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Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:29 am
by freethedevil
MikeM wrote:Damn Presti is the GOAT GM. Takes one shrewd mastermind to get an anchor contract and two protected 1sts for a recent MVP. Not to mention the HAUL he got for the other 2 MVPs he had.

He should definitely consider keeping CP3 around though. I could definitely see him hitting it off immediately with an Xs and Os god like Billy Donovan. Another truly INSPIRED coaching hire by Presti, I might add.

You realize paul's contract will expire by the time they're ready to build a contender? :-?

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:38 am
by HotTubMike
Krazykiwi wrote:
Sulico wrote:
NBAFan93 wrote:
Even if you feel that way, you could look at this trade as two franchises doing what it takes to make their franchise superstar happy.

There are reports that Westbrook and Harden were on the phone as soon as the PG trade went down discussing how they could make this happen. Maybe OKC initially wanted CP3 to go to a third team and gave in on that to get the deal done before the start of the season so Russ would be happy. Maybe Houston gave one more future pick than they wanted so it would get done too.


I guess it makes a little bit sense to make your franchise player happy. But Houston was a contender for last two years, they were REALLY close to win it all, and now they trade for player that universally known as player that will never win a championship. If I were Houston fan I would be sad as hell as my dreams of winning it all just died with this trade.


Just when I thought it couldn’t get any worse...
Yeah you are so smart , Morey is the idiot who gave up 2-4 first round picks just to swap for a worse player . Rockets should really hire you replacing Morey.


Houston gave up 2 first round picks not 2-4.

CP3 turns 35 next season and has had many serious injuries. He is very close to being completely played out.

The Harden/CP3 Rockets really had 1 shot and that was in 2017/2018 when CP3 was still only 33 and CP3’s hammy gave out at the crucial moment (because of course)

Nobody in Houston had any illusions moving forward that the very old and injured CP3 was going to deliver the city a championship. Morey decided to be bold and make a move. I’m not in love with it there are many other stars that I think would make a better fit but hey at least we go for it.

RW is 30 and at this point is not worse than CP3

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:02 am
by Deivork
Fit might be getting overrated again. If Harden's happier, it was a move to make and it could work to a certain extent.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:03 am
by AussieCeltic
The year is 2026 and the OKC Thunder have obtained every lottery pick

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:32 am
by Nutty Nats Fan
teke184 wrote:
Best2EverDoIt wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:all usless picks
How are they useless?


Houston’s picks are likely to remain in the late 20s barring both Westbrook and Harden dropping off by 2024.

Those swaps are likely just so Presti feels nice because OKC will not finish with a better record than Houston anytime soon.

Houston could fall off much quicker than that, but even if OKC is still doing worse, those pick swaps can be used in trades. So they aren't useless.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:57 am
by Nuntius
RunOKC wrote:There's some real differing opinions in this thread :lol:

Fascinating


One thing I've learned from the T&T board:

If both fanbases are complaining then the trade is probably fair.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:57 am
by jpengland
Wow. That is horrible for Houston.

Westbrook is probably the single worst fit imaginable with Harden.

This won't end well.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:06 am
by Spanish_Laker
Not the best fit for Harden, but Westbrook at this point is light years better than CP3. The question is, where will CP3 land after he clears waivers?

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:17 am
by M2J
Win win trade


OKC improves their rebuild, and will get something for Paul. Even if it's some first rounder years and years down the line... Or I actually think the idea of getting Wiggins fits their situation. Even if it's not right now, Paul can be moved.


The exciting part is from Houston perspective. They match Westbrook with Harden and extend their window of competing for years to come, and both player's timelines match. With shooters, this can work. It's okay to have two ball hogs with no one else needing the ball. You can stagger minutes too. I feel if Dantoni can get Paul and Harden to work, this can too. Though Paul is a better shooter

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:25 am
by BallerTalk
CallMeKahn wrote:So, anyone still ranking the Rockets above the Jazz now?


Just about everyone.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:39 am
by iggymcfrack
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:Westbrook must’ve preferred Houston. They probably could’ve gotten more. CP3 is a negative in itself


Westbrook’s a worse player on a worse contract. If he’s worth more than 2 1st rounders and 2 pick swaps, Paul must be worth a king’s ransom. Presti RAPED the Rockets with this trade.


On what planet is CP3 better than Westbrook. Paul couldn’t take a fan in the crowd off the dribble, let alone anyone in the NBA. They’re on similar **** deals, the Rockets won by a mile. They got him for a discount because Westbrook probably wanted to be on a contender


Similar players on offense. Chris Paul’s miles better defensively. Chris Paul was #1 among all point guards in DRPM last season. 2 playoffs ago he was holding down KD despite a foot disadvantage in height. Westbrook ranked 32nd among PGs in DRPM last season.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:45 am
by Showdown
Bad trade for Houston and Westbrook , good deal for OKC. It's a bad fit because of their skills and their personality , for Westbrook it was much better to go to East , be top 3 seed and if he is lucky go to ECF and have competetive serie but now he and Harden need to fight to even make the PO and then it's not guaranteed that they will go past first or second round. Houston gave to much but pick aren't good so it's ok deal for OKC.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:53 am
by Nuntius
BallerTalk wrote:
CallMeKahn wrote:So, anyone still ranking the Rockets above the Jazz now?


Just about everyone.


Nah. I have the Jazz top 3 and the Rockets top 6. This hasn't changed.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:10 am
by Showdown
gst8 wrote:
Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Are they planning on going back to the SSOL offence that D'Antoni ran in Phoenix in terms of pushing pace? I guess it's possible if he grabs the rebounds and just goes. Otherwise, they could just give it to Harden, but man Westbrook isn't good off the ball, so....suspect fit imo.


Does Harden run? I actually haven’t watched enough to say he doesn’t but he doesn’t strike me as a guy that wants to play at that pace.


Harden is slow, that's why he don't play defense and can only play on half court setting.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:20 am
by iggymcfrack
BallerTalk wrote:
CallMeKahn wrote:So, anyone still ranking the Rockets above the Jazz now?


Just about everyone.


Not me, I’d say this trade drops Houston below Denver and Utah for odds to come out of the West. The only things Westbrook are better at are transition and running an offense.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:23 am
by xsatyr01
I don't think a combo of Westbrook and Harden can win a championship but they weren't going to win with CP3 being on a serious decline either. At the very least the Rockets should be entertaining to watch.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:29 am
by Showtime23
iggymcfrack wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
Westbrook’s a worse player on a worse contract. If he’s worth more than 2 1st rounders and 2 pick swaps, Paul must be worth a king’s ransom. Presti RAPED the Rockets with this trade.


On what planet is CP3 better than Westbrook. Paul couldn’t take a fan in the crowd off the dribble, let alone anyone in the NBA. They’re on similar **** deals, the Rockets won by a mile. They got him for a discount because Westbrook probably wanted to be on a contender


Similar players on offense. Chris Paul’s miles better defensively. Chris Paul was #1 among all point guards in DRPM last season. 2 playoffs ago he was holding down KD despite a foot disadvantage in height. Westbrook ranked 32nd among PGs in DRPM last season.


Ever heard of health, retirement? CP3 is at that stage where he is no longer relevant and will be doing farewell tour like Wade.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:31 am
by iggymcfrack
Showtime23 wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
On what planet is CP3 better than Westbrook. Paul couldn’t take a fan in the crowd off the dribble, let alone anyone in the NBA. They’re on similar **** deals, the Rockets won by a mile. They got him for a discount because Westbrook probably wanted to be on a contender


Similar players on offense. Chris Paul’s miles better defensively. Chris Paul was #1 among all point guards in DRPM last season. 2 playoffs ago he was holding down KD despite a foot disadvantage in height. Westbrook ranked 32nd among PGs in DRPM last season.


Ever heard of health, retirement? CP3 is at that stage where he is no longer relevant and will be doing farewell tour like Wade.


Paul’s game is based on skill, Westbrook’s is based on athleticism. Westbrook has been declining much faster the last couple years and is likely to continue to do so. Also, if both are ready for retirement in 2 or 3 years, at least you won’t owe Paul $47 million in 2023.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:34 am
by Mulhollanddrive
Westbrook 31% on 968 attempted two point jump shots.

Dantoni having nightmares.

Re: Woj - Westbrook traded to Houston for Chris Paul, 2024 & 2026 1st round picks, 2021/2025 pick swaps

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:42 am
by Gooner
This will re-energise the Rockets. Good move.