be flowing freely at all. Teams have seen the impact of the Wall injury, the CP3 overpay, etc., and I think the bigger deals of the past are likely going to be fewer and further between except for the true (and young) superstars, or the small markets desperate to retain a guy.

Big competition for Durant, Kyrie, maybe Kemba, maybe even Butler and Tobias... and then some other guys who get some money like Harrell, Randle, etc., but not the ever increasing contracts you might have expected.

So my guess is that there will be a good number of cheap ring chasers that will join the Lakers. The question is whether the quality and age of those guys will be good enough even with LeBron and Davis (and maybe Kyrie or Kemba).



You are thinking wrong.... Go look how many teams have cap space. There are only so many good players and the NBA FA market does obey the law of supply and demand.


We will see if I am right or wrong. Cap space is great... but gets eaten up really, really quickly. There are more players wanting big deals than there are available dollars under the cap. In reality, the fact that so many teams are under the cap may be limiting spending - since when lots of teams are over the cap you are mostly dealing with sign and trades, but more total dollars being spent on salaries. We'll see...
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Post#14 » by soxfan2003 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:49 pm

Lakers did overpay by a moderate amount. I would have insisted on some pick protection if possible to prevent Pelicans from getting more than 2 top 10 picks besides the #4 pick. Pelicans probably won't get 2 more top 10 picks out of this but I would want to 100% ensure against catastrophic AD injury or AD pulling a Dwight Howard.

I thought a "fair offer" all things considered was Lakers paying for a 1.5 year rental price for ADavis. Instead they paid what I consider a 2 year rental price of AD when AD was willing to go to the Lakers for free in all probability..

A few huge things worked in Pelicans favor. Klay and KD getting injured... making it easier to win a title in 2020.
Lebron's timeline. And Lakers being burnt a bit by waiting for Paul George.

Why 1.5 year rental price for KD if Boston/some random team was offering up 1 year rental price? Price paid to keep him in same conference. AD could have changed his mind playing with Zion.... Presence of AD may help get Butler or some other player like even Leonard.

I do think if Lakers play their cards right with how they spend remaining cap room, they will end up the legit favorites next year and not just the Vegas favorites.
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#15 » by CoP » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:49 pm

Lakers got AD. Almost every single time, the team that gets the best player wins the trade. I don't care how many picks NO got, most likely none of them will be AD.

That said, I think the Lakers will end up being in a position where either:
1) Lebron, AD and maybe another max player play a lot of minutes in the RS in order for the team to make the playoffs, which could lead to them being tired and/or injured, or
2) They try to manage their minutes and risk not making the playoffs at all

They have as good a chance as any team, though. West could be pretty wide open next season with the KD/Klay injuries.
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Re: B/R: NBA Execs Skeptical Lakers Can Build a Title Team After Anthony Davis Overpay 

Post#16 » by canadiansporter » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:52 pm

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Landing Davis, who demanded a trade and wanted to be in L.A., was arguably the easy part. The tougher challenge is to build an actual team. And we don't yet know if Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka has the skills to do it.

Rival executives have their doubts. And the Davis trade—which cost the Lakers their two best young players and effectively four of their next six first-round picks—simply underscored those doubts.

It might be, as The Ringer's Bill Simmons asserted on his podcast, the best haul ever received for a traded star.

"Lakers overpaid by a significant margin, given the conditions," one longtime team executive said.

"Experienced front office vs. inexperienced," a veteran team official observed.


By most standards, the Pelicans should have been the ones negotiating from a position of weakness.

It’s a stunning, impressive haul.

You could say the Lakers won the trade but lost the negotiation.

"Let's just wait to see who lost the negotiation," another rival GM cautioned. "What we can say with certainty is all the pressure surrounding Pelinka [stemming from Johnson's departure and the resulting stream of controversy] 1000 percent creates pressure for him to deliver on something like this. And when you're under that sort of pressure to deliver something like this, you're in a disadvantageous negotiating position."

Or, as the first team executive said, "Never let your GM be in a spot where he needs to make a trade to save his job."


Just a few excerpts above.

Thoughts?

Spoiler:
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841775-nba-execs-skeptical-lakers-can-build-a-title-team-after-anthony-davis-overpay


Don't know how anyone can think they over payed...

You don't want Zo or BI on the books when you're trying to build a championship contender. Youngins don't win titles. Hart would be good to have off the bench but you can sign the same level of talent for same price roughly.

Why pay $16M for Zo and BI when that could get you Pat Bev and Danny Green, just as an example.

Who would you prefer when you're building a team to win a chip? I'll take the intelligent vets, with the experience, ANY DAY


Long term, say 3+ years from now, yes you'd prefer the young talent, but they're in win now mode... it almost was a benefit to them to get rid of as many of the young guys as possible -- especially on huge contracts like those

I wouldn't change anything in the deal if I was the Lakers, other than maybe keeping Hart too
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Post#17 » by igorbianch » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:53 pm

LKN wrote:I think "won the deal but lost the negotiation" isn't the worst take.

Getting AD is great, but they were forced to do it now because of Lebron's age (instead of waiting for the 2020 offseason and signing AD as a FA)

As of right now they have 2 superstars and not much else. Most importantly they have no 3 point shooting and no one to guard the perimeter



THey would have to trade Ingram for a bag of chips to have the cap space. And they wouldn’t have the cap space for another star.

Lakers paid premium not only because of lebrons age, but also for the possibility of a 3rd star in a great free agency.
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Post#18 » by baller16 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:55 pm

Ayatollah wrote:Let’s talk about it after the Lakers will be on a 60 win path. And I‘m not a Lakers fan, I actually don’t like them tbh


60 wins is a big stretch tbh. Without any depth plus injury prone AD and aging Lebron who will definitely need load management, its very unlikely they hit 60 wins. You need depth to win games in the RS
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Post#19 » by LKN » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:55 pm

igorbianch wrote:
LKN wrote:I think "won the deal but lost the negotiation" isn't the worst take.

Getting AD is great, but they were forced to do it now because of Lebron's age (instead of waiting for the 2020 offseason and signing AD as a FA)

As of right now they have 2 superstars and not much else. Most importantly they have no 3 point shooting and no one to guard the perimeter



THey would have to trade Ingram for a bag of chips to have the cap space. And they wouldn’t have the cap space for another star.

Lakers paid premium not only because of lebrons age, but also for the possibility of a 3rd star in a great free agency.


I really don't get the obsession with a 3rd star (unless they can get Kawhi). They don't need a 3rd star... they need guys that can shoot and guard on the perimeter.
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Post#20 » by BVB24 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:56 pm

If they sign another All-Star (Kyrie, Kemble, Jimmy, whoever), they’re literally the favorites to come out the West.. and probably to win it all depending on Kawhi.

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