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Luka was 4-16 from the field.
Simmons the guy who sucks on offense? 20 pts, 13 reb and 11 assists. Ho hum another triple double for the bum, lol.
Would 76ers swap Simmons for Doncic if they could?
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GeorgeMarcus wrote:moistnessfiscal wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
No, Embiid is better than both of them by a wide margin and you can't use the injury argument against Embiid when he and Kristaps have played roughly the same amount of games the last 3 seasons (177 total for Embiid with playoffs and 186 for Kristaps).
One duo has made the playoffs both seasons they've playe together and pushed the champs to 7, while the other duo hasn't even played a game together yet.
What about Doncic plus filler salary for Embiid? In a vacuum, with salaries considered
There is no world where the Sixers trade Embiid
What if Giannis demands a trade next season and all they want is Embiid in return, and by this point Simmons has a competent 3pt shot and shown the ability to move off-ball? Maybe Embiid breaks down physically and Philly trades him for parts a couple years down the road. Nobody saw kawhi leaving when he signed his second deal. There’s always a slight possibility, after all, it’s a business.
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Swish1906 wrote:IAMZOOTED2 wrote:Guys Luka leaks like a sivv on defense. Simons gives you a lock down, 1-5 switchable defender with good hands and feet
You're right! I stand corrected! Luka has the potential for dpoy...
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moistnessfiscal wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:moistnessfiscal wrote:
What about Doncic plus filler salary for Embiid? In a vacuum, with salaries considered
There is no world where the Sixers trade Embiid
What if Giannis demands a trade next season and all they want is Embiid in return, and by this point Simmons has a competent 3pt shot and shown the ability to move off-ball? Maybe Embiid breaks down physically and Philly trades him for parts a couple years down the road. Nobody saw kawhi leaving when he signed his second deal. There’s always a slight possibility, after all, it’s a business.
If Giannis demanded a trade the Bucks should not expect Embiid's value in return. That's when we send Simmons packing.
If Embiid gets hurt then other teams won't trade for him, because our willingness to trade him would mean a lot.
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Doncic is a better player, younger, and has far more upside, so no. How long are you going to play basketball and not be able to hit anything outside of the paint? A guy like that basically has no upside.
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NY 567 wrote:Doncic is a better player, younger, and has far more upside, so no. How long are you going to play basketball and not be able to hit anything outside of the paint? A guy like that basically has no upside.
Wait. Simmons, former rookie of the year, has no upside? Ok. This conversation is over. Talk to the hand
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GeorgeMarcus wrote:moistnessfiscal wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:
There is no world where the Sixers trade Embiid
What if Giannis demands a trade next season and all they want is Embiid in return, and by this point Simmons has a competent 3pt shot and shown the ability to move off-ball? Maybe Embiid breaks down physically and Philly trades him for parts a couple years down the road. Nobody saw kawhi leaving when he signed his second deal. There’s always a slight possibility, after all, it’s a business.
If Giannis demanded a trade the Bucks should not expect Embiid's value in return. That's when we send Simmons packing.
If Embiid gets hurt then other teams won't trade for him, because our willingness to trade him would mean a lot.
In the hypothetical I just proposed, Simmons has a competent three-pointer, and can move off-ball, doesn’t that make him on-par if not better than Embiid? Weren’t you quite high on Simmons yourself? The Bucks would still demand for Simmons but Philly would likely prefer to move Embiid then.
If Embiid gets hurt, some team is still going to take a flyer on him, I guarantee you that.
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IAMZOOTED2 wrote:NY 567 wrote:Doncic is a better player, younger, and has far more upside, so no. How long are you going to play basketball and not be able to hit anything outside of the paint? A guy like that basically has no upside.
Wait. Simmons, former rookie of the year, has no upside? Ok. This conversation is over. Talk to the hand
What does winning rookie of the year have to do with having upside? MCW won rookie of the year, how much upside did he have?
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IAMZOOTED2 wrote:Swish1906 wrote:IAMZOOTED2 wrote:Guys Luka leaks like a sivv on defense. Simons gives you a lock down, 1-5 switchable defender with good hands and feet
You're right! I stand corrected! Luka has the potential for dpoy...
So what? Neither Dirk, Barkley, Magic, Bird or Nash had potential for dpoy, yet many consider them top 10 or top 20 players of all time. DPOY means jack in terms of overall ability.
If you're asking me who the Mavs best player is, I'd say Luka. A guy like Delon Wright probably rivals his impact though at this stage in his career. KP may as well if he gets his **** together.
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NY 567 wrote:IAMZOOTED2 wrote:NY 567 wrote:Doncic is a better player, younger, and has far more upside, so no. How long are you going to play basketball and not be able to hit anything outside of the paint? A guy like that basically has no upside.
Wait. Simmons, former rookie of the year, has no upside? Ok. This conversation is over. Talk to the hand
What does winning rookie of the year have to do with having upside? MCW won rookie of the year, how much upside did he have?
His upside was pointing down.
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moistnessfiscal wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:moistnessfiscal wrote:
What if Giannis demands a trade next season and all they want is Embiid in return, and by this point Simmons has a competent 3pt shot and shown the ability to move off-ball? Maybe Embiid breaks down physically and Philly trades him for parts a couple years down the road. Nobody saw kawhi leaving when he signed his second deal. There’s always a slight possibility, after all, it’s a business.
If Giannis demanded a trade the Bucks should not expect Embiid's value in return. That's when we send Simmons packing.
If Embiid gets hurt then other teams won't trade for him, because our willingness to trade him would mean a lot.
In the hypothetical I just proposed, Simmons has a competent three-pointer, and can move off-ball, doesn’t that make him on-par if not better than Embiid? Weren’t you quite high on Simmons yourself? The Bucks would still demand for Simmons but Philly would likely prefer to move Embiid then.
If Embiid gets hurt, some team is still going to take a flyer on him, I guarantee you that.
High on Simmons relative to public opinion but surely not as high on him as Embiid. If healthy he will pass Moses, Dr J, Barkley and Iverson as the all time greatest Sixer. Unless you count Wilt in which case, he’ll be 2nd to Wilt.
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NY 567 wrote:IAMZOOTED2 wrote:NY 567 wrote:Doncic is a better player, younger, and has far more upside, so no. How long are you going to play basketball and not be able to hit anything outside of the paint? A guy like that basically has no upside.
Wait. Simmons, former rookie of the year, has no upside? Ok. This conversation is over. Talk to the hand
What does winning rookie of the year have to do with having upside? MCW won rookie of the year, how much upside did he have?
Shaq was hot garbage as well in '99
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JH5 wrote:NY 567 wrote:IAMZOOTED2 wrote:
Wait. Simmons, former rookie of the year, has no upside? Ok. This conversation is over. Talk to the hand
What does winning rookie of the year have to do with having upside? MCW won rookie of the year, how much upside did he have?
Shaq was hot garbage as well in '99
Shaq's lack of jumper didn't cause huge issues like it will for Ben.
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NY 567 wrote:IAMZOOTED2 wrote:NY 567 wrote:Doncic is a better player, younger, and has far more upside, so no. How long are you going to play basketball and not be able to hit anything outside of the paint? A guy like that basically has no upside.
Wait. Simmons, former rookie of the year, has no upside? Ok. This conversation is over. Talk to the hand
What does winning rookie of the year have to do with having upside? MCW won rookie of the year, how much upside did he have?
I was trying to imply that he is young and therefore still has upside. MCW is still in the league getting minutes. He ain't no Luka, but he is still doing work
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GeorgeMarcus wrote:moistnessfiscal wrote:GeorgeMarcus wrote:
If Giannis demanded a trade the Bucks should not expect Embiid's value in return. That's when we send Simmons packing.
If Embiid gets hurt then other teams won't trade for him, because our willingness to trade him would mean a lot.
In the hypothetical I just proposed, Simmons has a competent three-pointer, and can move off-ball, doesn’t that make him on-par if not better than Embiid? Weren’t you quite high on Simmons yourself? The Bucks would still demand for Simmons but Philly would likely prefer to move Embiid then.
If Embiid gets hurt, some team is still going to take a flyer on him, I guarantee you that.
High on Simmons relative to public opinion but surely not as high on him as Embiid. If healthy he will pass Moses, Dr J, Barkley and Iverson as the all time greatest Sixer. Unless you count Wilt in which case, he’ll be 2nd to Wilt.
Why omit Wilt? Never established this, but what does peak simmons look to you?
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Why do I keep seeing threads comparing Doncic to Simmons. It makes no sense. Neither team should do that. You don't how good either player will be. They do different things on the court.
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How many players in the history of the NBA have had more triple doubles in their 1st 2 seasons than Simmons?
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Cookin Baskets wrote:Why do I keep seeing threads comparing Doncic to Simmons. It makes no sense. Neither team should do that. You don't how good either player will be. They do different things on the court.
Mostly to crap on Simmons and rile up Sixers fans and tear down their precious process pieces
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