RealGM

Run the Gravity tool on any NBA player:
https://cartolytics.shinyapps.io/Gravity/

They also offer a $5 package of their full data in 21 spreadsheets which include a lot of goodies like full OPIPM and DPIPM data on all players since the 1973 seasons. The full gravity data mentioned above is also in that paid package, but I saw a guy downloaded it and made some work out of it. So here we go.

In b4 Kobe graph is just a black hole meme and that's the reason why no data before 2013-14 season exists

Dr Aki wrote:In b4 Kobe graph is just a black hole meme and that's the reason why no data before 2013-14 season exists

Yeah, cool new data and thats the first thing everyone will think off..

Hard to take seriously a for pay product given what I can see. That said if this is legit it's awesome to have in the public.

dhsilv2 wrote:Hard to take seriously a for pay product given what I can see. That said if this is legit it's awesome to have in the public.

I guess the data is not a big deal but rather the stuff they do around those data. Check out two of their main contributors, Andrew Patton and Cranjis McBasketball if you are into this kind of stuff. If I don't have a 9-5 job I am definitely gonna spend that $5

So if DeRozan is demanding that much gravity in the midrange - I wonder why he can't seem to have any sort of impact towards winning? It's an interesting discussion imo.

Is his complete lack of ability to "3nD" hindering him that much?

Note that I am super low on him and don't have him on my top 50, which is why I find it surprising to see him at the top of this gravity list, unless midrange gravity potentially has the least impact of the 3 areas

BIGJ1ER wrote:So if DeRozan is demanding that much gravity in the midrange - I wonder why he can't seem to have any sort of impact towards winning? It's an interesting discussion imo.

Is his complete lack of ability to "3nD" hindering him that much?

Note that I am super low on him and don't have him on my top 50, which is why I find it surprising to see him at the top of this gravity list, unless midrange gravity potentially has the least impact of the 3 areas

Look at two of Melo's best seasons according to that mid-range table, 16-17 followed by 13-14. Knicks won 37 and 31 games in those two seasons, and that's with the 4th and 7th best "mid range" seasons among all players in the past 6 years from Melo. He also shot 40% and 36% from 3 in those years.

DeRozan had his career high assist rate season in 18-19 with Spurs, a team that promote passing but even that you don't feel like he does much elsewhere aside from his scoring. Over his career he is a pretty bad passer with a tunnel vision, often jump into the air with no plan B other than aiming for the rim.

Not surprisingly for him and Melo, the Gravity stat does not include passing/assisting.

Really surprised Melo isn't higher on the list since everyone says he's a black hole.
Also, I'd love to see Dirk in his prime in the mid-range.

Dr Aki wrote:In b4 Kobe graph is just a black hole meme and that's the reason why no data before 2013-14 season exists

I suspect this data is from SportVU since it's from 2013-19.

Whoa whoa whoa, in 16/17 Derozan had the highest single data point of average gravity in the league? That's a bit crazy.

He was, granted, definitely almost always the second best player on the Raptors during the Lebronto years, but i keep telling people he got to be underrated. He constantly drew defenders, as show here, and even if it didn't always directly lead to an assist it did lead to broken down defences that the team capitalized on.

Elephant in the room : Steph's gravity chart ?

ken6199 wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:Hard to take seriously a for pay product given what I can see. That said if this is legit it's awesome to have in the public.

I guess the data is not a big deal but rather the stuff they do around those data. Check out two of their main contributors, Andrew Patton and Cranjis McBasketball if you are into this kind of stuff. If I don't have a 9-5 job I am definitely gonna spend that $5

That man stole "Cranjis McBasketball" from Impractical Jokers/The Tenderloins.

Showdown wrote:Elephant in the room : Steph's gravity chart ?

We've been knowing Steph had the best gravity in the league. That's why I think Draymond is heavily overrated on the offensive side of the ball. It's easy to be a mediocre scorer and decent passer when the entire opposing team is focused on one guy.

ken6199 wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:Hard to take seriously a for pay product given what I can see. That said if this is legit it's awesome to have in the public.

I guess the data is not a big deal but rather the stuff they do around those data. Check out two of their main contributors, Andrew Patton and Cranjis McBasketball if you are into this kind of stuff. If I don't have a 9-5 job I am definitely gonna spend that $5

I'm just cheap with data I guess. Though these gravity charts are the worst looking graphs I've ever seen.

ken6199 wrote:

BIGJ1ER wrote:So if DeRozan is demanding that much gravity in the midrange - I wonder why he can't seem to have any sort of impact towards winning? It's an interesting discussion imo.

Is his complete lack of ability to "3nD" hindering him that much?

Note that I am super low on him and don't have him on my top 50, which is why I find it surprising to see him at the top of this gravity list, unless midrange gravity potentially has the least impact of the 3 areas

Look at two of Melo's best seasons according to that mid-range table, 16-17 followed by 13-14. Knicks won 37 and 31 games in those two seasons, and that's with the 4th and 7th best "mid range" seasons among all players in the past 6 years from Melo. He also shot 40% and 36% from 3 in those years.

DeRozan had his career high assist rate season in 18-19 with Spurs, a team that promote passing but even that you don't feel like he does much elsewhere aside from his scoring. Over his career he is a pretty bad passer with a tunnel vision, often jump into the air with no plan B other than aiming for the rim.

Not surprisingly for him and Melo, the Gravity stat does not include passing/assisting.

Gravity *can* be a sign teams don't respect your passing ability as much as it can be a sign that they respect your scoring ability

The Real Dalic wrote:

Showdown wrote:Elephant in the room : Steph's gravity chart ?

We've been knowing Steph had the best gravity in the league. That's why I think Draymond is heavily overrated on the offensive side of the ball. It's easy to be a mediocre scorer and decent passer when the entire opposing team is focused on one guy.

And then klay and Durant. We'll see how green will do just Steph on the court (but even then Curry's gravity is probably good enough)

The Flying Gent wrote:Whoa whoa whoa, in 16/17 Derozan had the highest single data point of average gravity in the league? That's a bit crazy.

He was, granted, definitely almost always the second best player on the Raptors during the Lebronto years, but i keep telling people he got to be underrated. He constantly drew defenders, as show here, and even if it didn't always directly lead to an assist it did lead to broken down defences that the team capitalized on.

"midrange" gravity. Off course it's the least valuable shot so...

freethedevil wrote:

The Flying Gent wrote:Whoa whoa whoa, in 16/17 Derozan had the highest single data point of average gravity in the league? That's a bit crazy.

He was, granted, definitely almost always the second best player on the Raptors during the Lebronto years, but i keep telling people he got to be underrated. He constantly drew defenders, as show here, and even if it didn't always directly lead to an assist it did lead to broken down defences that the team capitalized on.

"midrange" gravity. Off course it's the least valuable shot so...

So the Spurs went and acquired the number 1 and 2 on that chart!

Or was that not the point you were getting at?

Pretty cool, seems interesting. If someone could work on a similar thing for passing, that would be cool too.

The Flying Gent wrote:Whoa whoa whoa, in 16/17 Derozan had the highest single data point of average gravity in the league? That's a bit crazy.

only in the mid range, many players had more gravity (nine on the list alone) overall than him.