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Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 2:55 am**

Picked Beal
Nominate Klay

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 2:57 am**

Definitely agree with Holiday. Have put his name as a nomination for awhile now.

It would be tough between he and Kyrie for me. I think Kyrie is probably the better player...but at the end of the day I'd almost always want Jrue on my team instead.

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 3:55 am**

add DeMar DeRozan

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 3:56 am**

leolozon wrote:
Metallikid wrote:
Filthadelphia wrote:The Euro bias on this forum is nuts. The Siakam underrating on this forum is nuts.

Chris Paul hasn't even been nominated yet and he was chosen in the top 10 last year. People on this forum have no consistency or criteria by which they make their judgements it's all who's the flavour of the month.

Or maybe Chris Paul just had The worst year of his career and is going to be 34... why are you acting as if things don’t change from year to year?

If people voted Chris Paul top 10 again, then people would really have no criteria.

We vote for the best players in 2019-2020. Not who had the best body of work in the past.

He was coming back from an injury. His ppg went down 3 and his fg% went down .040. That's not enough for him to suddenly not even be considered in the top 25, since 15 people have already been voted in plus 10 nominations? Chris Paul is still a damn good player.

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 4:06 am**

I voted Kyrie. He's better than Vucevic. Probably.

Nominate VUCEVIC.

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 4:08 am**

Man, it really starts to flatten out the further down you go. You could nominate like 25 guys for the 25th spot. Maybe I exaggerate, but am I wrong?

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 4:13 am**

Nominate CP3

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 4:27 am**

So I guess we're saying Klay Thompson is out next year...

I'd nominate him for a 4th time. I'd have a hard time saying that Beal is better than Klay.

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 4:59 am**

I think you can declare Kyrie the winner here

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 5:15 am**

iggymcfrack wrote:
Hroz wrote:Is Aldridge the only (non injured) West All star not on here?

How are borderline east all stars getting chosen before a West All star

Did we forget DeRozan was a starter in the East last year and couldn't make the West team

Not to mention players who didn't make the West All star team are on here.

Aldridge is 34 years old and the Spurs were better with him on the bench than on the floor in both the regular season and postseason last year. He didn’t actually deserve to be an all-star.

If you are just looking at all-stars, Middleton (#9), Klay (#12), and D’Angelo Russell (#17) went higher in the all-star draft than Aldridge (#18) did. Seems like a pretty silly criterion to me though.

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TS% 57.6%
W/S .167

LaMarcus was the Spurs best player and they won more games than the teams of players listed in the West. And took the Nuggets to 7 games

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 6:02 am**

Kyrie, nominate Aldridge. Durant isn't even gonna make top 25, he is just stealing votes away from others.

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 6:05 am**

iggymcfrack wrote:
Hroz wrote:Is Aldridge the only (non injured) West All star not on here?

How are borderline east all stars getting chosen before a West All star

Did we forget DeRozan was a starter in the East last year and couldn't make the West team

Not to mention players who didn't make the West All star team are on here.

Aldridge is 34 years old and the Spurs were better with him on the bench than on the floor in both the regular season and postseason last year. He didn’t actually deserve to be an all-star.

If you are just looking at all-stars, Middleton (#9), Klay (#12), and D’Angelo Russell (#17) went higher in the all-star draft than Aldridge (#18) did. Seems like a pretty silly criterion to me though.

You said the same thing for DeRozan, now Spurs are better with Aldridge on the bench too, but hey still had a very good season, with 48 wins, almost taking out Denver. You really believe they could do something like that without both Aldridge and DeRozan?

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 6:40 am**

Vote: Kemba
Remove: Durant
Add: Jrue

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 7:29 am**

It seems that the real action is going to be in the next polls

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 9:57 am**

Voted for Irving.
Nominate Jrue, and suggesting replace Durant with Siakam.

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 12:30 pm**

iggymcfrack wrote:RPM by year:
2014: Blake +4.65 (15th), Lowry +4.25 (21st), Kyrie -1.40 (231st)
2015: Lowry +3.83 (26th), Kyrie +3.40 (38th), Blake +3.35 (40th)
2016: Lowry +6.82 (7th), Blake +2.07 (55th), Kyrie -0.60 (186th)
2017: Lowry +5.88 (10th), Blake +3.78 (22nd), Kyrie +2.05 (53rd)
2018: Lowry +5.18 (9th), Kyrie +2.39 (45th), Blake +2.11 (52nd)
2019: Lowry +4.65 (15th), Kyrie +4.23 (19th), Blake +3.01 (32nd)

Seems like a pretty long stretch of Lowry being better. His worst season beats all but one Blake season and all but one Kyrie season over the last 6 years. Also there’s this:

Regular season games and minutes played over that span:
Lowry- 429 games, 15,094 minutes
Kyrie- 398 games, 13,573 minutes
Blake- 376 games, 13,057 minutes

Playoff games played:
Lowry: 73 games played, 2 games missed (97.3% played)
Blake: 36 games played, 8 games missed (81.8% played)
Kyrie: 61 games played, 26 games missed (70.1% played)

Before Kyrie backers at least had the excuse of “he did it in the pressure cooker of the Finals”. Well now Lowry’s done the same thing. Put up 26/7/10 with 3 steals on 9/16 from the field and 4/7 from three in the decisive Game 6. How can you possibly still justify Kyrie over Lowry?

I remember a guy on another forum used stats to prove Keith Bogans was better than Kobe.

Granted, there is a much smaller gap between Kyrie and and Lowry and Kobe and Bogans, but it goes to show you how stats can be used to draw conclusions even more wild than the one you just did. You can cherry pick stats all you want, but this is just plain stupid.

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 12:38 pm**

SuperPawgHunter wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:RPM by year:
2014: Blake +4.65 (15th), Lowry +4.25 (21st), Kyrie -1.40 (231st)
2015: Lowry +3.83 (26th), Kyrie +3.40 (38th), Blake +3.35 (40th)
2016: Lowry +6.82 (7th), Blake +2.07 (55th), Kyrie -0.60 (186th)
2017: Lowry +5.88 (10th), Blake +3.78 (22nd), Kyrie +2.05 (53rd)
2018: Lowry +5.18 (9th), Kyrie +2.39 (45th), Blake +2.11 (52nd)
2019: Lowry +4.65 (15th), Kyrie +4.23 (19th), Blake +3.01 (32nd)

Seems like a pretty long stretch of Lowry being better. His worst season beats all but one Blake season and all but one Kyrie season over the last 6 years. Also there’s this:

Regular season games and minutes played over that span:
Lowry- 429 games, 15,094 minutes
Kyrie- 398 games, 13,573 minutes
Blake- 376 games, 13,057 minutes

Playoff games played:
Lowry: 73 games played, 2 games missed (97.3% played)
Blake: 36 games played, 8 games missed (81.8% played)
Kyrie: 61 games played, 26 games missed (70.1% played)

Before Kyrie backers at least had the excuse of “he did it in the pressure cooker of the Finals”. Well now Lowry’s done the same thing. Put up 26/7/10 with 3 steals on 9/16 from the field and 4/7 from three in the decisive Game 6. How can you possibly still justify Kyrie over Lowry?

I remember a guy on another forum used stats to prove Keith Bogans was better than Kobe.

Granted, there is a much smaller gap between Kyrie and and Lowry and Kobe and Bogans, but it goes to show you how stats can be used to draw conclusions even more wild than the one you just did. You can cherry pick stats all you want, but this is just plain stupid.

I’m not cherry picking stats though. RPM is literally the most reliable metric available since 2014. And Lowry doesn’t just beat Kyrie by a small amount for a year or two. He beats him every single season of the last 6, often by huge margins. He also as I showed has been much healthier and more durable. And he just led his team to a championship with a monster performance in the clinching game. What more could you want?

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 12:47 pm**

iggymcfrack wrote:
SuperPawgHunter wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:RPM by year:
2014: Blake +4.65 (15th), Lowry +4.25 (21st), Kyrie -1.40 (231st)
2015: Lowry +3.83 (26th), Kyrie +3.40 (38th), Blake +3.35 (40th)
2016: Lowry +6.82 (7th), Blake +2.07 (55th), Kyrie -0.60 (186th)
2017: Lowry +5.88 (10th), Blake +3.78 (22nd), Kyrie +2.05 (53rd)
2018: Lowry +5.18 (9th), Kyrie +2.39 (45th), Blake +2.11 (52nd)
2019: Lowry +4.65 (15th), Kyrie +4.23 (19th), Blake +3.01 (32nd)

Seems like a pretty long stretch of Lowry being better. His worst season beats all but one Blake season and all but one Kyrie season over the last 6 years. Also there’s this:

Regular season games and minutes played over that span:
Lowry- 429 games, 15,094 minutes
Kyrie- 398 games, 13,573 minutes
Blake- 376 games, 13,057 minutes

Playoff games played:
Lowry: 73 games played, 2 games missed (97.3% played)
Blake: 36 games played, 8 games missed (81.8% played)
Kyrie: 61 games played, 26 games missed (70.1% played)

Before Kyrie backers at least had the excuse of “he did it in the pressure cooker of the Finals”. Well now Lowry’s done the same thing. Put up 26/7/10 with 3 steals on 9/16 from the field and 4/7 from three in the decisive Game 6. How can you possibly still justify Kyrie over Lowry?

I remember a guy on another forum used stats to prove Keith Bogans was better than Kobe.

Granted, there is a much smaller gap between Kyrie and and Lowry and Kobe and Bogans, but it goes to show you how stats can be used to draw conclusions even more wild than the one you just did. You can cherry pick stats all you want, but this is just plain stupid.

I’m not cherry picking stats though. RPM is literally the most reliable metric available since 2014. And Lowry doesn’t just beat Kyrie by a small amount for a year or two. He beats him every single season of the last 6, often by huge margins. He also as I showed has been much healthier and more durable. And he just led his team to a championship with a monster performance in the clinching game. What more could you want?

Dude, Kyle Lowry is a career 14ppg game, on 42 percent shooting from the field.

I didn't even know that until I looked it up.

Dude, go take your damn medicine.

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 12:54 pm**

SuperPawgHunter wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
SuperPawgHunter wrote:
I remember a guy on another forum used stats to prove Keith Bogans was better than Kobe.

Granted, there is a much smaller gap between Kyrie and and Lowry and Kobe and Bogans, but it goes to show you how stats can be used to draw conclusions even more wild than the one you just did. You can cherry pick stats all you want, but this is just plain stupid.

I’m not cherry picking stats though. RPM is literally the most reliable metric available since 2014. And Lowry doesn’t just beat Kyrie by a small amount for a year or two. He beats him every single season of the last 6, often by huge margins. He also as I showed has been much healthier and more durable. And he just led his team to a championship with a monster performance in the clinching game. What more could you want?

Dude, Kyle Lowry is a career 14ppg game, on 42 percent shooting from the field.

I didn't even know that until I looked it up.

Dude, go take your damn medicine.

Travel agents, pay phones, and field goal percentage. All useful 30 years ago but now obsolete.

Posted: **Fri Aug 9, 2019 1:05 pm**

sixerswillrule wrote:
SuperPawgHunter wrote:
iggymcfrack wrote:
I’m not cherry picking stats though. RPM is literally the most reliable metric available since 2014. And Lowry doesn’t just beat Kyrie by a small amount for a year or two. He beats him every single season of the last 6, often by huge margins. He also as I showed has been much healthier and more durable. And he just led his team to a championship with a monster performance in the clinching game. What more could you want?

Dude, Kyle Lowry is a career 14ppg game, on 42 percent shooting from the field.

I didn't even know that until I looked it up.

Dude, go take your damn medicine.

Travel agents, pay phones, and field goal percentage. All useful 30 years ago but now obsolete.

So the stat that tells you how accurate a player is shooting the ball is obsolete? Do you know what obsolete means???

Trust me, I know where you calculator, advanced metric, pocket-protector nerds are going with this argument - but I just want you to consider you said field goal percentage is obsolete. Obsolete. O-B-S-O-L-E-T-E.

The Pelicans should make Lonzo Ball their no. 1 scoring option, 'cause FG% is obsolete. Accuracy doesn't matter. Just keep chucking it up there. Who cares if there are only so many possessions in a game, and it's smartest to let your most accurate shooters shoot the ball, to give yourself a great chance of scoring on those possessions.

I need to leave this forum. The level of stupid I've encountered on this forum in the short while I've been here, by far surpasses anything I've witnesses anywhere else. That's actually kind of scary.

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