Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part I]

[Mamba Mentality]

If knicks could land Jimmy Butler and another high end role player (preferably a big/ pg)

Could see them making some noise and RJ winning ROY

Robinson/ Dedmon
Ja Green/ Dedmon/ Knox
Butler/ Barrett/ Knox
Barret/ Butler/ Trier
Cory Joseph/ DSJ/ Frank

Signing Butler, Cory Joseph, Jamychel Green and Dwayne Dedmon is attainable

so the knicks wasted a lottery pick on Knox so he could warm the bench?

[Lukeem]

If knicks could land Jimmy Butler and another high end role player (preferably a big/ pg)

Could see them making some noise and RJ winning ROY

Robinson/ Dedmon
Ja Green/ Dedmon/ Knox
Butler/ Barrett/ Knox
Barret/ Butler/ Trier
Cory Joseph/ DSJ/ Frank

Signing Butler, Cory Joseph, Jamychel Green and Dwayne Dedmon is attainable

so the knicks wasted a lottery pick on Knox so he could warm the bench?

Did just question the knicks wasting a lottery pick ? He’d be the back up 3 and could start 4 in that one random scenario though. Green more of a role player though

[duppyy]

Who will get the bigger overreaction if they don't play well on friday. Zion or Barrett?

[DiogoLandim]

Barret, Morant and Garland are high usage guys. My guess is that Zion will dominate advanced stats, but one or two of these guys will have better raw stats, specially since their team will likely lack any sources to generate offense.

[nikster]

Who will get the bigger overreaction if they don't play well on friday. Zion or Barrett?

Hard to say, Zions hyped more but people think RJ is flawed so could go either way

[Fat]

Who will get the bigger overreaction if they don't play well on friday. Zion or Barrett?

the #1 pick

[Chanel Bomber]

If knicks could land Jimmy Butler and another high end role player (preferably a big/ pg)

Could see them making some noise and RJ winning ROY

Robinson/ Dedmon
Ja Green/ Dedmon/ Knox
Butler/ Barrett/ Knox
Barret/ Butler/ Trier
Cory Joseph/ DSJ/ Frank

Signing Butler, Cory Joseph, Jamychel Green and Dwayne Dedmon is attainable

so the knicks wasted a lottery pick on Knox so he could warm the bench?

Knox was one of the worst players in the NBA last season. He wouldn’t see a lot of playing time on a team that’s trying to compete, which they would be if the Knicks signed Butler (referring to the scenario above). He’s a back-up PF/SF at best right now.

[Buzzard]

Zion already has the transcendent label. Just like with Luka, I think it is his to lose.

I think this class may be just as impactful as last years. That is high expectations, but the minutes are there for a lot of rookies to make a splash. I think the Hawks will possibly have two players on the all rookie team again; just like with Trae and Huerter. Its going to be another fun season!

[Johnny Firpo]

What's up with the title? Any chance Isaiah Roby could be a rotation player? I haven't seen him play at all.

[Stribor]

Zion is one in a decade. Only worry is if his body will be able to sustain his speed and weight without serious injuries. Other than that he is a sure shot as sure shot can be sure ... as shots... right

[TheGreenArrow]

Zion cause I just believe he's a transcendent type talent. But Cam Reddish will be actually healthy and show Duke fans what could've been if he were. He would have been taken before Barret after this upcoming season results, imo.

[Buzzard]

Zion cause I just believe he's a transcendent type talent. But Cam Reddish will be actually healthy and show Duke fans what could've been if he were. He would have been taken before Barret after this upcoming season results, imo.

Laugh all you want but these two stats should give some concern for Barrett over Reddish:

Barrett FT% .665, 3PT% .308
Reddish FT% .772, 3PT% .333

Barrett was hands down the best finisher; but if he cannot make a uncontested 12ft. shot there should be at least a little concern for his shooting ability....

[Duke4life831]

Zion cause I just believe he's a transcendent type talent. But Cam Reddish will be actually healthy and show Duke fans what could've been if he were. He would have been taken before Barret after this upcoming season results, imo.

Laugh all you want but these two stats should give some concern for Barrett over Reddish:

Barrett FT% .665, 3PT% .308
Reddish FT% .772, 3PT% .333

Barrett was hands down the best finisher; but if he cannot make a uncontested 12ft. shot there should be at least a little concern for his shooting ability....

Don't get me wrong when I say this, Im a Cam fan and Im hoping the dude kills it in the NBA. At one point before all of them picked what schools they were going to, Cam was the #1 recruit for a bit and I agreed with that ranking.

With that said, if you are betting on Cam's inconsistencies being because he was dealing with injuries and without that he would've gone
#2, you don't know Cam then. There was a reason Cam was #1 for a bit then fell. It was just Cam being Cam. Cam in high school was known for his unbelievably inconsistent play. In high school one week he would look like the #1 recruit, the next he wouldnt even look like a 4 star recruit. That is pretty much the Cam we saw at Duke. We would see a flash of Cam looking elite, then we would get 5-6 games where Cam didn't even look like a NBA prospect.

The thing that didnt prevent Cam from being a star at Duke wasn't an injury, his role (he actually had the best situation out of the 3 Duke stars) or any other thing like that. It was all in-between the ears. This was Cam's biggest question mark going into Duke and its still his biggest question mark today and why he dropped to 10th.

[Buzzard]

Laugh all you want but these two stats should give some concern for Barrett over Reddish:

Barrett FT% .665, 3PT% .308
Reddish FT% .772, 3PT% .333

Barrett was hands down the best finisher; but if he cannot make a uncontested 12ft. shot there should be at least a little concern for his shooting ability....

Don't get me wrong when I say this, Im a Cam fan and Im hoping the dude kills it in the NBA. At one point before all of them picked what schools they were going to, Cam was the #1 recruit for a bit and I agreed with that ranking.

With that said, if you are betting on Cam's inconsistencies being because he was dealing with injuries and without that he would've gone
#2, you don't know Cam then. There was a reason Cam was #1 for a bit then fell. It was just Cam being Cam. Cam in high school was known for his unbelievably inconsistent play. In high school one week he would look like the #1 recruit, the next he wouldnt even look like a 4 star recruit. That is pretty much the Cam we saw at Duke. We would see a flash of Cam looking elite, then we would get 5-6 games where Cam didn't even look like a NBA prospect.

The thing that didnt prevent Cam from being a star at Duke wasn't an injury, his role (he actually had the best situation out of the 3 Duke stars) or any other thing like that. It was all in-between the ears. This was Cam's biggest question mark going into Duke and its still his biggest question mark today and why he dropped to 10th.

I am looking at Cam's High School games logs for 2017/18 and the closest he came to disappearing was 15 points and 19 points. He did miss two games with zero minutes played but I don't agree that he had a problem as a High School Senior at all.

Link:
https://www.prepcircuit.com/roster_players/21934826

[Duke4life831]

Laugh all you want but these two stats should give some concern for Barrett over Reddish:

Barrett FT% .665, 3PT% .308
Reddish FT% .772, 3PT% .333

Barrett was hands down the best finisher; but if he cannot make a uncontested 12ft. shot there should be at least a little concern for his shooting ability....

Don't get me wrong when I say this, Im a Cam fan and Im hoping the dude kills it in the NBA. At one point before all of them picked what schools they were going to, Cam was the #1 recruit for a bit and I agreed with that ranking.

With that said, if you are betting on Cam's inconsistencies being because he was dealing with injuries and without that he would've gone
#2, you don't know Cam then. There was a reason Cam was #1 for a bit then fell. It was just Cam being Cam. Cam in high school was known for his unbelievably inconsistent play. In high school one week he would look like the #1 recruit, the next he wouldnt even look like a 4 star recruit. That is pretty much the Cam we saw at Duke. We would see a flash of Cam looking elite, then we would get 5-6 games where Cam didn't even look like a NBA prospect.

The thing that didnt prevent Cam from being a star at Duke wasn't an injury, his role (he actually had the best situation out of the 3 Duke stars) or any other thing like that. It was all in-between the ears. This was Cam's biggest question mark going into Duke and its still his biggest question mark today and why he dropped to 10th.

I am looking at Cam's High School games logs for 2017/18 and the closest he came to disappearing was 15 points and 19 points. He did miss two games but I don't agree that he had a problem as a High School Senior at all.

Link:
https://www.prepcircuit.com/roster_players/21934826

Sure, but you are looking at like 1/3 or 1/4 of what recruits look at when it comes to high school players. When Im talking about him as a high school player Im talking about all of it, like his horrible showing in the EYBL (40/28/76 shooting splits), his complete disappearance act for the USA team against Canada (the game RJ took over and won). Again Cam's biggest question marks exiting high school had nothing to do with his ability, almost everyone who watched him agreed he had top 3 ability in the class. It was always his motor and consistency. You can go back to the Draft threads and see all of us talking about this with Cam way before the Duke season ever started.

[Buzzard]

Don't get me wrong when I say this, Im a Cam fan and Im hoping the dude kills it in the NBA. At one point before all of them picked what schools they were going to, Cam was the #1 recruit for a bit and I agreed with that ranking.

With that said, if you are betting on Cam's inconsistencies being because he was dealing with injuries and without that he would've gone
#2, you don't know Cam then. There was a reason Cam was #1 for a bit then fell. It was just Cam being Cam. Cam in high school was known for his unbelievably inconsistent play. In high school one week he would look like the #1 recruit, the next he wouldnt even look like a 4 star recruit. That is pretty much the Cam we saw at Duke. We would see a flash of Cam looking elite, then we would get 5-6 games where Cam didn't even look like a NBA prospect.

The thing that didnt prevent Cam from being a star at Duke wasn't an injury, his role (he actually had the best situation out of the 3 Duke stars) or any other thing like that. It was all in-between the ears. This was Cam's biggest question mark going into Duke and its still his biggest question mark today and why he dropped to 10th.

I am looking at Cam's High School games logs for 2017/18 and the closest he came to disappearing was 15 points and 19 points. He did miss two games but I don't agree that he had a problem as a High School Senior at all.

Link:
https://www.prepcircuit.com/roster_players/21934826

Sure, but you are looking at like 1/3 or 1/4 of what recruits look at when it comes to high school players. When Im talking about him as a high school player Im talking about all of it, like his horrible showing in the EYBL (40/28/76 shooting splits), his complete disappearance act for the USA team against Canada (the game RJ took over and won). Again Cam's biggest question marks exiting high school had nothing to do with his ability, almost everyone who watched him agreed he had top 3 ability in the class. It was always his motor and consistency. You can go back to the Draft threads and see all of us talking about this with Cam way before the Duke season ever started.

If he was judged the way you say and his high school games really only counted for 1/3 of his ranking. I doubt he would have been ranked as a top five recruit. Maybe a top 20 at best. But that is my take and we just have to agree to disagree on this.

I know a lot is put into the Nike games but there have been more than a fair share of hyped up bust go through them. Nike certainly loves marketing them.

[clyde21]

Zion cause I just believe he's a transcendent type talent. But Cam Reddish will be actually healthy and show Duke fans what could've been if he were. He would have been taken before Barret after this upcoming season results, imo.

Laugh all you want but these two stats should give some concern for Barrett over Reddish:

Barrett FT% .665, 3PT% .308
Reddish FT% .772, 3PT% .333

Barrett was hands down the best finisher; but if he cannot make a uncontested 12ft. shot there should be at least a little concern for his shooting ability....

"let me use literally the only 2 stats that favor Cam over RJ to prove my point!"

[Duke4life831]

I am looking at Cam's High School games logs for 2017/18 and the closest he came to disappearing was 15 points and 19 points. He did miss two games but I don't agree that he had a problem as a High School Senior at all.

Link:
https://www.prepcircuit.com/roster_players/21934826

Sure, but you are looking at like 1/3 or 1/4 of what recruits look at when it comes to high school players. When Im talking about him as a high school player Im talking about all of it, like his horrible showing in the EYBL (40/28/76 shooting splits), his complete disappearance act for the USA team against Canada (the game RJ took over and won). Again Cam's biggest question marks exiting high school had nothing to do with his ability, almost everyone who watched him agreed he had top 3 ability in the class. It was always his motor and consistency. You can go back to the Draft threads and see all of us talking about this with Cam way before the Duke season ever started.

If he was judged the way you say and his high school games really only counted for 1/3 of his ranking. I doubt he would have been ranked as a top five recruit. Maybe a top 20 at best. But that is my take and we just have to agree to disagree on this.

I know a lot is put into the Nike games but there have been more than a fair share of hyped up bust go through them. Nike certainly loves marketing them.

This part isn't an if though, this is the reality of it. Normal high school basketball games aren't the main focus for recruiting. The primary focus for recruiting and judging recruits come during events like EYBL, Peach Jam, Adidas Gauntlet, All star game practice week (not the game), other big time AAU events, and international playa and practice. If their normal high school games were the main thing, guys like Semi Ojeleye would've been top 5 recruits. Don't get me wrong, when a guy plays for a big time school and play against other big time schools helps. But the vast majority of judging these guys comes at events when they play against other top tier prospects. The vast majority of normal high school games quality varies way too much.

And Cam was viewed as highly as he was because yes he had dominant performances in high school games, but on top of that he usually always showed out during practice weeks and his flashes of potential always showed, he still had good games in AAU events, he had good games with the US team. But again the inconsistencies always showed as well.

[Buzzard]

Laugh all you want but these two stats should give some concern for Barrett over Reddish:

Barrett FT% .665, 3PT% .308
Reddish FT% .772, 3PT% .333

Barrett was hands down the best finisher; but if he cannot make a uncontested 12ft. shot there should be at least a little concern for his shooting ability....

"let me use literally the only 2 stats that favor Cam over RJ to prove my point!"

Having a concern is just that. If you want it to be proof of something that is on your overly sensitive and defensive mentality. It probably comes with the territory of being a Knicks fan. So far so good; now us poor Knick fans just wait on it to blow up in our face. Examples, Alan Houston's death contract, Melo, and the Unicorn....

[clyde21]

Laugh all you want but these two stats should give some concern for Barrett over Reddish:

Barrett FT% .665, 3PT% .308
Reddish FT% .772, 3PT% .333

Barrett was hands down the best finisher; but if he cannot make a uncontested 12ft. shot there should be at least a little concern for his shooting ability....

"let me use literally the only 2 stats that favor Cam over RJ to prove my point!"

Having a concern is just that. If you want it to be proof of something that is on your overly sensitive and defensive mentality. It probably comes with the territory of being a Knicks fan. So far so good; now us poor Knick fans just wait on it to blow up in our face. Examples, Alan Houston's death contract, Melo, and the Unicorn....

i'm not a Knicks fan.