RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#21 2019-20

[SlowPaced]

Voted Oladipo last round, but I've been convinced to take his injury into account in a bigger way.

Vote: Holiday
Nominate: McCollum

[iggymcfrack]

KD and Dipo both on the list.

Klay just hasn't got nominated in.

Which bothers me because he's better than everyone up there other than KD, Oladipo and probably Holiday. After watching Klay play great in the playoffs, play solid defense against Kawhi, it's inexplicable disrespect for him to be left off so far.

I think OP messed up on this one. The selection standard for KD and Klay are totally different.

Klay - due to his large unavailability in the 19-20 season, he has to start and go through the nomination process (which he has no chance of breaking out due to his unavailability).

KD - despite of his *total* unavailability, he occupies a spot in top 10 from poll #1 and it stays that way.

I understand KD is a sure fire top 10 when healthy but still it doesn't justify the different treatment of these two players. It looks like OP started the poll with a "when healthy" top 10 list, and treat the rest of the players on a "19-20 season only" basis, then he decided to stick with this mistake till the end.

He started with the 10 people most likely to be voted top 10. KD was on that list due to the widely varying opinions on his injury even if a lot of people would have him outside the top 50 as well. Klay hasn’t been nominated because he wasn’t a top 20 player when healthy AND he has a major injury. Oladipo’s also going to miss significant time with injury, but he made it through the nomination process because he’s a better player when healthy, is likely to return sooner, and is likely to be closer to 100% when he does return.

[Hroz]

Nominate Fox

Fell in love with this kids game but in all honesty probably not his time yet

[ken6199]

Which bothers me because he's better than everyone up there other than KD, Oladipo and probably Holiday. After watching Klay play great in the playoffs, play solid defense against Kawhi, it's inexplicable disrespect for him to be left off so far.

I think OP messed up on this one. The selection standard for KD and Klay are totally different.

Klay - due to his large unavailability in the 19-20 season, he has to start and go through the nomination process (which he has no chance of breaking out due to his unavailability).

KD - despite of his *total* unavailability, he occupies a spot in top 10 from poll #1 and it stays that way.

I understand KD is a sure fire top 10 when healthy but still it doesn't justify the different treatment of these two players. It looks like OP started the poll with a "when healthy" top 10 list, and treat the rest of the players on a "19-20 season only" basis, then he decided to stick with this mistake till the end.

He started with the 10 people most likely to be voted top 10. KD was on that list due to the widely varying opinions on his injury even if a lot of people would have him outside the top 50 as well. Klay hasn’t been nominated because he wasn’t a top 20 player when healthy AND he has a major injury. Oladipo’s also going to miss significant time with injury, but he made it through the nomination process because he’s a better player when healthy, is likely to return sooner, and is likely to be closer to 100% when he does return.

Agree with the return sooner part, but not the other two. I am not familiar with quad tendon recovery, but players get back to 100% from an ACL injury more often than not.

[Yallbecrazy]

lol @ Jrue holding a candle to Lowry. I want to know what non Pelican fans/ non LA hometown people are smoking when they think he is better than Lowry. What possible justification could you have for voting for Jrue over Lowry?

[iggymcfrack]

I think OP messed up on this one. The selection standard for KD and Klay are totally different.

Klay - due to his large unavailability in the 19-20 season, he has to start and go through the nomination process (which he has no chance of breaking out due to his unavailability).

KD - despite of his *total* unavailability, he occupies a spot in top 10 from poll #1 and it stays that way.

I understand KD is a sure fire top 10 when healthy but still it doesn't justify the different treatment of these two players. It looks like OP started the poll with a "when healthy" top 10 list, and treat the rest of the players on a "19-20 season only" basis, then he decided to stick with this mistake till the end.

He started with the 10 people most likely to be voted top 10. KD was on that list due to the widely varying opinions on his injury even if a lot of people would have him outside the top 50 as well. Klay hasn’t been nominated because he wasn’t a top 20 player when healthy AND he has a major injury. Oladipo’s also going to miss significant time with injury, but he made it through the nomination process because he’s a better player when healthy, is likely to return sooner, and is likely to be closer to 100% when he does return.

Agree with the return sooner part, but not the other two. I am not familiar with quad tendon recovery, but players get back to 100% from an ACL injury more often than not.

Players with ACL injuries may make full recoveries eventually but they are usually nowhere near 100% their first year back. It’s definitely one of the slower injuries to recover from.

[iggymcfrack]

lol @ Jrue holding a candle to Lowry. I want to know what non Pelican fans/ non LA hometown people are smoking when they think he is better than Lowry. What possible justification could you have for voting for Jrue over Lowry?

That Lowry’s 33 and declining and Jrue was almost as good last year? They both would have gone several spots ago if it was up to me, but it seems weird that you would be low on one and high on the other. They’re both elite defenders who consistently rank high in impact stats and do more than their numbers. I mean obviously Lowry was better last season, but I think it’s fair to project a little decline at this age when he was already having a hard time keeping it going through the regular season.

[Soulyss]

Jrue over Simmons? Olidipo? Ya'll are drunk

[Duffman100]

lol @ Jrue holding a candle to Lowry. I want to know what non Pelican fans/ non LA hometown people are smoking when they think he is better than Lowry. What possible justification could you have for voting for Jrue over Lowry?

I'm a little confused on how we won a title.

[zimpy27]

CP3 is severely underrated. Will rip back into top 15 with an expanded role next season.

[VanWest82]

I think Jrue over Lowry is fair. It wasn't correct 2014-2018 but it is now. The fact that Jrue can still be a number 2 guy for 82 games is a big check in his corner. I'd put him even with Simmons and Siakam. Oladipo would be right there too and maybe even ahead if he was healthy. Chris Paul is starting to fade like Lowry.

[Catchall]

Call me biased but I think This is either Pascal Siakam or Kyle Lowry.

Yeah, I think you're biased. This would be the Oladipo/Ben Simmons/Donovan Mitchell part of the program, imo.

[Yallbecrazy]

lol @ Jrue holding a candle to Lowry. I want to know what non Pelican fans/ non LA hometown people are smoking when they think he is better than Lowry. What possible justification could you have for voting for Jrue over Lowry?

That Lowry’s 33 and declining and Jrue was almost as good last year? They both would have gone several spots ago if it was up to me, but it seems weird that you would be low on one and high on the other. They’re both elite defenders who consistently rank high in impact stats and do more than their numbers. I mean obviously Lowry was better last season, but I think it’s fair to project a little decline at this age when he was already having a hard time keeping it going through the regular season.

Jrue has been injured a lot in his career, players like that tend to decline faster. I think they're similar, but Lowry is a rich man's Jrue. I can see people claiming Kyrie being better, even though I disagree. Kyrie does things Jrue and Lowry don't even though both are far better players on a winning team. Jrue does a lot of what Lowry does just not as well except for on ball defense which I feel is the most overrated stat for a pg(team defense and rotations are far more important).

Kyle has the kind of game that doesn't rely on athleticism and he will be very good for quite a few more years.

[Metallikid]

The disrespect to a Hall of Famer like Chris Paul is unreal. I'm sticking with him unless the vote between two others gets very close. He's absolutely a top 20 player still.

Nominate DeMar DeRozan (He just turned 30 this will be his best season!)

[lakerz12]

nominate VUCEVIC

If you're starting a team right now, would you rather take someone like Conley or Lowry over Vucevic? Don't be crazy.

[iggymcfrack]

nominate VUCEVIC

If you're starting a team right now, would you rather take someone like Conley or Lowry over Vucevic? Don't be crazy.

If I was starting a team I'd rather have Mitchell Robinson than Chris Paul, but that certainly doesn't mean I expect him to be a better player in 2019-20. Those are completely different questions.

[lakerz12]

nominate VUCEVIC

If you're starting a team right now, would you rather take someone like Conley or Lowry over Vucevic? Don't be crazy.

If I was starting a team I'd rather have Mitchell Robinson than Chris Paul, but that certainly doesn't mean I expect him to be a better player in 2019-20. Those are completely different questions.

OP never specified time frame.

If it is only for 2019-20, then why was Durant one of the original options? He's not even playing...

I'm treating it as best player moving forward for the foreseeable future.

I would still take Vucevic over Lowry and Conley for this season.

[ElectricMayhem]

Chris Paul again. I can't believe there is a substantial chance he won't even make the Top 25 in this poll.

Nominate: Drummond (although nominations at this point in the poll really serve no purpose)

[THE J0KER]

Tough choice.
Vote for Jrue Holiday, and nominate Nikola Vucevic and Jamal Murray (instead Kevin Durant)

[Showdown]

Vote : Aldridge
Nominate: Nurkic
Remove: Durant