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Re: 12 NBA Players Team USA's 10 Losses In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#41 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:26 pm

A team full of Celtics and Bucks couldn’t deliver in a playoff environment, not shocked.
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Re: USA Teams With 12 NBA Players Have Lost 10 Times In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#42 » by Cassalien » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:45 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:2019 FIBA World Cup Quarterfinals:

France 89 - USA 79

Make it 10 losses since 2002. This 2019 FIBA World Cup proved that just a team of 12 NBA rotation players, even if several of them are starters, isn't enough to win even a bronze medal against international competition. Even though lots of teams missed key players at the tournament.

The whole idea that most American sports fans and commentators and "analysts", and even NBA executives and coaches have- that the worst player in the NBA would automatically be the best player anywhere else in the world, is obviously ludicrous and absolutely untrue.


lol what a take. France has 4 NBA players plus the DPOY of the NBA on their team. The best non NBA player on that team is most likely De Colo and he wouldnt even be a second string PG in the NBA cuz his defense was and still is pretty horrible. Gobert was able to do whatever he wanted out there and Kemba didnt look like he wanted to be on the field tonight. There is a reason why NBA and former NBA players light up other leagues around the globe once they are too washed for the NBA or just look at the lockout season and how for example Deron Williams was able to do whatever he wanted to playing in Turkey.

Another team that made the quarter finals in china was the czech republic and they got outplayed badly by the USA and would have again today.

Maybe one day you will realize how inferior the Euroleague is to the NBA or maybe during the upcoming pre season when NBA teams dont give a damn but play against these Euroleague teams again and win almost any game without even trying
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Re: 12 NBA Players Team USA's 9 Losses In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#43 » by Mirotic12 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:56 pm

Pumpkin17 wrote:I am italian. No one in their right mind should think that USA basketball is on the same level as the rest of the world. Team USA is fielding each time a casual team in the wc after dozens of renounces, playing with a team where no one is used to play with each other and with different rules. I like it more because tje competition is actually more balanced, but if we want to be realistic USA can still field 5 or 6 teams capable of winning WC each time, if only players would care or would have the same preparation/cohesion of the rest of the world.

World is closing the gap, but making a news of each loss is just nonsensical. Americans don't care, and rightfully so, they are on a whole different level.


This 2019 FIBA World Cup tournament proved that is absolutely wrong. They didn't go any 5 or 6 teams deep with this roster (maybe 2-3 at most), and they didn't even manage to get a bronze medal.
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Re: 12 NBA Players Team USA's 10 Losses In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#44 » by Mirotic12 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:02 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:A team full of Celtics and Bucks couldn’t deliver in a playoff environment, not shocked.


And Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), the NBA's reigning season MVP, also failed miserably in the tournament with Greece.
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Post#45 » by TheNG » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:04 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:2019 FIBA World Cup Quarterfinals:

France 89 - USA 79

Make it 10 losses since 2002. This 2019 FIBA World Cup proved that just a team of 12 NBA rotation players, even if several of them are starters, isn't enough to win even a bronze medal against international competition. Even though lots of teams missed key players at the tournament.

The whole idea that most American sports fans and commentators and "analysts", and even NBA executives and coaches have- that the worst player in the NBA would automatically be the best player anywhere else in the world, is obviously ludicrous and absolutely untrue.

Agree.
I just counted - the US had 11 players from the "top 100" list of SI that was just published a few days ago, while all other teams had between 0-2 players from that top 100 list.
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Re: USA Teams With 12 NBA Players Have Lost 10 Times In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#46 » by Mirotic12 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:05 pm

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Mirotic12 wrote:2019 FIBA World Cup Quarterfinals:

France 89 - USA 79

Make it 10 losses since 2002. This 2019 FIBA World Cup proved that just a team of 12 NBA rotation players, even if several of them are starters, isn't enough to win even a bronze medal against international competition. Even though lots of teams missed key players at the tournament.

The whole idea that most American sports fans and commentators and "analysts", and even NBA executives and coaches have- that the worst player in the NBA would automatically be the best player anywhere else in the world, is obviously ludicrous and absolutely untrue.


lol what a take. France has 4 NBA players plus the DPOY of the NBA on their team. The best non NBA player on that team is most likely De Colo and he wouldnt even be a second string PG in the NBA cuz his defense was and still is pretty horrible. Gobert was able to do whatever he wanted out there and Kemba didnt look like he wanted to be on the field tonight. There is a reason why NBA and former NBA players light up other leagues around the globe once they are too washed for the NBA or just look at the lockout season and how for example Deron Williams was able to do whatever he wanted to playing in Turkey.

Another team that made the quarter finals in china was the czech republic and they got outplayed badly by the USA and would have again today.

Maybe one day you will realize how inferior the Euroleague is to the NBA or maybe during the upcoming pre season when NBA teams dont give a damn but play against these Euroleague teams again and win almost any game without even trying


So a team of 4 NBA players, none of which is among the very best players in the NBA, is better than a team of 12 NBA players? That's the best argument you can come up with?

This result for Team USA is absolute proof that the NBA is extremely overrated. If the NBA is really so much better than all other leagues, and really is on the level people claim it is, then a team of 12 current NBA players (starters and rotation players) would be invincible at a tournament like this, and wouldn't lose once even in 100 games.

The NBA myth, that has mainly been created through its marketing gimmicks, has been busted immensely with this 2019 US team failing to even get past the quarterfinals, and not even managing to get a bronze medal.
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Post#47 » by Collymore » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:19 pm

This is what happens when you send a team of Eastern Conference players.
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Re: 12 NBA Players Team USA's 9 Losses In FIBA Play Since 2002 

Post#48 » by Pumpkin17 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:38 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Pumpkin17 wrote:I am italian. No one in their right mind should think that USA basketball is on the same level as the rest of the world. Team USA is fielding each time a casual team in the wc after dozens of renounces, playing with a team where no one is used to play with each other and with different rules. I like it more because tje competition is actually more balanced, but if we want to be realistic USA can still field 5 or 6 teams capable of winning WC each time, if only players would care or would have the same preparation/cohesion of the rest of the world.

World is closing the gap, but making a news of each loss is just nonsensical. Americans don't care, and rightfully so, they are on a whole different level.


This 2019 FIBA World Cup tournament proved that is absolutely wrong. They didn't go any 5 or 6 teams deep with this roster (maybe 2-3 at most), and they didn't even manage to get a bronze medal.


It is absolutely true. This team is a team capable of winning the world cup, it is just not guaranteed to do so like a team full of MVPs.
You can also adopt a different philosophy and assemble teams not by amassing stars or players with most talent but by using stars and role players. They lost, happened to a team with Duncan/AI/LBJ etc. on it before and for sure it wasn't cause some other team had more talent.

But you are just following your agenda, so let's get straight to the point:

Spanoulis sucked in the NBA and is nowhere near the top guards US have today or have produced in their history.
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Post#49 » by homecourtloss » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:45 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:2019 FIBA World Cup Quarterfinals:

France 89 - USA 79

Make it 10 losses since 2002. This 2019 FIBA World Cup proved that just a team of 12 NBA rotation players, even if several of them are starters, isn't enough to win even a bronze medal against international competition. Even though lots of teams missed key players at the tournament.

The whole idea that most American sports fans and commentators and "analysts", and even NBA executives and coaches have - that the worst player in the NBA would automatically be the best player anywhere else in the world, is obviously ludicrous and absolutely untrue.


:lol: :lol: Imagine getting THIS excited and delirious over a team’s loss after a million straight wins.

Also, the bolded is a strawman.
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Post#50 » by homecourtloss » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Pumpkin17 wrote:I am italian. No one in their right mind should think that USA basketball is on the same level as the rest of the world. Team USA is fielding each time a casual team in the wc after dozens of renounces, playing with a team where no one is used to play with each other and with different rules. I like it more because tje competition is actually more balanced, but if we want to be realistic USA [b]can still field 5 or 6 teams capable of winning WC each time,[/b] if only players would care or would have the same preparation/cohesion of the rest of the world.

World is closing the gap, but making a news of each loss is just nonsensical. Americans don't care, and rightfully so, they are on a whole different level.


This 2019 FIBA World Cup tournament proved that is absolutely wrong. They didn't go any 5 or 6 teams deep with this roster (maybe 2-3 at most), and they didn't even manage to get a bronze medal.


It didn’t prove his statement wrong. He said “can field a team capable of winning a WC.” There are definitely 5 or 6 other iterations of the team that can win the WC. THIS team as flawed as it is, with suspect tactics based on available talent, can win the WC with more preparation. You play this same again tomorrow and this team could beat team France. I’d still bet on it over a 7 game series. Yeah, I know there are no series in FIBA WC, but there’s no team clearly better in this tournament.
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Post#51 » by KqWIN » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:59 pm

How did we get to the point where 10 losses in 17 years (against how many wins?) is a condemning statement?
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Post#52 » by GREY 1769 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:08 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Cassalien wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:2019 FIBA World Cup Quarterfinals:

France 89 - USA 79

Make it 10 losses since 2002. This 2019 FIBA World Cup proved that just a team of 12 NBA rotation players, even if several of them are starters, isn't enough to win even a bronze medal against international competition. Even though lots of teams missed key players at the tournament.

The whole idea that most American sports fans and commentators and "analysts", and even NBA executives and coaches have- that the worst player in the NBA would automatically be the best player anywhere else in the world, is obviously ludicrous and absolutely untrue.


lol what a take. France has 4 NBA players plus the DPOY of the NBA on their team. The best non NBA player on that team is most likely De Colo and he wouldnt even be a second string PG in the NBA cuz his defense was and still is pretty horrible. Gobert was able to do whatever he wanted out there and Kemba didnt look like he wanted to be on the field tonight. There is a reason why NBA and former NBA players light up other leagues around the globe once they are too washed for the NBA or just look at the lockout season and how for example Deron Williams was able to do whatever he wanted to playing in Turkey.

Another team that made the quarter finals in china was the czech republic and they got outplayed badly by the USA and would have again today.

Maybe one day you will realize how inferior the Euroleague is to the NBA or maybe during the upcoming pre season when NBA teams dont give a damn but play against these Euroleague teams again and win almost any game without even trying


So a team of 4 NBA players, none of which is among the very best players in the NBA, is better than a team of 12 NBA players? That's the best argument you can come up with?

This result for Team USA is absolute proof that the NBA is extremely overrated. If the NBA is really so much better than all other leagues, and really is on the level people claim it is, then a team of 12 current NBA players (starters and rotation players) would be invincible at a tournament like this, and wouldn't lose once even in 100 games.

The NBA myth, that has mainly been created through its marketing gimmicks, has been busted immensely with this 2019 US team failing to even get past the quarterfinals, and not even managing to get a bronze medal.

Look it's clear you're using this thread to pound on a loss that is devoid of context, because simply throwing players together from the NBA isn't what it's about, just like simply having Jokic out there doesn't guarantee a victory. Which other team has faced so many variables coming into this tournament - new coaching staff, completely new roster (outside of Barnes) that has changed several times coming into the tournament, injuries, and having never played together and having different roles on their respective teams, have had to learn a new system in six weeks? Take away 'USA' from the jersey and I think people would be more objective in the steep climb this team had. It's bizarre but telling the glee some are taking when their more experienced teams are also out of medal contention.
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Post#53 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:22 pm

Need a new thread.

Why is basketball so bad in China when Americans play there?
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Post#54 » by Showtime23 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:26 pm

Whats really shocking is a team with 12 NBA players (most of them stars) cannot even make it to the finals.
This FIBA tourney is making me rethink whether NBA is the best league in the world.
If Luka is already a lock at MVP in the NBA for the foreseeable future, maybe Euroleague isnt that far off.
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Post#55 » by The Real Dalic » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:40 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:2019 FIBA World Cup Quarterfinals:

France 89 - USA 79

Make it 10 losses since 2002. This 2019 FIBA World Cup proved that just a team of 12 NBA rotation players, even if several of them are starters, isn't enough to win even a bronze medal against international competition. Even though lots of teams missed key players at the tournament.

The whole idea that most American sports fans and commentators and "analysts", and even NBA executives and coaches have - that the worst player in the NBA would automatically be the best player anywhere else in the world, is obviously ludicrous and absolutely untrue.

Careful, your anti-American bias is showing.

You're obsessed with the US and I'm pretty confident in saying you're jealous. Not sure why you have to obsess over another country. Just enjoy what yours has to offer. Less depressing then wishing to be better than somewhere else.

Also, yes, the worst player in the NBA has a strong chance of being a pivotal player anywhere else. We see it all the time from G-Leaguers and college kids that go overseas and dominate. These are facts. The NBA/America has the best players, not just from America, but the WORLD. Something you continue to ignore for some reason. Giannis might be the best player today and he's not even American.

PS - At least you're not hiding your hatred like you were in the first page a month ago. So, progress. :D
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Post#56 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:42 pm

Showtime23 wrote:Whats really shocking is a team with 12 NBA players (most of them stars) cannot even make it to the finals.
This FIBA tourney is making me rethink whether NBA is the best league in the world.
If Luka is already a lock at MVP in the NBA for the foreseeable future, maybe Euroleague isnt that far off.



Since when is Luka a lock for MVP?
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Post#57 » by Lalouie » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:44 pm

...and does anyone feel bad about it?

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Post#58 » by The Real Dalic » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:46 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
Cassalien wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:2019 FIBA World Cup Quarterfinals:

France 89 - USA 79

Make it 10 losses since 2002. This 2019 FIBA World Cup proved that just a team of 12 NBA rotation players, even if several of them are starters, isn't enough to win even a bronze medal against international competition. Even though lots of teams missed key players at the tournament.

The whole idea that most American sports fans and commentators and "analysts", and even NBA executives and coaches have- that the worst player in the NBA would automatically be the best player anywhere else in the world, is obviously ludicrous and absolutely untrue.


lol what a take. France has 4 NBA players plus the DPOY of the NBA on their team. The best non NBA player on that team is most likely De Colo and he wouldnt even be a second string PG in the NBA cuz his defense was and still is pretty horrible. Gobert was able to do whatever he wanted out there and Kemba didnt look like he wanted to be on the field tonight. There is a reason why NBA and former NBA players light up other leagues around the globe once they are too washed for the NBA or just look at the lockout season and how for example Deron Williams was able to do whatever he wanted to playing in Turkey.

Another team that made the quarter finals in china was the czech republic and they got outplayed badly by the USA and would have again today.

Maybe one day you will realize how inferior the Euroleague is to the NBA or maybe during the upcoming pre season when NBA teams dont give a damn but play against these Euroleague teams again and win almost any game without even trying


So a team of 4 NBA players, none of which is among the very best players in the NBA, is better than a team of 12 NBA players? That's the best argument you can come up with?

This result for Team USA is absolute proof that the NBA is extremely overrated. If the NBA is really so much better than all other leagues, and really is on the level people claim it is, then a team of 12 current NBA players (starters and rotation players) would be invincible at a tournament like this, and wouldn't lose once even in 100 games.

The NBA myth, that has mainly been created through its marketing gimmicks, has been busted immensely with this 2019 US team failing to even get past the quarterfinals, and not even managing to get a bronze medal.

Cool story, bro. So how about you stick to watching the vastly superior Euroleague, and let us enjoy all of our scrubs in the NBA. We'd all be happy then, deal?
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Post#59 » by KqWIN » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:48 pm

Showtime23 wrote:Whats really shocking is a team with 12 NBA players (most of them stars) cannot even make it to the finals.
This FIBA tourney is making me rethink whether NBA is the best league in the world.
If Luka is already a lock at MVP in the NBA for the foreseeable future, maybe Euroleague isnt that far off.


Agreed. Gobert and Fournier really exposed the NBA. Mills and Ingles are doing the same in the other side of the bracket. It's pretty clear where the best talent in the world plays...wait a second.
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Post#60 » by Mirotic12 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:49 pm

If we want to break it down to individual players doing the most damage to beat Team USA, we have: (official games are in bold)

2002 against Argentina - Manu Ginobili

2002 against FR Yugoslavia - Peja Stojakovic

2002 against Spain - Juan Carlos Navarro


2004 against Italy - Gianluca Basile

2004 against Puerto Rico - Carlos Arroyo

2004 against Lithuania - Sarunas Jasikevicius

2004 against Argentina - Manu Ginobili

2006 against Greece - Vassilis Spanoulis


2019 against Australia - Patty Mills

2019 against France - Rudy Gobert

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