RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20

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RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20

Poll ended at Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:22 pm

Kevin Durant (BKN)
6
2%
Donovan Mitchell (UTA)
61
25%
Victor Oladipo (IND)
8
3%
Kyle Lowry (TOR)
111
46%
Chris Paul (OKC)
22
9%
LaMarcus Aldridge (SAS)
2
1%
Mike Conley (UTA)
10
4%
CJ McCollum (POR)
12
5%
DeMar DeRozan (SAS)
4
2%
Nikola Vucevic (ORL)
7
3%
 
Total votes: 243

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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#81 » by mademan » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:47 pm

stitches wrote:I nominate the whole Raptors roster so we can vote them in quickly and then return back to something more productive here. One suggestion I would make is that the Raptors forum do their internal voting for places 25 to 37 so we wouldn't waste the time here... since you know... none of us have watched any Raptors games and all...


lol. Raps board has been very reasonable.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#82 » by KqWIN » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:59 pm

We shouldn't be so harsh on Raptors fans. The Philly fans disappeared once Simmons was picked, but up until that point it was all about how hated he was and how it was crime that Simmons was still on the board. Same thing with Doncic before and his stans.

The only consistent argument has been that people will stan for their favorite players.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#83 » by stitches » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:08 pm

KqWIN wrote:We shouldn't be so harsh on Raptors fans. The Philly fans disappeared once Simmons was picked, but up until that point it was all about how hated he was and how it was crime that Simmons was still on the board. Same thing with Doncic before and his stans.

The only consistent argument has been that people will stan for their favorite players.

True. This looks more like Stan competition with very little consistency in argumentation. Oh well...

edit: just for the record I still have not given a vote for Mitchell... I'm just noting how votes get brigaded by sub-forums of the respective teams.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#84 » by KqWIN » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:34 pm

stitches wrote:
KqWIN wrote:We shouldn't be so harsh on Raptors fans. The Philly fans disappeared once Simmons was picked, but up until that point it was all about how hated he was and how it was crime that Simmons was still on the board. Same thing with Doncic before and his stans.

The only consistent argument has been that people will stan for their favorite players.

True. This looks more like Stan competition with very little consistency in argumentation. Oh well...

edit: just for the record I still have not given a vote for Mitchell... I'm just noting how votes get brigaded by sub-forums of the respective teams.


I also haven't cast a vote for Mitchell. I've mostly been advocating for players I don't vote for, because the arguments against them make no sense and have no consistency. Stats matter, but only for certain players. If you use them for others, you need to check yourself and not rely on them so much. Also, using the aging curve is a hot take and it's only ok for certain people to speculate on potential development.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#85 » by SlowPaced » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:36 pm

Not sure if the "RaPs fAnS hiJaCkeD tHe PoLL" talk is justified, considering many non-Raps fans, including myself, have made posts declaring that they voted for Lowry.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#86 » by toast » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:52 pm

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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#87 » by TheProfessor » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:56 pm

Could see an argument for Paul or Lowry. Paul's teams just awful tho, and I do not see Paul putting up great numbers (advanced/traditional) with offensive talent around him. He's too old and OKC is way too awful.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#88 » by babyjax13 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:57 pm

I don't think Lowry is a ridiculous choice for this. Not who I would have picked, but he's certainly on the bubble, and statistically "better" than most other options were last year. I am projecting a big bump in efficiency and productivity for Mitchell, but ... that might not happen.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#89 » by GusT15 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:59 pm

SlowPaced wrote:Not sure if the "RaPs fAnS hiJaCkeD tHe PoLL" talk is justified, considering many non-Raps fans, including myself, have made posts declaring that they voted for Lowry.


19-21 August
Poll #22
Ben Simmons-62 Votes-30%
Donovan Mitchell-61 Votes-29%
Pascal Siakam-23 Votes-11%
Kyle Lowry-11 Votes-5%

21-23 August
Poll #23
Pascal Siakam-103 Votes-44%
Donovan Mitchell-59 Votes-25%
Kyle Lowry-11 Votes-5%

22-24 August-Currently Running
Poll #24
Kyle Lowry-97 Votes-49%
Donovan Mitchell-52 Votes-26%
Chris Paul-17 Votes-9%

21 August-Raps Board
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Waylanderz wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:VOTE SIAKAM: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1884180&p=78200673#p78200673


27 votes a piece for Mitchell and Siakam now. :o


42-33 for Siakam now :nod:


22 August-Raps Board
LoveMyRaps wrote:viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1884573

These poll results are too close for my liking. :nonono:

So please vote for the man that shed blood, sweat, & tears to bring us our first ever championship. The greatest Raptor of all-time.
MR. HEART & SOUL - K-LOW !

That is all.


I have ZERO problem with this,like ZERO-0%-Nada-Nothing-Not even the slightest problem with this,but since i'm the one that brought it up,i'll be damned if i let you use that MeME FoR Me-LiKE I DuNO WhAT I am TaLKiNg ABouT.
Cheers.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#90 » by SlowPaced » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:16 pm

GusT15 wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:Not sure if the "RaPs fAnS hiJaCkeD tHe PoLL" talk is justified, considering many non-Raps fans, including myself, have made posts declaring that they voted for Lowry.


19-21 August
Poll #22
Ben Simmons-62 Votes-30%
Donovan Mitchell-61 Votes-29%
Pascal Siakam-23 Votes-11%
Kyle Lowry-11 Votes-5%

21-23 August
Poll #23
Pascal Siakam-103 Votes-44%
Donovan Mitchell-59 Votes-25%
Kyle Lowry-11 Votes-5%

22-24 August-Currently Running
Poll #24
Kyle Lowry-97 Votes-49%
Donovan Mitchell-52 Votes-26%
Chris Paul-17 Votes-9%

21 August-Raps Board
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Waylanderz wrote:
27 votes a piece for Mitchell and Siakam now. :o


42-33 for Siakam now :nod:


22 August-Raps Board
LoveMyRaps wrote:viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1884573

These poll results are too close for my liking. :nonono:

So please vote for the man that shed blood, sweat, & tears to bring us our first ever championship. The greatest Raptor of all-time.
MR. HEART & SOUL - K-LOW !

That is all.


I have ZERO problem with this,like ZERO-0%-Nada-Nothing-Not even the slightest problem with this,but since i'm the one that brought it up,i'll be damned if i let you use that MeME FoR Me-LiKE I DuNO WhAT I am TaLKiNg ABouT.
Cheers.


Does it occur to you the possibility that people who weren't voting for Simmons and Mitchell but someone else (like Siakam) voted for Lowry this time? That's what happened in my case. I didn't vote for Simmons and I have yet to vote for Mitchell.

Raps fans coming into the picture may have played a role, but it's inaccurate to act like it tells the whole story.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#91 » by Just_Somebody » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:50 pm

SlowPaced wrote:
GusT15 wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:Not sure if the "RaPs fAnS hiJaCkeD tHe PoLL" talk is justified, considering many non-Raps fans, including myself, have made posts declaring that they voted for Lowry.


19-21 August
Poll #22
Ben Simmons-62 Votes-30%
Donovan Mitchell-61 Votes-29%
Pascal Siakam-23 Votes-11%
Kyle Lowry-11 Votes-5%

21-23 August
Poll #23
Pascal Siakam-103 Votes-44%
Donovan Mitchell-59 Votes-25%
Kyle Lowry-11 Votes-5%

22-24 August-Currently Running
Poll #24
Kyle Lowry-97 Votes-49%
Donovan Mitchell-52 Votes-26%
Chris Paul-17 Votes-9%

21 August-Raps Board
LoveMyRaps wrote:
42-33 for Siakam now :nod:


22 August-Raps Board
LoveMyRaps wrote:viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1884573

These poll results are too close for my liking. :nonono:

So please vote for the man that shed blood, sweat, & tears to bring us our first ever championship. The greatest Raptor of all-time.
MR. HEART & SOUL - K-LOW !

That is all.


I have ZERO problem with this,like ZERO-0%-Nada-Nothing-Not even the slightest problem with this,but since i'm the one that brought it up,i'll be damned if i let you use that MeME FoR Me-LiKE I DuNO WhAT I am TaLKiNg ABouT.
Cheers.


Does it occur to you the possibility that people who weren't voting for Simmons and Mitchell but someone else (like Siakam) voted for Lowry this time? That's what happened in my case. I didn't vote for Simmons and I have yet to vote for Mitchell.

Raps fans coming into the picture may have played a role, but it's inaccurate to act like it tells the whole story.

Lowry was tied for 5th with 11 votes the last poll, and suddenly leads the next one with 99 votes (and counting). It's no coincident that the moment a Raptors player is chosen, the other Raps player gets an unbelievable jump in votes.
If you pay attention to the voting pattern in this project, the #2 voted player in a vote always gets picked in the next poll (exceptions: the injured Durant, and Jrue Holiday after a very close poll).
This is no co-incident and it's a little sad to see how a fanbase manipulates a very intriguing project.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#92 » by In2ition » Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:59 pm

THE J0KER wrote:Voted for Mitchell which is clearly TOP20 player last season since January with 25-5-5 type of average numbers despite being just 22y old.

Clearly a TOP20 player with those stats at 22yr old? Isn't there other 22 or younger players that put up those stats or even better during that time period?
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#93 » by Effigy » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:00 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
Effigy wrote:How is Lowry winning this? He and Mitchell are going opposite ways in their careers at this point. Mitchell will be better :P , Lowry will be worse.

Neither Siakam or Lowry are top 25, but obviously we have a lot of Raptor fans here, lol.


:lol: winning the title with one top 25 player.

I would have thought the exposure in the playoffs would have opened people's eyes to Siakam but especially Lowry. He ain't flashy, but he does whatever it takes to win.

There's a reason we've won 48+ games every year for the past 6 years. Lowry is that reason.



This wasn't a typical title team as you well know. Beating the most Injured team in finals history was great luck for you, but it doesn't make Siakam and Lowry better players.

Also, what Lowry did six years ago doesn't matter. He WAS a top 25 player at one point, but not any more. This is all based on what we think they will do next year, if it was based on what they did last year, Durant and Klay would be in. So the 'championship team' argument doesn't matter unless you think they will win the title next year.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#94 » by THE J0KER » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:49 pm

In2ition wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:Voted for Mitchell which is clearly TOP20 player last season since January with 25-5-5 type of average numbers despite being just 22y old.

Clearly a TOP20 player with those stats at 22yr old? Isn't there other 22 or younger players that put up those stats or even better during that time period?

If you are talking about Devin Booker, there is a significant difference between 25-5-5 stats playing for 32-13 team (Utah since January has 3rd best record in NBA), and playing for 10-34 team (Phoenix has since January 2nd worst record in NBA).
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#95 » by NZB2323 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:06 pm

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NZB2323 wrote:Kyle Lowry will be 33 next year and Mitchell will be 23. Mitchell is killing it with Team USA and will have more spacing with Conley and Bojan. Lowry has been drinking champagne and will have less spacing with Kawhi gone.

Okay? Those are all speculative in nature. While I appreciate the hot take, you really can't back any of this up.


It's a hot take and speculative to say that players improve as they approach 23 and get worse as they approach 33? Go back and look at NBA history. We can use the guy in your avatar, Reggie Miller, as an example:

Miller at 22: 14 PER, 0.6 BPM
Miller at 23: 15.7 PER, 2.3 BPM

Miller at 32: 19.8 PER, 4.3 BPM
Miller at 33: 18.7 PER, 3.5 BPM

I can provide more examples if you like. The point is players who don't improve when they're 23 and don't decline when they're 33 are the exception to the rule.

EDIT: noticed your avatar is photoshopped and that's not Reggie Miller's face. The point still stands.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#96 » by notericjr » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:11 pm

jazz fans really making conspiracy theories about raptors and sixers fans' choices in their voting? :lol:
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#97 » by In2ition » Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:49 pm

THE J0KER wrote:
In2ition wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:Voted for Mitchell which is clearly TOP20 player last season since January with 25-5-5 type of average numbers despite being just 22y old.

Clearly a TOP20 player with those stats at 22yr old? Isn't there other 22 or younger players that put up those stats or even better during that time period?

If you are talking about Devin Booker, there is a significant difference between 25-5-5 stats playing for 32-13 team (Utah since January has 3rd best record in NBA), and playing for 10-34 team (Phoenix has since January 2nd worst record in NBA).


Didn't Trae Young average 25-5-9 in that time as a 20 yr?

If you want to point out Booker, are we really comparing the rosters around them, or are you insinuating that Mitchell carried them to that record all by himself and therefore...?
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#98 » by HoopsterJones » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:06 pm

So we all voting KD for 25?
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#99 » by NZB2323 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:43 pm

HoopsterJones wrote:So we all voting KD for 25?


No. He will play 0 minutes in the 2019-20 season, and average a stat line of 0, 0, 0, 0, and 0.
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Re: RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#24 2019-20 

Post#100 » by zimpy27 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:32 pm

SlowPaced wrote:Not sure if the "RaPs fAnS hiJaCkeD tHe PoLL" talk is justified, considering many non-Raps fans, including myself, have made posts declaring that they voted for Lowry.


I voted CP3 but I could definitely see Lowry. I kind of see them as very similar, I just think CP3 was sharing a role and took a hit to his stats but that will change next season.
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