Tomjas wrote: Pg81 wrote:
Misteclipse wrote:Doncic was an inefficient chucker last year. Ben is clearly the better, more efficient offensive player. Not even sure how that can be argued against. You may have a point when Luka actually shoots the three well and doesn't have terrible FG and TS percentages. But that sure wasn't last year. But but but the Raptors series. Call me when Doncic makes the playoffs and has half the series Ben had against the Nets where he completely embarrassed DLo defensively. Oh that's right, I forgot, casuals think defense doesn't matter.
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Ben was/is a third option, second at best, on a vastly superior team. He does not nearly get the same defensive attention Doncic got who was, especially after the big trade, the only real scoring threat on his team. Swap places and it is Doncic who will be far more efficient while Simmons would look like a "chucker". I am continuously amazed how little context matters to a large portion of posters here.
Context does matter
When Simmons first played in the NBA, it was with a team that had won 56 games in the previous 3 years and whose only proven player was J J Redick
The moment he stepped onto the floor with virtually unknown quantity Embiid
(he had played 28 NBA games and less than 150 in his life), tanking stopped as they were simply too good to lose consistently
Ended up making the 2nd round with a bunch of nobodies
Saris has since been moved twice, RoCo is RoCo while guys like Bellinelli & Ilyasova are allegedly on the outer with their new teams Luka started his NBA career with DeAndre Jordan and the Mavs were tanking from early on
Lol... Nice job trying to make Embiid and the Sixers roster look as bad as possible while making it sound like Deandre Jordan was still a great player last year. (By the way, Bellini and Ilyasova barely played that year.)
Oh yeah, and Dallas weren't tanking from early on. They were close to .500 and would probably have tried to make a push for the playoffs if they were in the East.
Embiid, Covington, Saric, Reddick and A. Johnson (best bench player) were a FAR better "supporting cast" in 2018 than Deandre, Barnes, DSJ, Matthews and Powell (best bench player) were in 2019. In what world are you living? VORP and RPM are both ranking them close to the same, with PHI having 5 of the 7 best "supporting" players.
VORP is ranking it :
RPM is ranking it (PHI 2018, DAL 2019) :
1- Covington 5.45
2- Embiid 5.10
3- Powell 2.31 (21.6 MPG)
4- Amir 1.78 (15.8 MPG)
5- Deandre 1.49
6- Reddick 0.55
7- Saric 0.33
8- Barnes -0.21
9- Matthews -0.55
10- DSJ -2.02
In fact, only 3 of the 17 guys Luka played with had a positif RPM: 2 guys played 21MPG (Powell, Kleiber) and 1 left before the all-star break (DeAndre). So just stop it trying to make it sound like Simmons dragged a bunch of nobody to the playoffs and Luka didn't have that bad of a team.
By the way, I think that Simmons has slightly the edge over Luka right now, but if Luka improves in any way in his 2nd year, he'll get the edge considering Simmons didn't get that much better in his 2nd season. And no PHI wouldn't make that trade, because they should go for the championship next year and the gamble isn't worth it.