USA Teams With 12 NBA Players Have Lost 11 Times In FIBA Play Since 2002

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USA Teams With 12 NBA Players Have Lost 11 Times In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#1 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:38 am

After losing to France, Team USA senior men's teams (with 12 current NBA players on the rosters), have now lost 11 games in FIBA play since 2002.

Since 2002, USA teams consisting of rosters made up of 12 current NBA players, have played in 11 FIBA tournaments. So 11 losses so far in 11 tournaments. The tournaments listed in bold below, are the tournaments in which 12 man NBA teams have lost.

2002 FIBA World Cup (3 losses)
2003 FIBA AmeriCup
2004 Summer Olympic Games (3 losses during tournament, 4 losses including prep games)
2006 FIBA World Cup (1 loss)
2007 FIBA AmeriCup
2008 Summer Olympics
2010 FIBA World Cup
2012 Summer Olympic Games
2014 FIBA World Cup
2016 Summer Olympic Games
2019 FIBA World Cup (2 losses during tournament, 3 losses counting prep games)

1. 2002 FIBA World Cup:
Argentina 87 - USA 80

2. 2002 FIBA World Cup:
FR Yugoslavia 81 - USA 78

3. 2002 FIBA World Cup:
Spain 81 - USA 75

USA finished in 6th place.

4. 2004 Summer Olympics preparation game:
Italy 95 - USA 78

5. 2004 Summer Olympics:
Puerto Rico 92 - USA 73

6. 2004 Summer Olympics:
Lithuania 94 - USA 90

7. 2004 Summer Olympics:
Argentina 89 - USA 81

USA finished in 3rd place.

8. 2006 FIBA World Cup:
Greece 101 - USA 95

USA finished in 3rd place.

9. 2019 FIBA World Cup preparation game:
Australia 98 - USA 94

10. 2019 FIBA World Cup:
France 89 - USA 79

11. 2019 FIBA World Cup:
Serbia 94 - USA 89



In the following losses, Team USA's opponents had zero NBA players on their roster.

2004 Summer Olympics preparation game:
Italy 95 - USA 78

2006 FIBA World Cup:
Greece 101 - USA 95


So twice (Italy 2004, Greece 2006), a team made up of 12 current NBA players lost to teams with zero NBA players on their roster, although one of those two losses (Italy 2004) was a prep game.

If we want to break it down to individual players doing the most damage to beat USA, we have: (official games are in bold)

2002 against Argentina - Manu Ginobili

2002 against FR Yugoslavia - Peja Stojakovic

2002 against Spain - Juan Carlos Navarro


2004 against Italy - Gianluca Basile

2004 against Puerto Rico - Carlos Arroyo

2004 against Lithuania - Sarunas Jasikevicius

2004 against Argentina - Manu Ginobili

2006 against Greece - Vassilis Spanoulis


2019 against Australia - Patty Mills

2019 against France - Rudy Gobert

2019 against Serbia - Bogdan Bogdanovic

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USA 2002 FIBA World Cup Roster:

Elton Brand
Antonio Davis
Baron Davis
Michael Finley
Raef LaFrentz
Shawn Marion
Andre Miller
Reggie Miller
Jermaine O'Neal
Paul Pierce
Ben Wallace
Jay Williams

Head coach: George Karl
Assistant coach: Gregg Popovich


USA 2004 Summer Olympics Roster:

Carmelo Anthony
Carlos Boozer
Tim Duncan
Allen Iverson
LeBron James
Richard Jefferson
Stephon Marbury
Shawn Marion
Lamar Odom
Emeka Okafor
Amare Stoudemire
Dwyane Wade

Head coach: Larry Brown
Assistant coach: Gregg Popovich


USA 2006 FIBA World Cup Roster:

Carmelo Anthony
Shane Battier
Chris Bosh
Elton Brand
Kirk Hinrich
Dwight Howard
LeBron James
Antawn Jamison
Joe Johnson
Brad Miller
Chris Paul
Dwyane Wade

Head coach: Mike Krzyzewski
Assistant coach: Jim Boeheim


USA 2019 FIBA World Cup Roster:

Derrick White
Donovan Mitchell
Joe Harris
Marcus Smart
Harrison Barnes
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Mason Plumlee
Myles Turner
Brook Lopez
Khris Middleton
Kemba Walker

Head coach: Gregg Popovich
Assistant coach: Steve Kerr

*Original post updated after the USA vs. Serbia 2019 FIBA World Cup 5th-8th place game.
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Re: 12 NBA Players Team USA's 9 Losses In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#2 » by GusT15 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:26 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
In the following losses, Team USA's opponents had zero players that had ever played in the NBA on their roster.



2006 FIBA World Cup:
Greece 101 - USA 95



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Post#3 » by The Real Dalic » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:28 am

I'm starting to get an Anti-American vibe from these threads. Every. Single. Loss. Is brought up and made into a thread this summer. I don't even know of anyone that's excited or watching the team this year. No one in America seems to care about Fiba. Only the Olympics. People get so excited after every loss. I haven't watched a second of a Team USA game and I know they lost at least 3 times and another time to a G-League squad in practice, just because of the amount of threads. I haven't seen a thread about a win though.

The only thing I cared about this Fiba Tournament was how Montenegro, Nigeria, and France was doing because of Nikola Vucevic, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Evan Fournier. That's it.
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Re: 12 NBA Players Team USA's 9 Losses In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#4 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:34 am

The Real Dalic wrote:I'm starting to get an Anti-American vibe from these threads. Every. Single. Loss. Is brought up and made into a thread this summer. I don't even know of anyone that's excited or watching the team this year. No one in America seems to care about Fiba. Only the Olympics. People get so excited after every loss. I haven't watched a second of a Team USA game and I know they lost at least 3 times and another time to a G-League squad in practice, just because of the amount of threads. I haven't seen a thread about a win though.

The only thing I cared about this Fiba Tournament was how Montenegro, Nigeria, and France was doing because of Nikola Vucevic, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Evan Fournier. That's it.


For some reason, 90% of this forum always puts the Olympics and FIBA as two separate things.......however, FIBA runs and controls the Olympics basketball. It's the same exact thing. The Olympics only has a say in where the tournament is held, and how many teams can play. FIBA controls everything else.

It really makes no sense why American NBA fans consider it to be separate things. It isn't, the Olympics basketball is part of FIBA, not a separate entity.
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Re: 12 NBA Players Team USA's 9 Losses In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#5 » by UcanUwill » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:36 am

GusT15 wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
In the following losses, Team USA's opponents had zero players that had ever played in the NBA on their roster.



2006 FIBA World Cup:
Greece 101 - USA 95



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Fotsis was a good player.
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Post#6 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:39 am

UcanUwill wrote:
GusT15 wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
In the following losses, Team USA's opponents had zero players that had ever played in the NBA on their roster.



2006 FIBA World Cup:
Greece 101 - USA 95



Image

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Fotsis was a good player.


Other than Doncic, Fotsis was probably the best teenage player in Europe in the last 35 years or so. Unfortunately, he never really improved after about age 22 to 23.
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Post#7 » by The Real Dalic » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:42 am

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The Real Dalic wrote:I'm starting to get an Anti-American vibe from these threads. Every. Single. Loss. Is brought up and made into a thread this summer. I don't even know of anyone that's excited or watching the team this year. No one in America seems to care about Fiba. Only the Olympics. People get so excited after every loss. I haven't watched a second of a Team USA game and I know they lost at least 3 times and another time to a G-League squad in practice, just because of the amount of threads. I haven't seen a thread about a win though.

The only thing I cared about this Fiba Tournament was how Montenegro, Nigeria, and France was doing because of Nikola Vucevic, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Evan Fournier. That's it.


For some reason, 90% of this forum always puts the Olympics and FIBA as two separate things.......however, FIBA runs and controls the Olympics basketball. It's the same exact thing. The Olympics only has a say in where the tournament is held, and how many teams can play. FIBA controls everything else.

It really makes no sense why American NBA fans consider it to be separate things. It isn't, the Olympics basketball is part of FIBA, not a separate entity.

Understood. But clearly we in the US don't care about just the Fiba portion of it. We like the bigger spectacle of the Olympics much more. Not just fans, but the players. If that weren't true, LeBron, AD, KD, Curry, Leonard, etc, would all be out there during this. But no one in the US cares. It's cool to celebrate a teams wins, but these threads are clearly about celebrating the US losing.
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Post#8 » by Hornet Mania » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:44 am

The Real Dalic wrote:I'm starting to get an Anti-American vibe from these threads. Every. Single. Loss. Is brought up and made into a thread this summer. I don't even know of anyone that's excited or watching the team this year. No one in America seems to care about Fiba. Only the Olympics. People get so excited after every loss. I haven't watched a second of a Team USA game and I know they lost at least 3 times and another time to a G-League squad in practice, just because of the amount of threads. I haven't seen a thread about a win though.

The only thing I cared about this Fiba Tournament was how Montenegro, Nigeria, and France was doing because of Nikola Vucevic, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Evan Fournier. That's it.


I see what you're saying, and it does seem like a big reaction every time, but I don't think it's anti-American as much as it is "hey guys, if you want to win you need to give it your real try".

From the Euro/International perspective a lot of fans want to prove that if the best American players don't come then Team USA should not expect to win. From the American fan perspective (speaking personally, despite my Austrian location I am a US citizen born and raised there) I think it's just shock/embarrassment, if Team USA is losing it must be because we didn't send the A team and although I understand why players opt out I feel like we should always try to send the A team just to keep the reputation high if nothing else.
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Post#9 » by The Real Dalic » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:48 am

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The Real Dalic wrote:I'm starting to get an Anti-American vibe from these threads. Every. Single. Loss. Is brought up and made into a thread this summer. I don't even know of anyone that's excited or watching the team this year. No one in America seems to care about Fiba. Only the Olympics. People get so excited after every loss. I haven't watched a second of a Team USA game and I know they lost at least 3 times and another time to a G-League squad in practice, just because of the amount of threads. I haven't seen a thread about a win though.

The only thing I cared about this Fiba Tournament was how Montenegro, Nigeria, and France was doing because of Nikola Vucevic, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Evan Fournier. That's it.


I see what you're saying, and it does seem like a big reaction every time, but I don't think it's anti-American as much as it is "hey guys, if you want to win you need to give it your real try".

From the Euro/International perspective a lot of fans want to prove that if the best American players don't come then Team USA should not expect to win. From the American fan perspective (speaking personally, despite my Austrian location I am a US citizen born and raised there) I think it's just shock/embarrassment, if Team USA is losing it must be because we didn't send the A team and although I understand why players opt out I feel like we should always try to send the A team just to keep the reputation high if nothing else.

Trust me, I would like the best players to take even this seriously. But since they don't and we trot out role players and G-Leaguers, I can't find it in me to care. Essentially, if they don't care, neither do I.

I don't blame the players completely, as most are trying to take some time off/nurse injuries, but still.
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Post#10 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:50 am

The Real Dalic wrote:Understood. But clearly we in the US don't care about just the Fiba portion of it. We like the bigger spectacle of the Olympics much more. Not just fans, but the players. If that weren't true, LeBron, AD, KD, Curry, Leonard, etc, would all be out there during this. But no one in the US cares. It's cool to celebrate a teams wins, but these threads are clearly about celebrating the US losing.


I understand that and it's obviously true. But the Olympics is only preferred by NBA players as a marketing and money angle. Basketball-wise it's the same thing, only actually the World Cup is an obviously bigger and higher level tournament, with a lot more good teams than the Olympics.

It makes sense why NBA players want the focus on the Olympics (because of money), and why Americans in general focus on it, but for basketball fans specifically (like in this forum), it's actually counter intuitive........because from a basketball standpoint, the World Cup is a far superior competition to Olympics basketball.

Just because NBA players want the focus of the Olympic media spotlight and marketing money, does not mean sports and basketball fans in USA should fail to understand the FIBA World Cup is a much better competition.
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Post#11 » by The Real Dalic » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:53 am

Mirotic12 wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Understood. But clearly we in the US don't care about just the Fiba portion of it. We like the bigger spectacle of the Olympics much more. Not just fans, but the players. If that weren't true, LeBron, AD, KD, Curry, Leonard, etc, would all be out there during this. But no one in the US cares. It's cool to celebrate a teams wins, but these threads are clearly about celebrating the US losing.


I understand that and it's obviously true. But the Olympics is only preferred by NBA players as a marketing and money angle. Basketball-wise it's the same thing, only actually the World Cup is an obviously bigger and higher level tournament, with a lot more good teams than the Olympics. ''

It makes sense why NBA players want the focus on the Olympics (because of money), and why Americans in general focus on it, but for basketball fans specifically (like in this forum), it's actually counter intuitive........because from a basketball standpoint, the World Cup is a far superior competition to Olympics basketball.

Just because NBA players want the focus of the Olympic media spotlight and marketing money, does not mean sports and basketball fans in USA should fail to understand the FIBA World Cup is a much better competition.

I would agree, but it's hard for us fans to care when the best players in the world that would carry the team to trophies doesn't wanna be there. It's like being a fan of a team in the NBA that is not even trying to win a championship. No one would ever follow that team.
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Post#12 » by UcanUwill » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:54 am

FIBA on its own has no prestige. Olympics is the most prestigious thing in sports, its like an Oscar for athletes. Every athlete dreams of winning an Olympic medal.
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Post#13 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:58 am

UcanUwill wrote:FIBA on its own has no prestige. Olympics is the most prestigious thing in sports, its like an Oscar for athletes. Every athlete dreams of winning an Olympic medal.


That's only because Stankovic made a colossal blunder when he allowed NBA players into the Olympics, and not just the World Cup. If he had done what he should have, then the World Cup of basketball would be the only thing Team USA cared about.

To this day, that colossal blunder by Stankovic is wrecking FIBA.

In football, the players don't generally give a damn about the Olympics - they care about the World Cup, as it should be, and that has all the prestige, not the Olympics, as it should be. The same should be for basketball, but Stankovic made an incredibly dumb decision and ruined things.

That one one sport event football World Cup, rivals the whole entirety of the Olympics (even with the men's basketball event). So it actually has nothing to do with the Olympics and everything to do with the pure idiocy of allowing the NBA to choose the Olympcis instead of the World Cup. FIFA doesn't allow that and neither should FIBA.

So now basketball is the only major sport in the world that pretends its world championship is meaningless.......
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Post#14 » by sunsbg » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:01 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:Trust me, I would like the best players to take even this seriously. But since they don't and we trot out role players and G-Leaguers, I can't find it in me to care. Essentially, if they don't care, neither do I.

I don't blame the players completely, as most are trying to take some time off/nurse injuries, but still.


Actually one would expect such loss (wins too) will be discussed on a BB forum more, but there is so much more other stupid stuff that gets the attention.
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Post#15 » by UcanUwill » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:07 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:FIBA on its own has no prestige. Olympics is the most prestigious thing in sports, its like an Oscar for athletes. Every athlete dreams of winning an Olympic medal.


That's only because Stankovic made a colossal blunder when he allowed NBA players into the Olympics, and not just the World Cup. If he had done what he should have, then the World Cup of basketball would be the only thing Team USA cared about.

To this day, that colossal blunder by Stankovic is wrecking FIBA.

In football, the players don't generally give a damn about the Olympics - they care about the World Cup, as it should be, and that has all the prestige, not the Olympics, as it should be. The same should be for basketball, but Stankovic made an incredibly dumb decision and ruined things.

That one one sport event football World Cup, rivals the whole entirety of the Olympics (even with the men's basketball event). So it actually has nothing to do with the Olympics and everything to do with the pure idiocy of allowing the NBA to choose the Olympcis instead of the World Cup. FIFA doesn't allow that and neither should FIBA.

So now basketball is the only major sport in the world that pretends its world championship is meaningless.......


FIFA has prestige because football is most popular thing in the world, basketball is not. Lets be real, we international basketball fans are a minority, and beside Americans, no other nation is on that level at producing great basketball players or basketball interest.
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Post#16 » by Sugarless » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:10 pm

sunsbg wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Trust me, I would like the best players to take even this seriously. But since they don't and we trot out role players and G-Leaguers, I can't find it in me to care. Essentially, if they don't care, neither do I.

I don't blame the players completely, as most are trying to take some time off/nurse injuries, but still.


Actually one would expect such loss (wins too) will be discussed on a BB forum more, but there is so much more other stupid stuff that gets the attention.


This.

It's not about hate, it's just the fact that a USA team full of NBA players losing a basketball game is noticeable. Unlike 90% of the topics brought up here during the off-season.
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Post#17 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:12 pm

UcanUwill wrote:FIFA has prestige because football is most popular thing in the world, basketball is not. Lets be real, we international basketball fans are a minority, and beside Americans, no other nation is on that level at producing great basketball players or basketball interest.


If NBA players couldn't play in the Olympics, then that wouldn't be the case. Stankovic caused it to be this way. Before he made that dumb move, the World Championship was by far more important than Olympic basketball everywhere outside of USA, except for Soviet Union and Yugoslavia and China, that cared about Olympics solely for propaganda purposes.
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Post#18 » by Pumpkin17 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:33 pm

I am italian. No one in their right mind should think that USA basketball is on the same level as the rest of the world. Team USA is fielding each time a casual team in the wc after dozens of renounces, playing with a team where no one is used to play with each other and with different rules. I like it more because tje competition is actually more balanced, but if we want to be realistic USA can still field 5 or 6 teams capable of winning WC each time, if only players would care or would have the same preparation/cohesion of the rest of the world.

World is closing the gap, but making a news of each loss is just nonsensical. Americans don't care, and rightfully so, they are on a whole different level.
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Post#20 » by Sofia » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:38 pm

They just had a 66 game winning streak snapped. Of course it’s news.

That of course doesn’t count regional qualifiers where everyone is ****
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