Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG?

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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#41 » by Knicks7Tape » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:22 am

KG probably has a stronger legacy. People will probably continue to talk about his notoriety for years. Dirk had a great career and won a chip but he probably won't be talked about as much.

Plus KG is still running from Antonio McDyess.
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Post#42 » by Metallikid » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:23 am

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Metallikid wrote:Dirk is the greatest foreign born player of all time and won his title as the far and away #1. KG needed two other all-stars in their prime to win. They both won MVPs.

Dirk takes it.

I think Olajuwon was the best foreign player ever


Agree to disagree. Just like I think LeBron is the GOAT because I don't believe you can compare the teams MJ faced in the Finals to the teams LBJ faced and there was illegal defence back then, so the same thing would apply here. Olajuwon is an all time player no doubt, but I would give Dirk the edge.
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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#43 » by Yinwest » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:34 am

JDR720 wrote:Dirk. He is arguably the greatest German athlete ever, and that is pretty legendary.

Really? There are a lot of legendary German athletes.
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Post#44 » by Cookin Baskets » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:49 am

Dirk stuck with one franchise that has to count for something. Through the good and the bad. Arguably Dirk should have won more titles. He was part of many great teams. He gave his whole career to Dallas, in comparison KG struggled to get past first round for years with Wolves and finally won a title with the original super team in Boston.
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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#45 » by Hroz » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:51 am

Metallikid wrote:Dirk is the greatest foreign born player of all time and won his title as the far and away #1. KG needed two other all-stars in their prime to win. They both won MVPs.

Dirk takes it.


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Post#46 » by Hroz » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:52 am

Metallikid wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:
Metallikid wrote:Dirk is the greatest foreign born player of all time and won his title as the far and away #1. KG needed two other all-stars in their prime to win. They both won MVPs.

Dirk takes it.

I think Olajuwon was the best foreign player ever


Agree to disagree. Just like I think LeBron is the GOAT because I don't believe you can compare the teams MJ faced in the Finals to the teams LBJ faced and there was illegal defence back then, so the same thing would apply here. Olajuwon is an all time player no doubt, but I would give Dirk the edge.


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Post#47 » by Teko » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:58 am

Knicks7Tape wrote:KG probably has a stronger legacy. People will probably continue to talk about his notoriety for years. Dirk had a great career and won a chip but he probably won't be talked about as much.

Plus KG is still running from Antonio McDyess.


I am sorry, but no one really talks about KG anymore.

Better player? That's a debate, depends what you value more on court.

Legendary? Dirk by FAR, 2011, best German ever, 21 seasons with one team, Mavs' only championship.
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Post#48 » by PKABOOICU » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:00 am

As much as I like Dirk, people are dismissing the pre-boston KG. He's one of the top 5 most versatile players the NBA has ever seen.
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Post#49 » by ThumbsUpBaby » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:01 am

While KG was the better player, Dirk's 2011 run propelled him to an even better legendary status. If we're talking about legacy, people will remember Dirk's run for a long, long time. And I reckon, he'll be even loved more than he was at the future when people talk about him to their children.
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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#50 » by traax » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:46 am

Yinwest wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Dirk. He is arguably the greatest German athlete ever, and that is pretty legendary.

Really? There are a lot of legendary German athletes.



Dirk has absolutely no case for being the goat german athlete. Making an argument for him would be disingenuous.

Steffi Graf is the greatest german athlete of all time and I dont thinks its close. You could probably make an argument for Schumacher or Weißflog too.
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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#51 » by Side beard » Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:50 am

Knicks7Tape wrote:KG probably has a stronger legacy. People will probably continue to talk about his notoriety for years. Dirk had a great career and won a chip but he probably won't be talked about as much.

Plus KG is still running from Antonio McDyess.

His only legacy is that he is an american that won a title in Boston. Also he is really strange and awkward person who, if he wasnt that good, was one step from being Lance of 2000s.


Dirk have changed the game for big guys way more than any other player. People will refer to Dirk with these 7 footers that can shoot lights out.

Not so many are talking about Chris Webber with a defense.
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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#52 » by Baski » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:33 am

Yinwest wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Dirk. He is arguably the greatest German athlete ever, and that is pretty legendary.

Really? There are a lot of legendary German athletes.

:lol: :lol: Seriously. The sheer number of football players alone.
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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#53 » by XxIronChainzxX » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:58 am

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Knicks7Tape wrote:KG probably has a stronger legacy. People will probably continue to talk about his notoriety for years. Dirk had a great career and won a chip but he probably won't be talked about as much.

Plus KG is still running from Antonio McDyess.

His only legacy is that he is an american that won a title in Boston. Also he is really strange and awkward person who, if he wasnt that good, was one step from being Lance of 2000s.


Dirk have changed the game for big guys way more than any other player. People will refer to Dirk with these 7 footers that can shoot lights out.

Not so many are talking about Chris Webber with a defense.


KG is a complete unicorn and would be even more of a monster in this day and age with his defense and his perimeter game as a big man. He's like a super Draymond Green. He'd easily be the best guy on multiple title teams.

Now don't get me wrong Dirk would absolutely be there too. I think his scoring would be even more fearsome today. And I've already said I think he's more legendary.

But you're really disrespecting KG.
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Post#54 » by audiosway » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:38 am

jamaalstar21 wrote:Arguably the greatest offensive power forward ever vs. arguably the greatest defensive power forward ever.

KG's doomed never-ending slog on awful Timberwolves teams ended by immediately winning a title as soon as he got shipped to a talented team. Screaming anything is possible, winning DPOY while captaining one of the greatest defenses ever. KG is the most versatile and ferocious front court player to ever play. Despite being a 20+ppg scorer most of his career, what made him special was his elite defense, incredible passing, solid shooting, elite rebounding. He did it all like almost no one else has.

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Dirk's 2011 mega alpha dog title where he took down every big boss the decade had in one legendary playoff run. Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Bosh, Gasol, Aldridge... all lay in ruin at the big german's feet. Regardless of that run, I feel like casual fans dont understand that Dirk is one of the greatest playoff performers of all-time. His humiliating loss to the we believe warriors makes people think that Dirk was soft and needed to toughen up, or needed to figure some stuff out. This guy was unstoppable in the playoffs pretty much every year. He went to the WCF as a 24 year old and went to the finals twice. His team was just never quite as good as Duncan's Spurs or Shaq's Lakers. He played in the West his whole career. It's not crazy to think that if Dallas was an Eastern Conference team, they might have played in 9 finals or something crazy like that. Dirk's playoff stats are insane. Look em up. I've even heard very convincing research that Dirk is a top 3 all-time playoff scorer (Ben from Thinking Basketball)

Pretty good layout of it. What people miss is that Dirk led that Mavs team that never truly had a 2nd star to the playoffs and 50 wins for 11 years straight. 3 WCF, 2 Finals appearances, and taking out all of those teams/superstars in the process of winning a title. Phil Jackson was only ever swept 1 time. 2011 by Dirk after winning back to back titles and being heavy favorites to come out of the West.

KG was a great defensive player but never could really lead those Minny teams to anything more than a 1st round sweep to...Dirk.

Dirk was simply unguardable. He was an average defender but very good rebounder and simply clutch. When the team needed points Dirk got them. He was able to drag some pretty average teams of role players to the playoffs time after time. KG did get his title. However, he needed Pierce, Rondo, and Ray Allen to do it. Dirk did it with Tyson Chandler, a 38 year old Kidd, and 34 year old Jason Terry as his best players. 6th all time scorer and redefining the position of a 4. The stretch big exists because of Dirk. That alone is enough to make him a legend bigger than KG.

KG was a great player and a legend himself. Tim Duncan was just a better version of him.
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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#55 » by VDT » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:41 am

I feel Garnett is getting a little overrated in realgm based on his advanced stats.

He was good or great in a lot of things but the fact that he was not very good go to guy is a pretty big flaw for a player of his caliber. In fact from the top 20 or so players he is probably the worst at it. And unless he plays in a stacked team like the Warriors it puts a hard cap on the team' s ceiling. And possibly a cap that advanced metrics cannot "see" if he plays within himself and focus on the things he does best. In a way similar, but not the same, to some roleplayers that have good advanced stats because they are good at what they are doing.

What i am trying to say is that his role on his team was not that of a typical lead player, he was more Pippen than Jordan and judging him based on his advanced stats tends to overrate him a bit i feel.
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Post#56 » by Pg81 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:47 am

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Yinwest wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Dirk. He is arguably the greatest German athlete ever, and that is pretty legendary.

Really? There are a lot of legendary German athletes.

:lol: :lol: Seriously. The sheer number of football players alone.


I was 9 years old when I was watching our national team win the championship and my father took me to the celebrations in Frankfurt a.M. I was a big fans of guys like Völler, Klinsmann, Hässler, etc. None of these compare to Dirk, German football was about team first and foremost. The only one who comes close in terms of public perception is Beckenbauer, and he is somewhat overrated at this point but what Dirk did to further the popularity, how a minor sport which had hardly any traction became a lot more popular in Germany, culminating in fans across the country staying up late night to root for him in 2006 and 2011 for the title, easily eclipses Beckenbauer, and I dare say that relative to the sport Dirk was better than Beckenbauer. By the way, in my opinion the best football player Germany has ever produced was Gerd Müller whom hardly anyone knows at this point apart hardcore fans.
As to Steffi Graf, tennis is far too different to draw conclusions, in tennis you only have to carry yourself, team sports you carry and get carried by your team. Dirk never had the opportunity to show what he can do if he had actually great talent in its prime. He never had a Stockton, a Pippen, a Wade, etc. as his right hand man on court. For most of his career he had Jason Terry who was not half the player these guys were who were stars/superstars in their own right.
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Post#57 » by Johnny Firpo » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:55 am

KidAmazin wrote:Dirk's 2011 run is so overrated, but it's constantly brought up so probably him. I still think KG is the better player tho.


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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#58 » by Tim Kempton » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:09 am

Dirk is more legendary. He was also the better player. Dirk was a pure winner with a lot of lousy supporting casts. KG struggled to make the playoffs and couldn't get out of the first round unless he was surrounded by all-stars. It's mind-boggling to see KG consistently voted as a top 10-15 player all-time on here.

However, if I need someone to not come through in the clutch and pick on a foreign born point guard, I would definitely take KG all day.
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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#59 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:13 am

saying Dirk won with lousy casts is hilarious. Just because Dirk did not play with superstars (he did play with Nash, who people forget or pretend was a scrub back then, he wasn't) he always had good players. Mark Cuban doesn't just let his team rot, he is a super aggressive owner.

KG's teams were way worse than Dirk's teams. And pretending that KG's career didn't exist after he left Minny is pretty unfair. KG was why the Celtics were dominant, not Pierce or Allen - they had the best rated defense of the modern era, do y'all think that was cause of 8 minutes of Tony Allen?


KG's best cast was in 2004 (and the only good player on his team got injured in the conference finals), and that was worse than many of Dirk's teams to put things in perspective. Kevin Garnett has never gotten upset in the playoffs either.

Saying that Dirk > Kg because Dirk beat KG in the playoffs is the same thing as saying the Mavericks = Timberwolves - in which case if you think that, you are an idiot.
Cookin Baskets wrote:Dirk stuck with one franchise that has to count for something. Through the good and the bad. Arguably Dirk should have won more titles. He was part of many great teams. He gave his whole career to Dallas, in comparison KG struggled to get past first round for years with Wolves and finally won a title with the original super team in Boston.


KG was traded...he never wanted to leave Minny.
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Re: Who's a more "legendary" player, Dirk or KG? 

Post#60 » by picc » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:14 am

According to the poll Dirks shooting a fadeaway over kg's outstretched arms, and its all net.

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