Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I]

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Who are your top 3 bets for ROTY if Zion sits out season? (RESET)

Brandon Clarke
26
7%
PJ Washington
12
3%
Kendrick Nunn
62
17%
Ja Morant
143
39%
Darius Garland
3
1%
Coby White
8
2%
Rui Hachimura
12
3%
RJ Barrett
37
10%
De’Andre Hunter
7
2%
Tyler Herro
57
16%
 
Total votes: 367

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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2221 » by Smirk » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 am

Jurassic_Park wrote:Hold that L zion... another loss for the pels. Enjoy that 11th-13th seed


This pathetic on so many levels and one of the reasons this board frustrates me so much.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2222 » by Smirk » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:36 am

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clyde21 wrote:
Why are u mad tho


i honestly love zion.. and wish nothing but the best.. starting next year. I need Ja morant badly to win ROY... i cash in big time.

just let Ja have this one!!


You are pretty safe unless Ja gets hurt. Zion is the best rookie, but there is no way Ja doesn't win with the games Zion missed


He isn’t safe at all. Zion is flat out better. And the Pelicans have the easiest schedule in the league post ASB.

Guess who has the most difficult? Memphis.

It’ll come down to “does the amount of games played matter and how much better does a player have to be to make up for it?”
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2223 » by Buzzard » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:44 am

Smirk wrote:
J___Av wrote:
Jurassic_Park wrote:
i honestly love zion.. and wish nothing but the best.. starting next year. I need Ja morant badly to win ROY... i cash in big time.

just let Ja have this one!!


You are pretty safe unless Ja gets hurt. Zion is the best rookie, but there is no way Ja doesn't win with the games Zion missed


He isn’t safe at all. Zion is flat out better. And the Pelicans have the easiest schedule in the league post ASB.

Guess who has the most difficult? Memphis.

It’ll come down to “does the amount of games played matter and how much better does a player have to be to make up for it?”

Personally I am looking forward to the two games the Hawks have against the Grizzlies inside the 1st 10 after the break. I think they will be a excellent measuring stick on the impact Capela will have for the Hawks.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2224 » by Dacost » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:54 am

ZION is a better player dude is unreal but JA is basically carrying a team full of 20 year olds every night to me that's way more impressive and should not be overlook.

Just picture JA with vets guys on their prime like JJ redick and Holiday on his team.

Also JA only plays 25 minutes a game which hurts him big time when it comes to stats but it helps him get Ws.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2225 » by J___Av » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:09 am

Dacost wrote:
Also JA only plays 25 minutes a game which hurts him big time when it comes to stats but it helps him get Ws.


So......you are just going to flat out lie eh? Ja plays 30 min a game which is 3 min more than Zion
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2226 » by Smirk » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:19 am

Dacost wrote:
Also JA only plays 25 minutes a game which hurts him big time when it comes to stats but it helps him get Ws.


Flat out lie. Ja plays more minutes than Zion.

You want to start comparing Per36 stats...I don’t think you do. :lol:
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2227 » by PockyCandy » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:22 am

Well, it took 50 games, but we finally have entered the "TOXIC AND POINTLESS ARGUMENT ABOUT WHICH OF TWO ROOKIES IS BETTER" stage of this year's rookie thread. We will now see cherry-picked statistics and wild claims about both rookies and their respective teams. Having a mostly-civil rookie thread was fun while it lasted, I suppose.

If you all could avoid outright trolling, that would be nice. We don't want to have a repeat of the Simmons vs Mitchell debate of a couple of years ago.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2228 » by Young gun 6 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:28 am

Smirk wrote:
J___Av wrote:
Jurassic_Park wrote:
i honestly love zion.. and wish nothing but the best.. starting next year. I need Ja morant badly to win ROY... i cash in big time.

just let Ja have this one!!


You are pretty safe unless Ja gets hurt. Zion is the best rookie, but there is no way Ja doesn't win with the games Zion missed


He isn’t safe at all. Zion is flat out better. And the Pelicans have the easiest schedule in the league post ASB.

Guess who has the most difficult? Memphis.

It’ll come down to “does the amount of games played matter and how much better does a player have to be to make up for it?”


Not the original poster but just saying:

They are 5.5 games back though which is a bit.

That's a fair bit. If Pels make playoffs Zion is a huge chance to win the award, if they don't he is 0 chance IMHO.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2229 » by J___Av » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:14 am

PockyCandy wrote:Well, it took 50 games, but we finally have entered the "TOXIC AND POINTLESS ARGUMENT ABOUT WHICH OF TWO ROOKIES IS BETTER" stage of this year's rookie thread. We will now see cherry-picked statistics and wild claims about both rookies and their respective teams. Having a mostly-civil rookie thread was fun while it lasted, I suppose.

If you all could avoid outright trolling, that would be nice. We don't want to have a repeat of the Simmons vs Mitchell debate of a couple of years ago.


There doesn't seem to be much debate about who is better. Most say its Zion pretty clear cut. The debate is about if games played should factor into Zion's chances against Ja. Most debates on forums are pointless. If you don't like these types of debates i have no clue why you would even be on a basketball forum
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2230 » by Dollop » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:08 am

However you think about ROY or who is better between Zion and Ja right now.....

I think it’s irrelevant. I just want to talk about Ja. He’s a true pg who goes out of his way to make everyone better. He’s a freak athlete with unreal vision. For all our talk about what Zion could became, he could make that shot great, get stronger and be a top 1-4 player the next decade. He could just get more seasoned and not improve skill wise or physically and he’s still a bonafide franchise player.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2231 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:18 am

Williamson is the first rookie in 35 years to record eight 20-point games in the first 10 games of his career.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2232 » by kan_t » Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:05 am

Dollop wrote:However you think about ROY or who is better between Zion and Ja right now.....

I think it’s irrelevant. I just want to talk about Ja. He’s a true pg who goes out of his way to make everyone better. He’s a freak athlete with unreal vision. For all our talk about what Zion could became, he could make that shot great, get stronger and be a top 1-4 player the next decade. He could just get more seasoned and not improve skill wise or physically and he’s still a bonafide franchise player.

Zion IMO is better but Ja is special at his own. There is no doubt about. I think people are too focus on who win the RoY and sometime lose the enjoyment of watching two truly special rookies.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2233 » by Whole Truth » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:28 am

J___Av wrote:
Dacost wrote:
Also JA only plays 25 minutes a game which hurts him big time when it comes to stats but it helps him get Ws.


So......you are just going to flat out lie eh? Ja plays 30 min a game which is 3 min more than Zion


He's going off my earlier point incorrectly. He probably meant to say Ja has a usage rate of 25% in comparison to Zion's 30%.

There's night's Ja could be putting up better individual numbers but he makes it a point to get his team-mates involved. He picks his spots as to when to take over a game, mostly in the 4th quarter where he has been clutch for Memphis.

The following tweet is how dominant Morant could be if he called his number more often upping his usage rate but it would probably work against the unselfish team game that currently has Memphis 8th seed.

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Endurance plays a factor with him being 160lbs soaking wet but if he attempted to force his game, up his 25% usage rate & play for himself more, where his team currently leads the league in assists, he'd look more dominant.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2234 » by Whole Truth » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:46 am

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Dollop wrote:However you think about ROY or who is better between Zion and Ja right now.....

I think it’s irrelevant. I just want to talk about Ja. He’s a true pg who goes out of his way to make everyone better. He’s a freak athlete with unreal vision. For all our talk about what Zion could became, he could make that shot great, get stronger and be a top 1-4 player the next decade. He could just get more seasoned and not improve skill wise or physically and he’s still a bonafide franchise player.

Zion IMO is better but Ja is special at his own. There is no doubt about. I think people are too focus on who win the RoY and sometime lose the enjoyment of watching two truly special rookies.


I'm not saying he is or isn't, I want to know why you think he's better, specifically?.

Zion has an allstar offensive talent in Ingram drawing defensive attention, he has one of the leagues best 2 way guards in Jrue. He has 2 guards that can pressure the point of attack, he has a 3pt specialist averaging 46% on volume & a playmaking PG in Ball. Where I've already had someone say they won't penalize Zion for being in an ideal situation for his game where a good portion of his production is out in transition off stops or as a lob target. How much of his game is he creating for himself? this was part of my point the other day posting Clarke going for 27 on 12-14 shooting against Portaland, he was just moving well without the ball & utilized his athleticism around the rim, same as Zion did when he put up his 31 but ask Clarke to create his offense, he wouldn't be nearly as effective.

Where as, Morant is not only creating his offense, he's quarterbacking the youngest team in the league to a playoff birth in his first season but instead of getting credit for his game management & leadership, posters are crediting his teammates while not penalizing Zion for having his team built to maximize his game. When In reality it's a testament to Ja's game management & leadership at a young age. He's not just creating for himself which he can do but for his team as well, where his teammates are now getting praise, after being predicted to finish last.

None of that impact from Morant, is going to show up on a core sheet. It's there with Memphis sitting 8th seed.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2235 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:35 pm

That’s what we’re going with huh, the Pels are making it easy for Zion

It’s so sad when people can’t just accept their prospect is good, even great, but maybe not the very best.


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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2236 » by Whole Truth » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:52 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:That’s what we’re going with huh, the Pels are making it easy for Zion

It’s so sad when people can’t just accept their prospect is good, even great, but maybe not the very best.


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Where in my post do I day he's not good or great?.

Stating that he's operating in an ideal setting with optimum spacing & playmaking, is a fact & factor. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Nobody is saying he isn't making the most of it.

Ask Clarke to lead this Memphis team, he wouldn't be anywhere close to his current efficiency & ranking.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2237 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:56 pm

Btw, Brandon Ingram hasn’t played in the last two games and zion went for 30+ both times


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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2238 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:57 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:That’s what we’re going with huh, the Pels are making it easy for Zion

It’s so sad when people can’t just accept their prospect is good, even great, but maybe not the very best.


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Where in my post do I day he's not good or great?.

Stating that he's operating in an ideal setting with optimum spacing & playmaking, is a fact & factor. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not.


Jrue Holiday, Lonzo Ball, Derrick Favors and Josh Hart is optimum spacing huh.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2239 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:02 pm

Not that it matters anyway, teams have resorted to just trying to camp the lane to stop Zion anyway, it just doesn’t work.


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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#2240 » by Whole Truth » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:03 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:Btw, Brandon Ingram hasn’t played in the last two games and zion went for 30+ both times


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