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Re: Sebastian Telfair has been sentenced to 3 and a half years in prison for gun possession 

Post#181 » by Ball so hard » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:35 am

karkinos wrote:
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karkinos wrote:literally couldn't pay him to get out of the hood mentality.


This is such an ignorant statement.


https://nypost.com/2019/08/12/ex-nba-player-sebastian-telfair-gets-over-3-years-on-weapons-charges/

1. responsible gun owners should know where their guns are 100% of the time. "i didn't know it was there" is never a good excuse. ever.
2. normal people don't move out of a house and put a gun in an ottoman.
3. "three loaded handguns, a submachine gun, ammunition, extended magazines and a ballistic vest during a search of his vehicle" extended magazines in a heavily gun restricted state is a HUGE no-no. reasonably informed gun owners should be hyperaware of what constitutes an extended magazine.
4. nba player bringing a gun in a pillow case on the team plane? like how many times do people have to tell this guy "no" when it comes to transportation with guns? he seriously has a problem with doing it legally in a responsible manner.

you can stamp it 'ignorant' all you want but there's a clear threshold for what it means to be a responsible citizen and he clearly does not meet that bar. for a political climate clamoring for stricter gun control, one would have expected more people applauding such a strict enforcement of the law.


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Post#182 » by karkinos » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:37 am

Ball so hard wrote:
karkinos wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:
This is such an ignorant statement.


https://nypost.com/2019/08/12/ex-nba-player-sebastian-telfair-gets-over-3-years-on-weapons-charges/

1. responsible gun owners should know where their guns are 100% of the time. "i didn't know it was there" is never a good excuse. ever.
2. normal people don't move out of a house and put a gun in an ottoman.
3. "three loaded handguns, a submachine gun, ammunition, extended magazines and a ballistic vest during a search of his vehicle" extended magazines in a heavily gun restricted state is a HUGE no-no. reasonably informed gun owners should be hyperaware of what constitutes an extended magazine.
4. nba player bringing a gun in a pillow case on the team plane? like how many times do people have to tell this guy "no" when it comes to transportation with guns? he seriously has a problem with doing it legally in a responsible manner.

you can stamp it 'ignorant' all you want but there's a clear threshold for what it means to be a responsible citizen and he clearly does not meet that bar. for a political climate clamoring for stricter gun control, one would have expected more people applauding such a strict enforcement of the law.


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acting like an ignorant human being
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Post#183 » by Context » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:51 am

karkinos wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:
karkinos wrote:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/12/ex-nba-player-sebastian-telfair-gets-over-3-years-on-weapons-charges/

1. responsible gun owners should know where their guns are 100% of the time. "i didn't know it was there" is never a good excuse. ever.
2. normal people don't move out of a house and put a gun in an ottoman.
3. "three loaded handguns, a submachine gun, ammunition, extended magazines and a ballistic vest during a search of his vehicle" extended magazines in a heavily gun restricted state is a HUGE no-no. reasonably informed gun owners should be hyperaware of what constitutes an extended magazine.
4. nba player bringing a gun in a pillow case on the team plane? like how many times do people have to tell this guy "no" when it comes to transportation with guns? he seriously has a problem with doing it legally in a responsible manner.

you can stamp it 'ignorant' all you want but there's a clear threshold for what it means to be a responsible citizen and he clearly does not meet that bar. for a political climate clamoring for stricter gun control, one would have expected more people applauding such a strict enforcement of the law.


Define "hood mentality"

acting like an ignorant human being

so i guess you can only find "human beings" that "act ignorant" in the hood?
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Re: Sebastian Telfair has been sentenced to 3 and a half years in prison for gun possession 

Post#184 » by karkinos » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:27 am

Context wrote:
karkinos wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:
Define "hood mentality"

acting like an ignorant human being

so i guess you can only find "human beings" that "act ignorant" in the hood?


no, but if you can only interpret things in the most literal context, then it's going to be painful to continue this conversation with you

i guess if i rephrased it to acting like a hoodlum, but then you'd want me to define what a hoodlum is, i'd really be back at square one anyways

transporting guns illegally in unusual fashion (ie. pillow cases and ottomans) and having been caught multiple times is clearly someone who exhibits poor judgement and lack of insight of consequences, either unintentionally or intentionally, with preference to prioritize a tangible or intangible short term gain or merely for the sake of convenience. this behavior is exactly what i expect of hoodlums, or in other words, someone who carries a hood mentality to be.
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Post#185 » by Context » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:36 am

karkinos wrote:
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karkinos wrote:acting like an ignorant human being

so i guess you can only find "human beings" that "act ignorant" in the hood?


no, but if you can only interpret things in the most literal context, then it's going to be painful to continue this conversation with you

i guess if i rephrased it to acting like a hoodlum, but then you'd want me to define what a hoodlum is, i'd really be back at square one anyways

transporting guns illegally in unusual fashion (ie. pillow cases and ottomans) and having been caught multiple times is clearly someone who exhibits poor judgement and lack of insight of consequences, either unintentionally or intentionally, with preference to prioritize a tangible or intangible short term gain or merely for the sake of convenience. this behavior is exactly what i expect of hoodlums, or in other words, someone who carries a hood mentality to be.

I dont like your tone in - your first little sentence and the last time I addressed "board ignorance" :lol: - the poster reported me...so I'll leave it here...
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Post#186 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:51 am

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I also think it is this same group that votes to put in an authoritarian govt. Busy defending an establishment that is doing said things, because they are pandered to saying anyone with different thought is less than human and is there sworn enemy. They are not at war with the govt but the other citizens. I am glad I visited some of these sites / shows. was really eye opening what some are actually thinking. Fox is lightweight compared.


Yes, that's the crazy part about it. The same people who think that they should have unlimited access to assault weapons are the same ones who are in support of authoritarian fascism.

I'm assuming you've had the displeasure of visiting 4chan or 8chan. I took a trip down that rabbit hole as well awhile back (way before the shootings) to see exactly what these people are thinking and they are absolutely vile, violent, and insane.


Yes that is what I did. figured I should see for myself. It was eye opening to how big a problem there is. I think Jones is more dangerous. He is actively painting one entire party and their voters as inspired by the devil. And staying they are starting a war etc. He riles people up susceptible.. I still cant tell if he is for real or just playing his role for the dollar. He is calling dems devil worshipers and their handlers off of this earth? WTF. He does also sound off on republicans who go against their cause 2A, or Trump. It's bizarre.


Jones admitted in court that it's all an act. He's a fraud. However, none of that matters to his lunatic followers. Infowars, 4chan, 8chan, Gab, Trump supporters etc is one big massive cult of white supremacist lunatics.

Anytime Jones talks about "globalists" he is talking about Jews. He's an antisemitic **** stirrer who is whipping up white supremacists into a frenzy. Not much different from Donald Trump. Both of them know full well what they are doing.

I applaud you though for having the courage to actually take a look and see what these sick people are about though. Reading that stuff on 4chan/8chan is not easy, those dudes are twisted to the core. They really want to kill people and establish a white ethnostate. The fact that the FBI appears to not be monitoring those sites or taking this threat seriously is highly disturbing.
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Re: Sebastian Telfair has been sentenced to 3 and a half years in prison for gun possession 

Post#187 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:58 am

Asianiac_24 wrote:Anyone bringing around an assault weapon especially in NY should be locked for 10+. 3 years is light.


I agree 100%. Toss them in the clink and keep them there. You have no business being in civilized society.

If the red states didn't have stores selling guns like they're candy blue states wouldn't have any problems with gun violence. Conservatives always point at Chicago, but they never want to talk about the fact that a lot of the guns that are flowing into that state are coming from Indiana.

Gun sales in all 50 states need to be highly regulated. You shouldn't be able to walk into a Walmart and by a weapon that can commit mass murder.
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Post#188 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:59 am

karkinos wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:
karkinos wrote:
https://nypost.com/2019/08/12/ex-nba-player-sebastian-telfair-gets-over-3-years-on-weapons-charges/

1. responsible gun owners should know where their guns are 100% of the time. "i didn't know it was there" is never a good excuse. ever.
2. normal people don't move out of a house and put a gun in an ottoman.
3. "three loaded handguns, a submachine gun, ammunition, extended magazines and a ballistic vest during a search of his vehicle" extended magazines in a heavily gun restricted state is a HUGE no-no. reasonably informed gun owners should be hyperaware of what constitutes an extended magazine.
4. nba player bringing a gun in a pillow case on the team plane? like how many times do people have to tell this guy "no" when it comes to transportation with guns? he seriously has a problem with doing it legally in a responsible manner.

you can stamp it 'ignorant' all you want but there's a clear threshold for what it means to be a responsible citizen and he clearly does not meet that bar. for a political climate clamoring for stricter gun control, one would have expected more people applauding such a strict enforcement of the law.


Define "hood mentality"

acting like an ignorant human being


welp, found the racist.
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Post#189 » by Ayt » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:21 am

I have no sympathy for irresponsible gun owners.
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Post#190 » by JHTruth » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:47 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:
If the US Military ever went rogue and turned on the populace at the behest of the government it doesn't matter how many guns are in circulations, the American populace would be toast.


And we wouldn't even see it coming. One of the many reasons why the pro-gun "self defense" argument has always been flatly ridiculous as even a premise.

Yeah that was cartoonish thinking. A country that has won World Wars is going to be afraid of civilians with guns?

How will guns protect you from Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear weapons? Kidnap the president or something like in the movies?[/quote]

Dude a bunch of illiterate goat herders have kept us bogged down in Afghanistan for over a decade with AK47$. The armed US citizenry would be the largest insurgency force in world history by orders of magnitude. The US military would be slaughtered
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Post#191 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:12 am

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And we wouldn't even see it coming. One of the many reasons why the pro-gun "self defense" argument has always been flatly ridiculous as even a premise.

Yeah that was cartoonish thinking. A country that has won World Wars is going to be afraid of civilians with guns?

How will guns protect you from Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear weapons? Kidnap the president or something like in the movies?


Dude a bunch of illiterate goat herders have kept us bogged down in Afghanistan for over a decade with AK47$. The armed US citizenry would be the largest insurgency force in world history by orders of magnitude. The US military would be slaughtered


You are a fool, and a racist one at that. If those "illiterate goat herders" have kept the USA at bay for over a decade, it is because of the Geneva conventions operating most likely as a deterrent for far more extreme actions....what do you think would REALLY happen to the US citizenry if the military literally TURNED on the US population at the behest of the US government (which is now being run by fascists that you, based on what I'm seeing from you, would most likely be in support of)?

Serious question...what would happen if the US Military, at the command of Donald Trump, started using tactical nukes against an insurgency in the United States? Do you think that your "assault weapon" would be of much use then? I highly doubt it.

I'm sitting here watching both the Chinese and Russians beat the hell out of and shoot dissidents within their midst in real time and you're under the belief that the soft and coddled citizens of the United States, would slaughter a **** ing military that has been groomed to butcher you?

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Post#192 » by Golden Knight » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:26 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
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Yeah that was cartoonish thinking. A country that has won World Wars is going to be afraid of civilians with guns?

How will guns protect you from Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear weapons? Kidnap the president or something like in the movies?


Dude a bunch of illiterate goat herders have kept us bogged down in Afghanistan for over a decade with AK47$. The armed US citizenry would be the largest insurgency force in world history by orders of magnitude. The US military would be slaughtered


You are a fool, and a racist one at that. If those "illiterate goat herders" have kept the USA at bay for over a decade, it is because of the Geneva conventions operating most likely as a deterrent for far more extreme actions....what do you think would REALLY happen to the US citizenry if the military literally TURNED on the US population at the behest of the US government (which is now being run by fascists that you, based on what I'm seeing from you, would most likely be in support of)?

Serious question...what would happen if the US Military, at the command of Donald Trump, started using tactical nukes against an insurgency in the United States? Do you think that your "assault weapon" would be of much use then? I highly doubt it.

I'm sitting here watching both the Chinese and Russians beat the hell out of and shoot dissidents within their midst in real time and you're under the belief that the soft and coddled citizens of the United States, who are currently under a fascist regime that, based on what I have seen of your political opinions, you are probably in full support of, would slaughter a **** ing military that has been groomed to butcher you?

seek help. you are not well.

Exactly.

They are HOLDING BACK.

They could easily nuke Afghanistan if they want to. They can't because of the Geneva Conventions and also because it could trigger a global war. Same with Vietnam - they could have used nuclear weapons but they can't because of the threat of the Soviet Union using nuclear weapons as well and the world would have ended right there.

If it's just the US Military vs armed citizens of the US in a no holds barred civil war with no rules, no outside interference...
this US 'insurgency' would be wiped out immediately.
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Post#193 » by 25centsandwich » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:54 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
JHTruth wrote:
Golden Knight wrote:

Yeah that was cartoonish thinking. A country that has won World Wars is going to be afraid of civilians with guns?

How will guns protect you from Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear weapons? Kidnap the president or something like in the movies?


Dude a bunch of illiterate goat herders have kept us bogged down in Afghanistan for over a decade with AK47$. The armed US citizenry would be the largest insurgency force in world history by orders of magnitude. The US military would be slaughtered


You are a fool, and a racist one at that. If those "illiterate goat herders" have kept the USA at bay for over a decade, it is because of the Geneva conventions operating most likely as a deterrent for far more extreme actions....what do you think would REALLY happen to the US citizenry if the military literally TURNED on the US population at the behest of the US government (which is now being run by fascists that you, based on what I'm seeing from you, would most likely be in support of)?

Serious question...what would happen if the US Military, at the command of Donald Trump, started using tactical nukes against an insurgency in the United States? Do you think that your "assault weapon" would be of much use then? I highly doubt it.

I'm sitting here watching both the Chinese and Russians beat the hell out of and shoot dissidents within their midst in real time and you're under the belief that the soft and coddled citizens of the United States, who are currently under a fascist regime that, based on what I have seen of your political opinions, you are probably in full support of, would slaughter a **** ing military that has been groomed to butcher you?

seek help. you are not well.


To add to this...there would never even be an armed conflict.

There are literally dozens of ways that the government could exert control without firing a single shot or activating a single soldier.

In regards to Telfair, if this was his first offense the sentence would be harsh. 2nd offense...yeah he's cooked.
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Post#194 » by Triples333 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:19 am

Kordic27 wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Idiotically harsh sentence. I personally believe banning concealed carry is unconstitutional PERIOD, registered or not. He should of been fined, not sentenced to 3.5 years. He had a loaded gun on the car seat, which is no doubt a crime... but people do this regularly without jail time. He didn't try to rob or harm anyone. Nothing happened. Unfortunately the emotional events recently are fueling politicians thirst to disarm the population and severely restrict guns. My guess is the extreme liberal policies seek to make examples out of people in places like NY and CA.

PS... the buzz word "Semi automatic firearm" is dumb as ****. It's similar to "assault rifle". It's broad, non specific and meant to trigger emotion with little substance. Pretty much every gun produced is "semi automatic". Even "assault rifles" which are treated as fully automatic "machine guns" are actually semi automatics. You pull the trigger each shot. "Why do civilians need similar guns to the military!!!?"... um well no ****. The whole premise of 2A is for America's citizens to be able to prevent tyranny from it's own government and be able to hold it in check in essence. If law enforcement/military severely outguns it's citizens, there are no longer checks and balances (we are already to that point in some ways).


Not a baiting question, but you seem a bit more thoughtful than most 2nd amendment pro gun people I talk to - what’s the pro gun thinking with regard to the fact that other countries with similar social norms (video games, music, social media etc) but harsher gun control, have unbelievably lower murder rates, and specifically gun crime and gun related deaths?
I ask because it does seem like the talking heads always blame something other than the guns, when it seems like the main difference between the USA and similar countries is the guns...

Have you looked these actual numbers up? I happened to delve into it last week (I can grab the links when I'm on my computer tomorrow, but they are extremely easy to find) and in fact if there was any trend in the relationship between guns per capita and a nations murder rate, it was inversely proportional. USA was an exception as having the most guns per capita, but a much higher murder rate than most 1st world nations. Particular Asian nations with both extremely low guns per capita and murder rates were another group of exceptions. But by and large, the nation's with the most guns per capita had extremely low murder rates, while a majority of those with the least guns per capita had extreme murder rates. I personally think there is an obsession with gun culture here that does feel unhealthy and is clearly unsafe when in the wrong hands, but I found the stats very interesting/telling. It was made abundantly clear that there was much more to it than this common mantra of simply more guns = more killing.

Also bears mentioning that in the USA gun deaths are caused (for the vast majority) by two factors:
#1) Suicide. And nearly all suicides by gun are via a handgun/revolver or shotgun. IE, guns that even under the strictest of firearm restrictions will not be removed. My solution to at least help remedy that issue (specifically for kids) is to impose significant fines + community service and possibly jail time if it was found out that the weapon was owned by somebody else and not properly secured. There needs to be more education in this area of gun management period.
#2) Gang violence. Gang murders are what drive up America's murder rate to be significantly higher than most 1st world nations (super easy to Google these numbers as well, but again I can grab them tomorrow). That, plain and simple, is the issue for everyone to attack head on if the goal is a lower murder rate.

The mass murders draw the big headlines and are a serious/scary issue of course, but they are a drop in the bucket when it comes to the reality of what needs to be addressed in the gun debate (IMO that starting with the education/increased penalties concerning proper/safe storage of your guns, thorough - non same day - background checks, and addressing the massive gang problems we still have). There are ~35-40 gun deaths (non suicide) every day in the US (that is 10,000 - 15,000 people every year for decades). And most of those are inner city killings. That's the state of the USA as it relates to gun violence.
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Post#195 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:54 pm

Triples333 wrote:
Kordic27 wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:Idiotically harsh sentence. I personally believe banning concealed carry is unconstitutional PERIOD, registered or not. He should of been fined, not sentenced to 3.5 years. He had a loaded gun on the car seat, which is no doubt a crime... but people do this regularly without jail time. He didn't try to rob or harm anyone. Nothing happened. Unfortunately the emotional events recently are fueling politicians thirst to disarm the population and severely restrict guns. My guess is the extreme liberal policies seek to make examples out of people in places like NY and CA.

PS... the buzz word "Semi automatic firearm" is dumb as ****. It's similar to "assault rifle". It's broad, non specific and meant to trigger emotion with little substance. Pretty much every gun produced is "semi automatic". Even "assault rifles" which are treated as fully automatic "machine guns" are actually semi automatics. You pull the trigger each shot. "Why do civilians need similar guns to the military!!!?"... um well no ****. The whole premise of 2A is for America's citizens to be able to prevent tyranny from it's own government and be able to hold it in check in essence. If law enforcement/military severely outguns it's citizens, there are no longer checks and balances (we are already to that point in some ways).


Not a baiting question, but you seem a bit more thoughtful than most 2nd amendment pro gun people I talk to - what’s the pro gun thinking with regard to the fact that other countries with similar social norms (video games, music, social media etc) but harsher gun control, have unbelievably lower murder rates, and specifically gun crime and gun related deaths?
I ask because it does seem like the talking heads always blame something other than the guns, when it seems like the main difference between the USA and similar countries is the guns...

Have you looked these actual numbers up? I happened to delve into it last week (I can grab the links when I'm on my computer tomorrow, but they are extremely easy to find) and in fact if there was any trend in the relationship between guns per capita and a nations murder rate, it was inversely proportional. USA was an exception as having the most guns per capita, but a much higher murder rate than most 1st world nations. Particular Asian nations with both extremely low guns per capita and murder rates were another group of exceptions. But by and large, the nation's with the most guns per capita had extremely low murder rates, while a majority of those with the least guns per capita had extreme murder rates. I personally think there is an obsession with gun culture here that does feel unhealthy and is clearly unsafe when in the wrong hands, but I found the stats very interesting/telling. It was made abundantly clear that there was much more to it than this common mantra of simply more guns = more killing.

Also bears mentioning that in the USA gun deaths are caused (for the vast majority) by two factors:
#1) Suicide. And nearly all suicides by gun are via a handgun/revolver or shotgun. IE, guns that even under the strictest of firearm restrictions will not be removed. My solution to at least help remedy that issue (specifically for kids) is to impose significant fines + community service and possibly jail time if it was found out that the weapon was owned by somebody else and not properly secured. There needs to be more education in this area of gun management period.
#2) Gang violence. Gang murders are what drive up America's murder rate to be significantly higher than most 1st world nations (super easy to Google these numbers as well, but again I can grab them tomorrow). That, plain and simple, is the issue for everyone to attack head on if the goal is a lower murder rate.

The mass murders draw the big headlines and are a serious/scary issue of course, but they are a drop in the bucket when it comes to the reality of what needs to be addressed in the gun debate (IMO that starting with the education/increased penalties concerning proper/safe storage of your guns, thorough - non same day - background checks, and addressing the massive gang problems we still have). There are ~35-40 gun deaths (non suicide) every day in the US (that is 10,000 - 15,000 people every year for decades). And most of those are inner city killings. That's the state of the USA as it relates to gun violence.


and a big issue that needs to be addressed in regards to that is how these guns are getting into the inner cities in the first place. I know that New Jersey is specifically tracking how many guns that are used in violent crimes came from outside of the state, last I read it was 80%.
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Post#196 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:01 pm

Golden Knight wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
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Dude a bunch of illiterate goat herders have kept us bogged down in Afghanistan for over a decade with AK47$. The armed US citizenry would be the largest insurgency force in world history by orders of magnitude. The US military would be slaughtered


You are a fool, and a racist one at that. If those "illiterate goat herders" have kept the USA at bay for over a decade, it is because of the Geneva conventions operating most likely as a deterrent for far more extreme actions....what do you think would REALLY happen to the US citizenry if the military literally TURNED on the US population at the behest of the US government (which is now being run by fascists that you, based on what I'm seeing from you, would most likely be in support of)?

Serious question...what would happen if the US Military, at the command of Donald Trump, started using tactical nukes against an insurgency in the United States? Do you think that your "assault weapon" would be of much use then? I highly doubt it.

I'm sitting here watching both the Chinese and Russians beat the hell out of and shoot dissidents within their midst in real time and you're under the belief that the soft and coddled citizens of the United States, who are currently under a fascist regime that, based on what I have seen of your political opinions, you are probably in full support of, would slaughter a **** ing military that has been groomed to butcher you?

seek help. you are not well.

Exactly.

They are HOLDING BACK.

They could easily nuke Afghanistan if they want to. They can't because of the Geneva Conventions and also because it could trigger a global war. Same with Vietnam - they could have used nuclear weapons but they can't because of the threat of the Soviet Union using nuclear weapons as well and the world would have ended right there.

If it's just the US Military vs armed citizens of the US in a no holds barred civil war with no rules, no outside interference...
this US 'insurgency' would be wiped out immediately.


Trump has been vaguely (to the dismay of any sane person watching this) hinting that he could easily end the conflict in Afghanistan right now but he doesn't want to "kill tens of millions of people". This is the quiet part being said out loud, yet I'm supposed to believe a "well regulated militia" of neckbeards and NRA loons are really going to go toe to toe with the world's most powerful military. :crazy:

Any insurgency would be crushed within hours. I remember last summer when Trump was at his golf course in Bedminster, NJ (which is a few mins away from me), a US fighter jet was roaring across the sky over my neighborhood. It was honestly one of the most unsettling things I have seen because I knew that if that jet wanted to it could have leveled my entire block within seconds.
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Re: Sebastian Telfair has been sentenced to 3 and a half years in prison for gun possession 

Post#197 » by Kordic27 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:02 pm

Triples333 wrote:Have you looked these actual numbers up? I happened to delve into it last week (I can grab the links when I'm on my computer tomorrow, but they are extremely easy to find) and in fact if there was any trend in the relationship between guns per capita and a nations murder rate, it was inversely proportional. USA was an exception as having the most guns per capita, but a much higher murder rate than most 1st world nations. Particular Asian nations with both extremely low guns per capita and murder rates were another group of exceptions. But by and large, the nation's with the most guns per capita had extremely low murder rates, while a majority of those with the least guns per capita had extreme murder rates. I personally think there is an obsession with gun culture here that does feel unhealthy and is clearly unsafe when in the wrong hands, but I found the stats very interesting/telling. It was made abundantly clear that there was much more to it than this common mantra of simply more guns = more killing.

Also bears mentioning that in the USA gun deaths are caused (for the vast majority) by two factors:
#1) Suicide. And nearly all suicides by gun are via a handgun/revolver or shotgun. IE, guns that even under the strictest of firearm restrictions will not be removed. My solution to at least help remedy that issue (specifically for kids) is to impose significant fines + community service and possibly jail time if it was found out that the weapon was owned by somebody else and not properly secured. There needs to be more education in this area of gun management period.
#2) Gang violence. Gang murders are what drive up America's murder rate to be significantly higher than most 1st world nations (super easy to Google these numbers as well, but again I can grab them tomorrow). That, plain and simple, is the issue for everyone to attack head on if the goal is a lower murder rate.

The mass murders draw the big headlines and are a serious/scary issue of course, but they are a drop in the bucket when it comes to the reality of what needs to be addressed in the gun debate (IMO that starting with the education/increased penalties concerning proper/safe storage of your guns, thorough - non same day - background checks, and addressing the massive gang problems we still have). There are ~35-40 gun deaths (non suicide) every day in the US (that is 10,000 - 15,000 people every year for decades). And most of those are inner city killings. That's the state of the USA as it relates to gun violence.


I tried looking up - lots of numbers skewed one way or another to support the POV of whoever was writing whatever article. But the one thing that my brain won’t let me let go of is that the USA, while obviously distinct in a lot of ways, is culturally and value-wise very similar to a lot of countries (Canada, uk, France, Germany, Japan, Australia, etc etc - 1st world countries). They (seem to) have a lot more gun ownership, and (seem to) have a lot more gun violence, despite having a lot of the same factors in play that people blame for gun issues. So I can’t help but think there’s a strong correlation.

I personally think that guns are extremely detrimental (even in suicides, psychologists will tell you that access to means has a massive affect on suicide rate), but I also think that it’s an ingrained part of US culture. It’s bad for you, and I think deep down everyone knows society would be safer with super strict regulations, but just like butter to the French, or beer to the Irish, it’s just not going away because your be better off without them.
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Re: Sebastian Telfair has been sentenced to 3 and a half years in prison for gun possession 

Post#198 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:08 pm

Drygon wrote:It's hard to believe that Telfair actually was viewed as the next big thing alongside with LeBron 17 years ago :lol:

At least they were half right.

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Re: Sebastian Telfair has been sentenced to 3 and a half years in prison for gun possession 

Post#200 » by Swish1906 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:30 pm

Triples333 wrote:
The mass murders draw the big headlines and are a serious/scary issue of course, but they are a drop in the bucket when it comes to the reality of what needs to be addressed in the gun debate (IMO that starting with the education/increased penalties concerning proper/safe storage of your guns, thorough - non same day - background checks, and addressing the massive gang problems we still have). There are ~35-40 gun deaths (non suicide) every day in the US (that is 10,000 - 15,000 people every year for decades). And most of those are inner city killings. That's the state of the USA as it relates to gun violence.


Bodycountwise maybe but the consequences of this frequent and rising mass murders are starting to dominate the lifes of everyone. These days a motorcycle backfire is enough to start a mass panic. Think of that. Scenes like on Times Square are going to be the new normal. So you can downplay mass shootings with pointing to the total numbers, you cant downplay how they affect everyones lifes 100x more than gun suicides or gang related murders. Mass panics, Kindergarten kids learning to run around when a shooter enters their room, so it takes him a few seconds more to blast them away, so the kids in the other room may live...is that freaking freedom? The stuff you claim needs to be defended so badly with guns.

Trevor Noah had a perfect quote the other day:

"....talking everyday about protection american freedoms. But if everyone in america is forced to live in world of perimeter fences, metal detectors and armed guards in every hall, then it will start to feel like society is living in a prison, and the only thing that’s free is the gun.“

Its actually great seven minutes about the entire issue "gun debate"

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