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RipPizzaGuy wrote:

LewisnotMiller wrote:

RipPizzaGuy wrote:People follow such a herd mentality sometimes. Knicks actually assembled an okay team. Wont be great but much better than some of the east bottom dwellers.

I can only speak for myself, but my opinion on this has nothing to do with 'herd mentality'.
This team will be competitive which does put them above the lowest tier in the east I think. That doesn't mean I can see a clear plan moving forwards though.

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Robinson/Taj
Randle/Portis
Morris/Knox
Barrett/ellington/trier
Elfrid/DSJ

I wont be shocked if this team fights for the 8th seed I'm the east.

My questions are really around where you project Barrett and Knox, and who fits best with Robinson. If you rate DSJ, add him to the list.

So, I'd prefer this...

Robinson/Taj
Randle/Morris
Barrett/Knox
Ellington/Trier
Payton/DSJ

Take Randle out and add Portis if you like. I prefer Portis' fit offensively, but Randle is the far superior player, and his toughness is good.
Obviously this lineup has one less legit NBA player than yours, so I'm not saying it's more talented. But Barrett is a 3 to me, and Knox is a combo fwd. Having Knox in second units with Morris gives a good defensive cover/vet toughness. I'd worry if one ball is enough for Morris, Knox and Smith, so maybe start Smith, use Payton off the bench.

To be clear, Knicks shouldn't be tanking but they should be prioritising their young talent development.

I'm a big believer In breeding a winning culture. Winning 32 games and having the rooks play 25mpg is probably better for their development then playing 32mpg and winning 17 games again.

Long term the focus is DSJ/Barrett/Knox/Randle/Mitchell, but letting them go out with free reign and no vets allows them to develop bad habits.

None of the other guys are long term pieces. if they trade them for value at the deadline and in that time they help mentor the kids, it was a job well done.

RipPizzaGuy wrote:

LewisnotMiller wrote:

RipPizzaGuy wrote:People follow such a herd mentality sometimes. Knicks actually assembled an okay team. Wont be great but much better than some of the east bottom dwellers.

I can only speak for myself, but my opinion on this has nothing to do with 'herd mentality'.
This team will be competitive which does put them above the lowest tier in the east I think. That doesn't mean I can see a clear plan moving forwards though.

RipPizzaGuy wrote:
Robinson/Taj
Randle/Portis
Morris/Knox
Barrett/ellington/trier
Elfrid/DSJ

I wont be shocked if this team fights for the 8th seed I'm the east.

My questions are really around where you project Barrett and Knox, and who fits best with Robinson. If you rate DSJ, add him to the list.

So, I'd prefer this...

Robinson/Taj
Randle/Morris
Barrett/Knox
Ellington/Trier
Payton/DSJ

Take Randle out and add Portis if you like. I prefer Portis' fit offensively, but Randle is the far superior player, and his toughness is good.
Obviously this lineup has one less legit NBA player than yours, so I'm not saying it's more talented. But Barrett is a 3 to me, and Knox is a combo fwd. Having Knox in second units with Morris gives a good defensive cover/vet toughness. I'd worry if one ball is enough for Morris, Knox and Smith, so maybe start Smith, use Payton off the bench.

To be clear, Knicks shouldn't be tanking but they should be prioritising their young talent development.

I'm a big believer In breeding a winning culture. Winning 32 games and having the rooks play 25mpg is probably better for their development then playing 32mpg and winning 17 games again.

Long term the focus is DSJ/Barrett/Knox/Randle/Mitchell, but letting them go out with free reign and no vets allows them to develop bad habits.

None of the other guys are long term pieces. if they trade them for value at the deadline and in that time they help mentor the kids, it was a job well done.

LewisnotMiller wrote:

RipPizzaGuy wrote:

LewisnotMiller wrote:
I can only speak for myself, but my opinion on this has nothing to do with 'herd mentality'.
This team will be competitive which does put them above the lowest tier in the east I think. That doesn't mean I can see a clear plan moving forwards though.



My questions are really around where you project Barrett and Knox, and who fits best with Robinson. If you rate DSJ, add him to the list.

So, I'd prefer this...

Robinson/Taj
Randle/Morris
Barrett/Knox
Ellington/Trier
Payton/DSJ

Take Randle out and add Portis if you like. I prefer Portis' fit offensively, but Randle is the far superior player, and his toughness is good.
Obviously this lineup has one less legit NBA player than yours, so I'm not saying it's more talented. But Barrett is a 3 to me, and Knox is a combo fwd. Having Knox in second units with Morris gives a good defensive cover/vet toughness. I'd worry if one ball is enough for Morris, Knox and Smith, so maybe start Smith, use Payton off the bench.

To be clear, Knicks shouldn't be tanking but they should be prioritising their young talent development.

I'm a big believer In breeding a winning culture. Winning 32 games and having the rooks play 25mpg is probably better for their development then playing 32mpg and winning 17 games again.

Long term the focus is DSJ/Barrett/Knox/Randle/Mitchell, but letting them go out with free reign and no vets allows them to develop bad habits.

None of the other guys are long term pieces. if they trade them for value at the deadline and in that time they help mentor the kids, it was a job well done.

I totally agree.
My point is more around fitting them with the right pieces to learn good habits.

So Ellington? Great signing, in that he gives space to the floor you desperately need. Gibson is a pro, so as long as Robinson is earning minutes (and he seems a hard worker) then good. Randle ..well...you need a lead scorer, and he plays hard.

I worry that Portis...and to a lesser extent Morris, but he has pluses...are offensive chuckers who are going to do nothing but encourage the worst traits in Barrett (who lacks the handle to play as a 2 imho) and Knox.

Anyway, that's fine, it's all just opinion. But I do agree that winning culture is important. Both the Clips and the Nets have shown what versatile, hard working teams with upside in an attractive city can do.

FatboyRealPetty wrote:Dennis / payton / Ntilkina
Barret / Dotson/ trier / Ellington
Morris / Knox / bullock
Randle / portis / Iggy
Robinson / taj

This team is going to be dirty very dirty

Dupp wrote:Morris is a low character guy and the knicks are a low character organisation. No surprise here and no surprise why no player of note ever wants to play for the knicks

MrDollarBills wrote:

FatboyRealPetty wrote:Dennis / payton / Ntilkina
Barret / Dotson/ trier / Ellington
Morris / Knox / bullock
Randle / portis / Iggy
Robinson / taj

This team is going to be dirty very dirty

Yep, the lottery pick that roster produces will be pretty decent.

FatboyRealPetty wrote:Dennis / payton / Ntilkina
Barret / Dotson/ trier / Ellington
Morris / Knox / bullock
Randle / portis / Iggy
Robinson / taj

This team is going to be dirty very dirty

NYKHardKnock wrote:

MrDollarBills wrote:

FatboyRealPetty wrote:Dennis / payton / Ntilkina
Barret / Dotson/ trier / Ellington
Morris / Knox / bullock
Randle / portis / Iggy
Robinson / taj

This team is going to be dirty very dirty

Yep, the lottery pick that roster produces will be pretty decent.

Uhm, no. We added solid, experienced veteran help, something we haven’t had.

We have one of the deepest benches:
Payton—Ellington—Knox—Portis—Taj.

Starters:
Smith, Jr. — Barrett — Morris — Randle —Mitch

One borderline star in the starting lineup. A budding star in RJ. Defensive anchor in Mitch. Morris who is a bull that can do it all offensively. and DSJr who got rid of the hitch in his shot working in this off season; poised for a break through year.

We’ve provided our youth, with guys who are no nonsense. It’s nice to know Knox, Barrett, Zo won’t think they can just jack up shots. These vets will be on they ass, similar the DJ working with Mitch. That’s how you begin a winning culture. They might not he top heavy, but they remind me of last years Nets — a team that will surprise.

nzahir wrote:

infinite11285 wrote:Pop doesn’t deserve this. My guy should’ve retired.

He should also stop putting his nose in LAL business

Taking back Derozan, Jakob, and ONE late 1st for Kawhi was a joke on RC and Pop's front

BVB24 wrote:Jokes aside, total trash move by Morris to let the Spurs trade away a valuable role player to make room for him after he agreed, only to pull the rug out from under them last minute after the Free Agent pool dried up. He’s b****-made for that.