Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I]

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Who are your top 3 bets for ROTY if Zion sits out season? (RESET)

Brandon Clarke
30
7%
PJ Washington
12
3%
Kendrick Nunn
68
17%
Ja Morant
161
40%
Darius Garland
3
1%
Coby White
11
3%
Rui Hachimura
13
3%
RJ Barrett
40
10%
De’Andre Hunter
8
2%
Tyler Herro
59
15%
 
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2141 » by Colbinii » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:48 pm

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his per36 numbers looks hella good (yes I know super small sample size but still)

same with Smailagic...i think both guys need more mins.


Reid will be getting more. He was behind Dieng but Dieng has been shipped.

Last 3 for Reid he is averaging 10.7/4.7 and shooting 70% from 3 [10 attempts] in just 12 minutes per game.

Being just 20 years old this is tremendous.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2142 » by PockyCandy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:08 am

Our boy Clyde21 has probably joined Duke4Life on cloud nine.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2143 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:36 am

PockyCandy wrote:Our boy Clyde21 has probably joined Duke4Life on cloud nine.


Been a pretty good year so far for my Dukies. Zion beasted tonight. He will be ridiculously efficient if he ever becomes an 80%+ FT shooter.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2144 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:36 am

all due respek to Ja this is Zion award.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2145 » by Dacost » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:45 am

clyde21 wrote:all due respek to Ja this is Zion award.


This is a Joke right?
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2146 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:54 am

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clyde21 wrote:all due respek to Ja this is Zion award.


This is a Joke right?


do I look like i'm joking?
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2147 » by PockyCandy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:00 am

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clyde21 wrote:all due respek to Ja this is Zion award.


This is a Joke right?


I sure hope so. With all due respect to Zion, Morant has been special this season. This isn't a Brogdon vs Embiid situation. I can legitimately say that Ja Morant has been a top 10 (or possibly top 5) point guard in the NBA this year.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2148 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:01 am

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Dacost wrote:
clyde21 wrote:all due respek to Ja this is Zion award.


This is a Joke right?


I sure hope so. With all due respect to Zion, Morant has been special this season. This isn't a Brogdon vs Embiid situation. I can legitimately say that Ja Morant has been a top 10 (or possibly top 5) point guard in the NBA this year.


Zion has been the most impressive rookie on the court so far.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2149 » by PockyCandy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:05 am

clyde21 wrote:
PockyCandy wrote:
Dacost wrote:
This is a Joke right?


I sure hope so. With all due respect to Zion, Morant has been special this season. This isn't a Brogdon vs Embiid situation. I can legitimately say that Ja Morant has been a top 10 (or possibly top 5) point guard in the NBA this year.


Zion has been the most impressive rookie on the court so far.


So let's play a hypothetical game.

Rudy Gobert plays 30 games, and is Bill Russell-level dominant in those 30 games.

On the other hand, Draymond Green isn't quite as earth-shatteringly good, but he plays 75 games.

By your logic, you would go with Rudy Gobert as your defensive player of the year? Since you don't seem to value sample size as much as I do, I want to see if you're at least consistent with your criteria.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2150 » by Dacost » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:06 am

clyde21 wrote:
PockyCandy wrote:
Dacost wrote:
This is a Joke right?


I sure hope so. With all due respect to Zion, Morant has been special this season. This isn't a Brogdon vs Embiid situation. I can legitimately say that Ja Morant has been a top 10 (or possibly top 5) point guard in the NBA this year.


Zion has been the most impressive rookie on the court so far.

Zion is amazing but you're acting like JAMorant doesn't exist .

I understand the Zion hype but that's a weird thing to say especially since JA had a triple double yesterday.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2151 » by PockyCandy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:09 am

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PockyCandy wrote:
I sure hope so. With all due respect to Zion, Morant has been special this season. This isn't a Brogdon vs Embiid situation. I can legitimately say that Ja Morant has been a top 10 (or possibly top 5) point guard in the NBA this year.


Zion has been the most impressive rookie on the court so far.

Zion is amazing but you're acting like JAMorant doesn't exist .

I understand the Zion hype but that's a weird thing say.


And from what I've seen of Zion, he's amazing in his role, but it's a different role than what Morant is being asked to play. Williamson is mostly an opportunistic scorer at the moment, who isn't asked to play-make a lot (yet, although he flashes good scoring skills).

Morant, on the other hand, is the floor general for the team and is asked to have a lot more responsibility on the offensive end of the floor.

Defensively, Zion will probably end up being the (much) more impactful defensive player, but from what I've seen, he still makes rookie mistakes.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2152 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:14 am

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I sure hope so. With all due respect to Zion, Morant has been special this season. This isn't a Brogdon vs Embiid situation. I can legitimately say that Ja Morant has been a top 10 (or possibly top 5) point guard in the NBA this year.


Zion has been the most impressive rookie on the court so far.


So let's play a hypothetical game.

Rudy Gobert plays 30 games, and is Bill Russell-level dominant in those 30 games.

On the other hand, Draymond Green isn't quite as earth-shatteringly good, but he plays 75 games.

By your logic, you would go with Rudy Gobert as your defensive player of the year? Since you don't seem to value sample size as much as I do, I want to see if you're at least consistent with your criteria.


yes, this isn't the MVP where # of games matters, this is the most impressive at X...as long as I have a sufficient sample size (unless Zion gets hurt again we will) and he's the best rook on the court imma give it him...we're not talking about a normal rook here.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2153 » by Young gun 6 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:15 am

Bloody awesome to see Zion dominate.

Will be fun to see him in MVP conversations for years to come.

Unfortunately the ROTY of the race is completely over and basically unwinnable unless Zion averages his stats today for the rest of the season, but either way it's going to be fun to watch him play out the season anyway!
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2154 » by PockyCandy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:20 am

clyde21 wrote:
PockyCandy wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Zion has been the most impressive rookie on the court so far.


So let's play a hypothetical game.

Rudy Gobert plays 30 games, and is Bill Russell-level dominant in those 30 games.

On the other hand, Draymond Green isn't quite as earth-shatteringly good, but he plays 75 games.

By your logic, you would go with Rudy Gobert as your defensive player of the year? Since you don't seem to value sample size as much as I do, I want to see if you're at least consistent with your criteria.


yes, this isn't the MVP where # of games matters, this is the most impressive at X...as long as I have a sufficient sample size (unless Zion gets hurt again we will) and he's the best rook on the court imma give it him...we're not talking about a normal rook here.


Well, I disagree with you, but I gotta respect you for having consistent logic. I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2155 » by Dacost » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:22 am

clyde21 wrote:
PockyCandy wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Zion has been the most impressive rookie on the court so far.


So let's play a hypothetical game.

Rudy Gobert plays 30 games, and is Bill Russell-level dominant in those 30 games.

On the other hand, Draymond Green isn't quite as earth-shatteringly good, but he plays 75 games.

By your logic, you would go with Rudy Gobert as your defensive player of the year? Since you don't seem to value sample size as much as I do, I want to see if you're at least consistent with your criteria.


yes, this isn't the MVP where # of games matters, this is the most impressive at X...as long as I have a sufficient sample size (unless Zion gets hurt again we will) and he's the best rook on the court imma give it him...we're not talking about a normal rook here.

Even if this is the case JA has looked better than Zion.

Putting up 30 on Whiteside and Ariza is not something to brag about.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2156 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:48 am

Zion looking even more impressive than Luka did in his rookie year.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2157 » by NO-KG-AI » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:50 am

I’m ok with rewarding consistent play and the toughness of leading a team all season long as a rookie. Props to Ja, he’d be a deserving ROTY

But Zion is a substantially more dominant player.


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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2158 » by MemphisX » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:50 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:I’m ok with rewarding consistent play and the toughness of leading a team all season long as a rookie. Props to Ja, he’d be a deserving ROTY

But Zion is a substantially more dominant player.


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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2159 » by kan_t » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:51 am

If the Pelicans are in the playoff, I don't see how Zion doesn't win it. You could say he doesn't play enough games but it would not matter especially it means that the Pelicans pull the Grizzlies out of the playoff.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2160 » by Young gun 6 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:09 am

kan_t wrote:If the Pelicans are in the playoff, I don't see how Zion doesn't win it. You could say he doesn't play enough games but it would not matter especially it means that the Pelicans pull the Grizzlies out of the playoff.


Why? Zion has more support on his roster than Ja does and Pels have the easiest schedule in the league remaining...

Of the 45 games that Zion missed Pels played 28 teams over .500 By absolute far the hardest schedule in the league, so it wouldn't be some miracle if they make playoffs from here.

If Zion plays the maximum of 37 games at the current stage, only 13/37 would be against teams with .500 or better records.

They had the hardest schedule in the league before Zion played and the easiest in the league for the remainder of the season since he returned, along with still having the easiest schedule of any team to come.

Not really fair Zion misses the hardest 40 games and then is rewarded for "taking them" to playoffs when they have the easiest schedule in the league left..

If the team makes playoffs it's a combination of having Zion, having the easiest schedule remaining of every team and the efforts of a very very solid roster of Zion, Ingram, Jrue, Favors, Ball, Redick, Hart, Hayes etc.

They really should make playoffs from here looking at their remaining schedule compared to Portland and Memphis.

If Ja can actually keep Memphis in the #8 seed, i think it should be a unanimous ROTY campaign having the toughest schedule in the league from here.

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