CP3/John Wall Swap

[PushDaRock]

CP3 at 33 years old put up 56% TS. That's still more efficient than Wall has ever been.

[Rafael122]

If Wall gets back to 80-85% of himself, there will be a market for him in 2021. It's really interesting how the NBA media views Wall's contract. He tore his Achilles, devastating injury, no question about it. Durant tore his Achilles, is 2 years older than Wall, yet no one blinked an eye when they were like "oh Durant's getting the max." He just suffered the same injury, yet somehow his contract outlook is better than Wall's? Are their games different? Yes, but by the time Wall's contract ends, he'll be 32 whereas KD will be 34. I think the age thing is being overlooked. You know what the salary difference between the two is in 2021? Like $3.5 million. It's a little weird, but it is what it is.

Huh are you seriously trying to compare Wall and Durant - Wall whose game is entirely reliant on athleticism and Durant who is one of the greatest scorers of all time who barely even needs to jump to get his shot off?

There must be something in the water over there in Washington, the stuff that comes out of your fanbase is legendary.

I'm comparing injuries, not their style of play, which I have stated, like twice now, that it's different. Besides Nique, no one has ever come back from an Achilles tear. Gay, Matthews, Okur, etc, they were never the same. There have been shooters, bigs, players in between that have all suffered the injury. I just find it hard to believe that it's somehow a foregone conclusion that Durant will be the same guy when history isn't on his side, and neither on Wall for that matter and yet no mention of Durant's contract potentially being one of the worse in the NBA. Also note, I wouldn't take this stance if KD tore his knee. An Achilles injury is the worse injury any athlete could get.

[PushDaRock]

Right now, at this moment, Paul's contract is less awful than Wall's because Paul can still get on a basketball court and play 55 games this year. But the Wizards aren't worried about this year. They've already gone all-in on a tank-for-a-season plan.

If you fast forward to Summer 2020, Wall is arguably more valuable than Paul. Wall will be 29, healthy again at perhaps 85-90% of his former self. Paul will be 35, declining, and more fragile. The year after in Summer 2021 (the year that matters as that will be the year that Beal resigns or not), Wall will be 30 years old, 2.5 removed from his surgery with two years left on his deal. Paul will be a 36-year-old decrepit curmudgeon with still one more year left on his deal. I'd much rather have Wall at that point.

The bottom line is that I wouldn't even trade Wall straight up for Chris Paul and I sure as hell wouldn't include Hachimura or a future pick in the transaction. The only scenario where a straight up trade makes sense is if the Wizards cared a great deal about winning games this season. And they don't.

Games Played for Wall:

2017 - 2018 - 41

2018-2019 - 32

2019 - 2020 - 0

Mmhmm yes yes judging by this trend he is going to come back fully healthy and be an MVP candidate everyone will be dying to get.

Yeah, and the history of sub-6-foot 35-year-old PG's is really impressive.

Stockton was similar in size and was effective even at 40.

[TinoDubs]

CP3 needs to find a way to get traded to the Bucks for Bledsoe/Hill/Illyasova. They would be the favorites to win the east after that and CP3 would have the best chance to actually make it to the finals.

CP3 for Bledsoe/Hill/Illyasova. Houston could have done bro instead of loosing 2 1st and 2 swap picks. I think Houston called around but not that much options for CP3.

[VanWest82]

I like this deal and I like the Minny deal (for Wiggins). Both make sense for everyone involved. Presti probably prefers Wiggins because he's much younger and may (heh) still reach his potential.

[SAKURABA216]

CP3 needs to find a way to get traded to the Bucks for Bledsoe/Hill/Illyasova. They would be the favorites to win the east after that and CP3 would have the best chance to actually make it to the finals.

CP3 for Bledsoe/Hill/Illyasova. Houston could have done bro instead of loosing 2 1st and 2 swap picks. I think Houston called around but not that much options for CP3.

I think Houston would have preferred Westbrook over the Bucks pieces though. Bucks need an upgrade at PG as well as 3 point shooting especially now that Brogdon is gone and CP3 wants to win. CP3 gets a ton of hate, but at the end of the day he just wants to win and to make a deep playoff run. The problem is that I don't think his body will hold up.

[benson13]

I don't understand this trade for either side. If Washington is going full tank neither team is going to want to give up picks. Wall is younger, but he's on a longer deal.

I'm not even sure how much Chris Paul is worth as a trade chip to the Thunder. He's still an excellent point guard, but man is he making a ton of money, and his health is suspect.

[Jcool0]

CP3 at 33 years old put up 56% TS. That's still more efficient than Wall has ever been.

You left out he put up his worst stats since his rookie year.

[pcbothwel]

The big advantage Wall has is his age. He's 6 years younger than Paul. He's also about $9 million cheaper per year. You can tank and wait for him to return to form and either build around him or trade him when he builds his value back up. Wall and CJ Miles for Paul seems like a fair deal to me.

Wall is making 43 million a year with a 15% trade kicker as well and will have played just 73 games in the last 3 years after this season assuming he misses the entire year.

Paul is making 40 million a year and his contract runs a year shorter while also being the better and healthier player regardless of age.

You can subtract about $30M off of Wall's cost because insurance will pay that much of his salary. So now their net costs are much closer to equal. Basically, they're both 3-year contracts as far as the financial burden goes.

And calling Paul the better and healthier player regardless of age is dubious. Short point guards never age well. Paul declined pretty dramatically last season and can't even play 60 games anymore. This year, he'll be better than Wall because Wall won't play, but the following year, I seriously doubt he'll be better. And the year after that, I'm almost sure Wall will be better. I'll take 30-year-old Wall over 36-year-old Paul even after the Achilles injury. Wall will be 2.5 years removed from surgery at that point.

THHHIIISSSS
People. do you not understand that Wall will effectively cost the Wizards 8M this year, while CP3 cost 38.5M.

Does anyone actually think the Wizards would pay the additional 30M this year?
So then you get to 2020/21. Wall will be 29 and Fully healthy, while CP3 will be will be 35.

[Rainwater]

I don't understand this trade for either side. If Washington is going full tank neither team is going to want to give up picks. Wall is younger, but he's on a longer deal.

I'm not even sure how much Chris Paul is worth as a trade chip to the Thunder. He's still an excellent point guard, but man is he making a ton of money, and his health is suspect.

Yeah, i don't get it either why would either team do this, they are both rebuilding. They are both trying to collect assets. Typically with a trade this large rebuilding teams don't trade with one another. Typically it's a rebuilding and contending team.

[Biscayne Beast]

Wiggins for Cp3 is the best trade for both teams.
MIN: CP3 & Roberson
OKC: Wiggins & Teague (maybe a lottery protected 1st)

[ropjhk]

If Wall gets back to 80-85% of himself, there will be a market for him in 2021. It's really interesting how the NBA media views Wall's contract. He tore his Achilles, devastating injury, no question about it. Durant tore his Achilles, is 2 years older than Wall, yet no one blinked an eye when they were like "oh Durant's getting the max." He just suffered the same injury, yet somehow his contract outlook is better than Wall's? Are their games different? Yes, but by the time Wall's contract ends, he'll be 32 whereas KD will be 34. I think the age thing is being overlooked. You know what the salary difference between the two is in 2021? Like $3.5 million. It's a little weird, but it is what it is.

I think the difference is that Durant can pull up and shoot over everyone in the league while Wall relies on his speed. Brandon Jennings also tore his achilles while he was balling out for us for a stretch and was never the same.

I agree, their games are different but Durant is still facing the same uphill battle Wall is.

I don't think it's a matter where the perception of Wall isn't warranted, but I think KD is being given the benefit of the doubt when maybe he shouldn't. Count me amongst those who are skeptical that Durant can return strong enough to justify his contract with the Nets.

[Johnny Bball]

The wizards have to throw in pick? Lol, no. They don’t make that deal straight up ever.

Chris Paul May be the first untradebale player in a while after being moved for Westbrook. It would basically take contracts that are slightly worse players and shorter durations and picks. Think Lakers and mozgov etc. Not sure who has a contentration of those anymore. It would take many teams to get this done and likely can’t hapoen when every is capped out and could happen after the next regular season.