If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism?

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Re: If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism? 

Post#22 » by JeepCSC » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:41 pm

KD would still get criticized for being soft going to a title-winning rival. But definitely Lebron would have gotten most of the hate for trying gild the lily. The 2017 Cavs would have been the most hated team ever, like if the Bad Boys and Heatles rolled into one.
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Re: If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism? 

Post#23 » by hongdayuan » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:42 pm

Baski wrote:
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hongdayuan wrote:No he won’t because that’s more rings for the king

Have you seen the AD saga? Lakers weren't even as good as the Cavs.
People were losing their mind that Kawhi might join the Lakers.
On what world do people live where LeBron doesn't get criticized?

The truth is that if KD joined the Cavs then LeBron would be getting more criticized than KD.

I think he means that because everyone is a LeBron stan, KD helping him to win more rings will never be criticized as much as directly preventing him from winning anymore.


Wouldn’t go as far as saying EVERYONE, but there is definitely more pro-lebron on this board. Thus KD will receive LESS criticism.
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Re: If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism? 

Post#24 » by Spanish_Laker » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:44 pm

He wouldn't join a team whose leader is his archrival and better player LeBron.
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Re: If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism? 

Post#25 » by Baski » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:48 pm

Come to think of it, lebron would take a lot of that heat. KD would be talked about like a 2-year old that Lebron lured to the Cavs with a piece of candy.
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Re: If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism? 

Post#26 » by Blacksheep25 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:53 pm

Each situation is unique. The original Warriors were created from a perfect storm situation. They created their own luck with brilliant draft selections of Klay, Draymond, and Curry. That’s completely to their credit and no one begrudged then their success. Most were impressed. The perfect storm came from the timing of Curry’s contract and early injuries and him being so vastly underpaid, and the other two being on great contracts.

That’s still to their credit as an organization. They built a championship caliber team and a historic team from their own drafting acumen and making the right choices. Their luck in contracts is what allowed for Durant. Adding him to that core just skewed everything so badly. It looked weak on everyone who was involved. A team just ran off 73 wins and need to add the second most gifted player in the world to the mix? So your question is impossible to answer. It depends. The Heat were hated, but they also had actual holes. Bad rebounding. Old ring chasers to shoot. Not a perfect fit. Not multiple guys in their absolute prime. Wade was only Wade for a year. The Warriors were just a perfect fit and all so young. So if the Cavs with Durant run over everyone, which is likely when you pair Lebron and Durant, plus an owner willing to pay $200 million in tax, yes it likely would have felt unfair and they’d be hated. It just depends how easy they win and if the average fan of a playoff team felt they had virtually no chance. If that happened, yes they’d be hated as badly.
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Re: If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism? 

Post#27 » by lolathon234 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:58 pm

If LeBron would have taken the heat for KD, then why didn’t Curry take it over Durant? Curry was the 2x reigning MVP and leader of the 73-win Warriors. He had 1 title and 2 Finals appearance in the past 2 years, same as LeBron. Are the Warriors no longer “the 73 win-juggernauts that blew a 3-1 lead” in this scenario? If they were so great and didn’t need Durant, then why would LeBrkn receive criticism in this scenario while Curry did not? Curry and his teammates actively recruited Durant immediately after losing in the finals, yet they receive no fault? Meanwhile Durant was simply a guy that blew a 3-1 lead in his first season back from a devastating foot injury that could have ended his career.
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Re: If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism? 

Post#28 » by clyde21 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:01 pm

Baski wrote:Come to think of it, lebron would take a lot of that heat. KD would be talked about like a 2-year old that Lebron lured to the Cavs with a piece of candy.


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Post#29 » by ZemGOAT » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:09 pm

So Free Agents aren't really free to make a choice
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Re: If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism? 

Post#30 » by Blacksheep25 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:27 pm

lolathon234 wrote:If LeBron would have taken the heat for KD, then why didn’t Curry take it over Durant? Curry was the 2x reigning MVP and leader of the 73-win Warriors. He had 1 title and 2 Finals appearance in the past 2 years, same as LeBron. Are the Warriors no longer “the 73 win-juggernauts that blew a 3-1 lead” in this scenario? If they were so great and didn’t need Durant, then why would LeBrkn receive criticism in this scenario while Curry did not? Curry and his teammates actively recruited Durant immediately after losing in the finals, yet they receive no fault? Meanwhile Durant was simply a guy that blew a 3-1 lead in his first season back from a devastating foot injury that could have ended his career.


Because after the first two finals, particularly the first one, it was glaringly obvious that It took all of Curry, Klay, Draymond(not to mention Iggy who is a hall of famer and Livingston still playing at a very high lever at that time) to collectively beat one Lebron with Delly as his second best player in six games. There was talk of who is the best player in the world during those regular seasons in 15 and 16. It became a stupid question once the playoffs started and everyone realized one Lebron=Curry+Klay+Draymond. He was simply that good. Curry is an all time great, but he wasn’t anything close to Lebron level. He’s limited. Lebron, at that time, wasn’t. He could do it all. Facilitate, score, rebound. Worth 3 all stars. Iggy and Livingston were necessary to not get beat by one man. That’s simply how good Lebron was at that time. Without Iggy and Livingston, he takes them down that first year by himself. Anyone can hate on him, but he was a complete force of nature at that point. Curry is a specialist. People have lower expectations. He isn’t the physical specimens Lebron is. No one has ever been outside maybe Wilt, where he felt like a player from the future playing against mortals.
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Re: If KD joined 57-25 win Cavs in 2016, would he got much less criticism? 

Post#31 » by Dupp » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:52 pm

Drygon wrote:
Wallace_Wallace wrote:Who knows the Cavaliers like to spend their money on Channing Frye, JR Smith and Tristan Thompson. Unless KD wants to take the MLE or the minimum, he wouldn't join the Cavs. If he did, people would laugh at him even more, taking a massive pay cut (close to 20+ million per year?) to be the side kick of LeBron and at the tier of Kyrie.


The cap spike happened in summer 2016 as well, every team could afford to sign Durant without giving him MLE or minimum lol.



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