Are the Knicks really having a bad off-season?

[PhillyPhilly]

Does anyone actually feel sorry for them? I must admit, I do a little. We had our own "process" and it was a very painful experience despite knowing that it could lead us to a better place which it eventually did. But the Knicks have been bad for years and this year was meant to be the year when everything they've suffered for would be repaid in gold. But first they lose the Zion Lottory and then have to sit and watch their city rivals snatch up two guys they were heavily mooted to sign.

I don't know where they go from here but I just wanna give a shout out to their fans because as much as other teams fans are celebrating today, there's the other side of the coin and I know it so well.

[KingDavid]

I don't understand what the big fuss is about. You got rj this year, tank again and see who else you draft, evaluate your team and decide if you should make a push for contention or keep tanking and collecting assets. As long as they keep their picks and have a direction, it shouldn't be a problem.

I understand why they don't want to bet on kd after that wicked injury at his age. There will be other opportunities for them.

[t-time]

Much like my team they are toxic and free agents avoid them like the plague.

[Optms]

I don't understand what the big fuss is about. You got rj this year, tank again and see who else you draft, evaluate your team and decide if you should make a push for contention or keep tanking and collecting assets.

That is what the big fuss is about though.

Tank, keep collecting assets, see where the team is at and then everything blows up in their face. Rinse and repeat. I've been following the NBA since 2001 and have seen them go through this routine a million times already.

You suggesting they keep doing what they've been doing is depressing and I'm not even a Knicks fan. The only relief I could see them getting is if Dolan would sell the team. Anything short of that and its like going back to a broken marriage after work, with a wife who is screwing the neighbor and kids who want you dead.

[Darthlukey]

Does anyone actually feel sorry for them? I must admit, I do a little. We had our own "process" and it was a very painful experience despite knowing that it could lead us to a better place which it eventually did. But the Knicks have been bad for years and this year was meant to be the year when everything they've suffered for would be repaid in gold. But first they lose the Zion Lottory and then have to sit and watch their city rivals snatch up two guys they were heavily mooted to sign.

I don't know where they go from here but I just wanna give a shout out to their fans because as much as other teams fans are celebrating today, there's the other side of the coin and I know it so well.

Can't feel sorry for them until they get a new owner or at the very least he stops being actively involved in the team

[The_Hater]

I don't understand what the big fuss is about. You got rj this year, tank again and see who else you draft, evaluate your team and decide if you should make a push for contention or keep tanking and collecting assets. As long as they keep their picks and have a direction, it shouldn't be a problem.

I understand why they don't want to bet on kd after that wicked injury at his age. There will be other opportunities for them.

Good front offices always have a plan A which dosen’t usually work out. Then they move on the Plan B, Plan C. But the Knicks didn’t appear to have anything planned other than ‘sign KD, Kyrie or other superstar with cap space’. So once that didn’t work out, and they probably should have had an idea it wasn’t happening well in advance, Plan B appears to be to ‘waste all our cap space on a bunch of middling vets’

Plan B should have been to take back draft picks to help teams dump contacts (like Iggy) and sign vets to 1 year deals to reboot for 2020 and other rebuilding like moves Instead, they decided to give out 2-3 year contracts to a bunch of players who don’t move the needle so they’ve basically locked into a 20-25 win team for the next 2+ years. WTF? And this is the exact same thing that Phil did 3 years ago, for whatever reason this always seems to be the Knicks free-agent, contingency plan. They swing for the fences and then refuse to rebuild properly.

[JShuttlesworth]

I feel bad for fans of the Knicks. I don’t feel bad for the franchise.

Both the Knicks and the Lakers try to go about things the same way - through the media. They hype up their team in the news, tie themselves every key FA, and then they don’t land anyone. The entire premise is based the idea that, “everyone wants to play in New York”. Lakers do the same thing but seem to be more effective.

That’s a tough place to be if you’re a fan. Getting your hopes up every year only to be let down. Blame the media, guys like SAS who act like children talking about their Knicks.

The Knicks need to build up properly. No free agent is coming in to save them until they start actually trending in the right direction. They have RJ, they have their picks, time to start building that culture up. Knicks are in the best place they’ve been in a while.

[Middle Child]

I don’t feel bad. The organization is a joke. Period.

Could have had a young core of

Porzingis
Barrett
Knox
Trier
Robinson
Ntilikina
Dotson

Is that exciting? Meh not really but there was potential there.

But no they just had to microwave it up and go for the quick fix like they always do and they got burned again.

[KingDavid]

I don't understand what the big fuss is about. You got rj this year, tank again and see who else you draft, evaluate your team and decide if you should make a push for contention or keep tanking and collecting assets.

That is what the big fuss is about thought.

Tank, keep collecting assets, see where the team is at and then everything blows up in their face. Rinse and repeat. I've been following the NBA since 2001 and have seen them go through this routine a million times already.

You suggesting they keep doing what they've been doing is depressing and I'm not even a Knicks fan. The only relief I could see them getting is if Dolan would sell the team. Anything short of that and its like going back to a broken marriage after work, with a wife who is screwing the neighbor and kids who want you dead.

Wasn't RJ their highest draft pick since Ewing? I think they'll get some great players in the drafts going forward. What hurt them last time was gambling on Amar'e and his health and being impatient for Melo and getting rid of most of the good depth on the team in a trade for him instead of waiting for the off-season.

What else could they have done this off-season?

[KingDavid]

I don’t feel bad. The organization is a joke. Period.

Could have had a young core of

Porzingis
Barrett
Knox
Trier
Robinson
Ntilikina
Dotson
DSJ

Is that exciting? Meh not really but there was potential there.

But no they just had to microwave it up and go for the quick fix like they always do and they got burned again.

How could they have gotten dsj AND KP?

[Mich3006]

They have a direction and stayed in their lane (read: didn´t hand out ugly long term deals).
I don´t have any problems with the Knicks being bad the next two seasons.

They have a promising core with RJ, Robinson,... and Giannis (beside PG, Gobert, Beal,...) is free agent in 2021, that´s the year to pan out.

[Jellybeans]

I don’t feel bad. The organization is a joke. Period.

Could have had a young core of

Porzingis
Barrett
Knox
Trier
Robinson
Ntilikina
Dotson
DSJ

Is that exciting? Meh not really but there was potential there.

But no they just had to microwave it up and go for the quick fix like they always do and they got burned again.

How could they have gotten dsj AND KP?

Should take over Frank

[Gold Dragon]

So this is what Perry means when he says "build the right way".

Julius Randle 3Y/63M
Bobby Portis 2Y/31M
Reggie Bullock 2Y/21M
Taj Gibson 2Y/20M

I guess they are fairly short deals and they need to get to the minimum salary. It could be worse.

[Middle Child]

I don’t feel bad. The organization is a joke. Period.

Could have had a young core of

Porzingis
Barrett
Knox
Trier
Robinson
Ntilikina
Dotson
DSJ

Is that exciting? Meh not really but there was potential there.

But no they just had to microwave it up and go for the quick fix like they always do and they got burned again.

How could they have gotten dsj AND KP?

Didn’t mean to add him that’s probably why he’s last.

We could have also taken him or even Donovan Mitchell over Frank since they’re sour on him.

[Rockice_24]

I dont really see the need to laugh. This just further proves my point to Knicks fans I was trying to tell them. All their crap about "little brother" and "attendance" stuff in NY means nothing except to them. Nets are thought of as 1st class organization by the NBA players/agents/coaches etc. You know things that actually matter.

The Knicks are irrelevant and have been for a long time. This isnt saying the Nets have some Laker like history but knicks fans always want to thing they have that kind of clout when they don't.

Nets just dunked all over them in a city they thought they actually run because they have more fans. When two stars have the option to join the knicks or nets in NY and they choose BK, it says all you need to know.

[KingDavid]

I don't understand what the big fuss is about. You got rj this year, tank again and see who else you draft, evaluate your team and decide if you should make a push for contention or keep tanking and collecting assets. As long as they keep their picks and have a direction, it shouldn't be a problem.

I understand why they don't want to bet on kd after that wicked injury at his age. There will be other opportunities for them.

Good front offices always have a plan A which dosen’t usually work out. Then they move on the Plan B, Plan C. But the Knicks didn’t appear to have anything planned other than ‘sign KD, Kyrie or other superstar with cap space’. So once that didn’t work out, and they probably should have had an idea it wasn’t happening well in advance, Plan B appears to be to ‘waste all our cap space on a bunch of middling vets’

Plan B should have been to take back draft picks to help teams dump contacts (like Iggy) and sign vets to 1 year deals to reboot for 2020 and other rebuilding like moves Instead, they decided to give out 2-3 year contracts to a bunch of players who don’t move the needle so they’ve basically locked into a 20-25 win team for the next 2+ years. WTF? And this is the exact same thing that Phil did 3 years ago, for whatever reason this always seems to be the Knicks free-agent, contingency plan. They swing for the fences and then refuse to rebuild properly.

If the contracts they've signed players are for 2 years, then they're aiming for 2021 free agency. We did that and had everyone expire in 2010 so we could afford our big 3.

I think they'd have kd and Irving if kd never got that Achilles injury.

[phraoh]

Like most others, I feel badly for Knick fans. Their signings make no sense. Why sign 3 PF?

[The_Hater]

I don't understand what the big fuss is about. You got rj this year, tank again and see who else you draft, evaluate your team and decide if you should make a push for contention or keep tanking and collecting assets. As long as they keep their picks and have a direction, it shouldn't be a problem.

I understand why they don't want to bet on kd after that wicked injury at his age. There will be other opportunities for them.

Good front offices always have a plan A which dosen’t usually work out. Then they move on the Plan B, Plan C. But the Knicks didn’t appear to have anything planned other than ‘sign KD, Kyrie or other superstar with cap space’. So once that didn’t work out, and they probably should have had an idea it wasn’t happening well in advance, Plan B appears to be to ‘waste all our cap space on a bunch of middling vets’

Plan B should have been to take back draft picks to help teams dump contacts (like Iggy) and sign vets to 1 year deals to reboot for 2020 and other rebuilding like moves Instead, they decided to give out 2-3 year contracts to a bunch of players who don’t move the needle so they’ve basically locked into a 20-25 win team for the next 2+ years. WTF? And this is the exact same thing that Phil did 3 years ago, for whatever reason this always seems to be the Knicks free-agent, contingency plan. They swing for the fences and then refuse to rebuild properly.

If the contracts they've signed players are for 2 years, then they're aiming for 2021 free agency. We did that and had everyone expire in 2010 so we could afford our big 3.

I think they'd have kd and Irving if kd never got that Achilles injury.

That’s fair, except Randle is a 3 year deal and doing this uses up cap space for 2 years which could be used to add assets as a salary dumping ground. It’s pointless for a rebuilding team to throw good money at players who don’tmove the needle more and aren’t part of the team’s future. Plus by signing all those players right now, they’re getting involved in the market during most expensive day of free agency. Day 1. What exactly is the rush to overpay middling players?

[RakimAbdulJabar]

Good moves
1. Randle & Gibson deals
2. Missing out on KD at that price when he’s out all season and might not ever be even 70% of his former self
3. Moving the overrated often injured Porzingis

Bad moves
1. Portis deal
2. Choosing RJ in draft

Why should I feel sorry for them?

[lvckv]

I don't really care. The fans, sure.

RJ Barrett and Mitch Rob could be something. Maybe one of the other young guys too - not thrilled about them though they're all still really young.

No idea why they paid three power forwards. I get they don't want guys taking minutes from the youngsters but jeez just pay a backup PG or C instead of three of em lol...