Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL?

Moderators: Domejandro, Prez, Dirk, zimpy27, Yuri Vaultin, PockyCandy, ken6199, bwgood77, BombsquadSammy

MagicBagley18
Veteran
Posts: 2,719
And1: 2,650
Joined: Feb 15, 2019
   

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#81 » by MagicBagley18 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:41 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:
MagicBagley18 wrote:the nba will never have true nfl style parity


You could have parity if you did things like remove max contracts and implement a hard cap. I doubt most fans or teams would want that though. The NFL forces parity because you literally cannot keep all your players every year. Eventually you have to start letting guys go. That coupled with the fact the NFL career lengths (other than QB and K/P) are so short.


oh no i agree and you are right but like you mentioned won't happen in the nba.
User avatar
Antinomy
Starter
Posts: 2,140
And1: 2,402
Joined: Mar 18, 2017
Contact:
 

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#82 » by Antinomy » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:42 pm

So many people are “experts” on the Bucks but don’t realize that they won 60 games last year with Thon Maker, John Henson, Tony Snell & Dellavedova as major rotation guys for half the season. Mirotic actually made them worse & was injured half the time on top of it.

Middleton actually played better when Brogdon wasn’t there. And Brogdon was easily our least important starter considering he missed the last month & a half of the season plus the first 2 rounds, yet we still made it to the ECF.

The 50/40/90 thing looks great on paper til you realize he had the lowest 3pt rate on the team for volume shooters besides Giannis. Only 4 3pt attempts per game. Slow release so he only shot the ball when he was WIDE open & couldn’t beat anyone off the dribble unless it was a hard closeout. I know every team is optimistic about their offseason moves but I’d be very wary of Brogdon being a major piece if I was an Indy fan. Bucks will fine without him.

Bucks added some vets & toughness this year which was greatly needed. It felt like we were lacking a guy who could go in there & muck things up.
jbk1234
Forum Mod - Cavs
Forum Mod - Cavs
Posts: 35,810
And1: 20,391
Joined: Dec 22, 2010
   

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#83 » by jbk1234 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:43 pm

The Bucks are the favorites but by no means the prohibitive favorites out East. At least not until Giannis develops a jump shot. If the best shooter on your team is 85 year old Brook Lopez, you're beatable.

Out West, I could see Denver beating the the Lakers but not the Clippers. I could see the Lakers beating the Clippers but losing to Denver. So it's really going to come down to who gets the favorable matchup IMO. I agree that the Jazz probably still don't have enough scoring. I think the Rockets took a step back with the Westbrook trade. We don't know what GS will look like yet. Is Klay back and healthy? Did they trade Russell for real wing help?
It is highly unlikely that the Cavs will agree with your Kevin Love evaluation for the purpose of a trade.
Da ThRONe
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,951
And1: 1,164
Joined: Sep 26, 2016
   

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#84 » by Da ThRONe » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:47 pm

Parity doesn't mean there won't be favorites. However there's a lot that could go wrong (non injury related) for Lakers, Clippers, and Bucks. Unlike the Warriors the past 3 years.
User avatar
LakerLegend
RealGM
Posts: 11,093
And1: 5,136
Joined: Jun 15, 2002
Location: SoCal

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#85 » by LakerLegend » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:51 pm

Official wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:
Official wrote:
Who is going to play more games next year Lebron or Leonard?


Well Kawhi played more in the playoffs this year so..


You did not answer the question.

For 2019-2020:

1) Is Kawhi Leonard going to play more regular season games than Lebron?

2) Hell, is Kawhi Leonard going to play more regular season games than AD?

Your question is irrelevant, the playoffs are what matter not the regular season. Not to mention given LeBrons age and games missed last year it’s no guarantee he plays more than Kawhi.
User avatar
Antinomy
Starter
Posts: 2,140
And1: 2,402
Joined: Mar 18, 2017
Contact:
 

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#86 » by Antinomy » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:53 pm

I also don’t understand how Philly is better than Milwaukee because MIL lost “key pieces” yet Philly lost Butler & Redick then replaced them with guys who don’t really fit.
lakerz12
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,816
And1: 4,767
Joined: Jan 29, 2006
Contact:
     

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#87 » by lakerz12 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:01 pm

LakerLegend wrote:
Official wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:
Well Kawhi played more in the playoffs this year so..


You did not answer the question.

For 2019-2020:

1) Is Kawhi Leonard going to play more regular season games than Lebron?

2) Hell, is Kawhi Leonard going to play more regular season games than AD?

Your question is irrelevant, the playoffs are what matter not the regular season. Not to mention given LeBrons age and games missed last year it’s no guarantee he plays more than Kawhi.


Playoff seeding does matter. Kawhi won't be able to coast to a 2 seed in the West.

If he sits 22 games they are more like a 4-6 seed and will face a tough first round opponent.
User avatar
Official
Starter
Posts: 2,477
And1: 54
Joined: Apr 14, 2009

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#88 » by Official » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:05 pm

LakerLegend wrote:Your question is irrelevant, the playoffs are what matter not the regular season. Not to mention given LeBrons age and games missed last year it’s no guarantee he plays more than Kawhi.


Nothing is guaranteed. But the odds are (combined) both Davis and Lebron will play more regular season games than Kawhi and George so they should have a higher seeding. As for playoffs, I'd take my chances with Lebron and AD - people forget about Lebron so easily. In the 2018 playoffs he averaged 34ppg, 9rpg, 7apg with a TS% of 62 and a 32PER with a garbage supporting cast. Kawhi averaged 31ppg, 9rpg, and 4apg with a TS% of 62, and a 28PER with an elite supporting cast (they'll win close to 50 games without him this year). AD will outplay PG all day in the playoffs - so that won't even be close. Statistically I bet AD and Lebron will be the best players in that series.
User avatar
LakerLegend
RealGM
Posts: 11,093
And1: 5,136
Joined: Jun 15, 2002
Location: SoCal

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#89 » by LakerLegend » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:13 pm

Official wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:Your question is irrelevant, the playoffs are what matter not the regular season. Not to mention given LeBrons age and games missed last year it’s no guarantee he plays more than Kawhi.


Nothing is guaranteed. But the odds are (combined) both Davis and Lebron will play more regular season games than Kawhi and George so they should have a higher seeding. As for playoffs, I'd take my chances with Lebron and AD - people forget about Lebron so easily. In the 2018 playoffs he averaged 34ppg, 9rpg, 7apg with a TS% of 62 and a 32PER with a garbage supporting cast. Kawhi averaged 31ppg, 9rpg, and 4apg with a TS% of 62, and a 28PER with an elite supporting cast (they'll win close to 50 games without him this year). AD will outplay PG all day in the playoffs - so that won't even be close. Statistically I bet AD and Lebron will be the best players in that series.


If this is a discussion about which roster is more durable than top to bottom the Lakers have a lot more questions than the Clips.
Maze
Junior
Posts: 335
And1: 256
Joined: Jan 20, 2018

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#90 » by Maze » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:15 pm

The Bucks? lol....There's like 9-10 teams in the league that could beat them in a playoff series.

7-8 in the West alone
User avatar
JustiseForMiami
Veteran
Posts: 2,592
And1: 5,380
Joined: Jul 02, 2015
       

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#91 » by JustiseForMiami » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:28 pm

Tyler F'n Herro
Read on Twitter

Wiltside wrote:Can confirm Tyler Herro is, indeed, a bucket.

Chalm Downs wrote:Me too cute
User avatar
Yuri Vaultin
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 18,182
And1: 8,742
Joined: Jun 24, 2006
Location: In a tree by your window.
     

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#92 » by Yuri Vaultin » Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:30 pm

I think Philly is better than all of them.

Heck, I think Denver, Houston and Utah are better than both LA teams. If Klay comes back so are the Warriors.
Image
Props to Turbo_Zone for the sig.
Showdown
Senior
Posts: 724
And1: 533
Joined: Feb 15, 2019

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#93 » by Showdown » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:19 pm

I agree that LA teams are clear favorites but not the Bucks, they are contenders because they have easier path to the Finals. Also think that media overrate GSW, Rockets and Nuggets, especially journalists from national media that have their podcasts and then a lot of hipsters spread their word on NBA twitter, Reddit and RealGM.
User avatar
LKN
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,878
And1: 4,440
Joined: Jun 04, 2018
       

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#94 » by LKN » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:27 pm

JimmyTheGreek wrote:MIL shouldn’t be on the list. They’re “fake” championship contenders. Only good during the regular season and they lost Mirotic & Brogdon.


They lost to the Raptors by an average of 1 ppg..... this is just idiocy.

Brogdon was hurt much of the year and Mirotic was bad in the playoffs and didn't make them any better.

Giannis is probably the best player in the league and has improved markedly every year.

People judging the Bucks completely based on one close playoff series where they lost to the champions are being dumb.

There's a good chance they would have beaten every single other team in the playoffs last year (other than maybe the Warriors with KD.. but the Bucks match up better with GS than Toronto did).
User avatar
LKN
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,878
And1: 4,440
Joined: Jun 04, 2018
       

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#95 » by LKN » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:31 pm

jbk1234 wrote:The Bucks are the favorites but by no means the prohibitive favorites out East. At least not until Giannis develops a jump shot. If the best shooter on your team is 85 year old Brook Lopez, you're beatable.

Out West, I could see Denver beating the the Lakers but not the Clippers. I could see the Lakers beating the Clippers but losing to Denver. So it's really going to come down to who gets the favorable matchup IMO. I agree that the Jazz probably still don't have enough scoring. I think the Rockets took a step back with the Westbrook trade. We don't know what GS will look like yet. Is Klay back and healthy? Did they trade Russell for real wing help?


Giannis does not need to shoot jumpers. This is one of the most common silly things that gets posted around here.

He needs to improve his passing/playmaking, maybe get more of a post game and be consistent shooting FTs. Giannis shooting jumpers is just dumb - he'll never be a good enough shooter to make defenders play up on him (and really - he'd have to shoot the mid range like MJ to make it worth it to not sag off him).
Warriorfan
RealGM
Posts: 11,255
And1: 1,462
Joined: Jun 24, 2001
         

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#96 » by Warriorfan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:38 pm

All teams are beatable. See 73 win Warriors. We have not seen this version of clippers or Lakers play. Mil is worse than last year and defense was done in playoffs to slow the freak.
agkagk
Senior
Posts: 504
And1: 346
Joined: Sep 03, 2011

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#97 » by agkagk » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:44 pm

Philly will be better than Milwaukee

Houston Utah pacers and Denver all look like potential “regular season champions”

If golden state is healthy, they’re one small piece away from being as good as anybody else (they just need a big defensive wing).
User avatar
Edrees
RealGM
Posts: 12,214
And1: 6,648
Joined: May 12, 2009
Contact:
         

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#98 » by Edrees » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:47 pm

Joerezz7 wrote:
Lawyershawn wrote:The disrespect towards Golden State.


It’s not disrespect. Without KD they are not better than Utah, Lakers, Clippers and Houston. They don’t have the roster to keep up with those teams. Steph is going to average 30-35 ppg with a bunch of losses. Allen Iverson,Mcgrady,Kobe and even Michael Jordan early in his career put up big scoring nights with a bunch of losses and Curry can’t even be mentioned in the same conversation with those players.
This isn’t the 73 win roster. This is the worse Warriors roster since 2014.
They will battle with the Spurs and Blazers for the 6th 7th and 8th seeds. They not in the same class as the top 4 West teams .


It's disrespect because those teams you mentioned haven't even played a single game with their new cores (except Utah) and you've already crowned them unquestionably better than GS. There's not a shred of a game data to support it and you're 100% sure GS has no shot at all to compete with these teams that are all ? marks who have uncertainty how they end up. It just seems like a wild take.

It's one thing to think GS has taken a step back and isn't the favorite but to go as far as to say they have no chance at all against newly formed teams is disrespectful. GS is still a contender even if they aren't as good as these new teams. Especially if Klay Thompson does come back early, they may not be the 73 win team, but with DLO added to the mix, their overall talent level isn't that much lower than what it was in that season.

If GS's exact roster from the 73 win team were cosntructed today, do you think they'd be contenders? I mean, they added DLO, lost Bogut, Barnes, half a season of Klay, Livingston and Iggy and that's the difference betwen 73 win teams and not even being a contender? I just don't see it.
KootenayRapFan
Sophomore
Posts: 119
And1: 136
Joined: Mar 05, 2017
 

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#99 » by KootenayRapFan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:51 pm

Tony Franciosa wrote:If Embiid is 100% and Simmons shows any signs of a jumpshot come playoff time, I love our chances against anyone.


Sixers are for real this year.
User avatar
Neutral 123
General Manager
Posts: 9,860
And1: 1,804
Joined: Nov 12, 2009
Location: Pandora

Re: Fake Parity: Who is beating LAL/LAC/MIL? 

Post#100 » by Neutral 123 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:12 pm

What would satisfy as parity?
.

Return to The General Board