Adopt the FIBA rules (Poll Added)

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Should the NBA adopt FIBA's rules to improve D and showcase athletic shotblockers and shooting bigs?

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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#61 » by The Real Dalic » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:22 pm

Not sure why they have to change the rules. The refs need to be less biased, sure. But this game is great as it is.

The NBA's rules are better. The refs just need to start following their own rulebook and start calling it consistently. Like Harden's travels.
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#62 » by CoachD » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:22 pm

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CoachD wrote:I saw someone post this on Facebook, and I full co-sign on this idea.

The NBA needs to adopt the FIBA defensive rules.

No defensive 3 or (2.9 as NBA coaches and players refer to it) should be a must. Stop punishing shot blockers for eating up space and being big. If you want them out of the key, move them the old fashioned way... by putting them in P&R actions or running sets or having big bodies throw screens at them.

The goaltend rule and the physicality in the key should also be adopted. I'd much rather see tough physical play rather than this "don't touch me" crap that we currently have. I'm not just talking about the jockeying for position under the rim. That is STILL a physical war in the NBA that is virtually never called. A streaking ball handler coming through the lane however will almost always draw a foul when the opposing big even waves at them.

The bigs are so nerfed in the NBA it's ridiculous. They don't even have their own All Star position, yet the skillset of a center is so different.


The 3 second rule doesn't prevent bigs from protecting the paint, but they do need to be able to move their feet fast enough. Do we need to change the rules to make the game easier for slow-lumbering bigs who's primary talent are that they're really tall or heavy?

I love the idea of eliminating rules and simplifying the game whenever possible, but after legalizing zone defenses this does not seem like a good idea for the NBA.


It totally opens up the lane. Just look at Giannis's FGA per game in the NBA versus FIBA

If Gobert is watching the middle, and is mentally in tune with the 2.9, he slides out of the key and gets BURNED on the weakside or by a ball handler going right down the middle. By the time he recovers it's either too late, or he's created an And One because any contact NEAR the rim is considered a foul in the NBA
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#63 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:22 pm

They aren't going to do this cold. The only way it happens is make it a 5 second rule and let it be implemented and experimented in the G League first.
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#64 » by RCM88x » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:22 pm

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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#65 » by peZt » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:23 pm

Oh god please don't. The last thing the NBA needs to do is getting rid of the defensive 3 second rule.
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#66 » by CoachD » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:24 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:Not sure why they have to change the rules. The refs need to be less biased, sure. But this game is great as it is.

The NBA's rules are better. The refs just need to start following their own rulebook and start calling it consistently. Like Harden's travels.


The current NBA rules are designed to artificially increase scoring (with open attempts at the rim and FTA) and are meant to nerf the interior defenses

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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#67 » by The Real Dalic » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:26 pm

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JimmerAllStar wrote:NBA == AND1

FIBA is real basketball. NBA is just a gimmick for fans who like to see trick shots.



Sadly this is true.
The next best thing is the NCAA in terms of real ball, but the talent level is just so much better at FIBA.

So why are you repping the Raptors so hard if it's "not real basketball?" Why not just go watch the Euroleague if you want those rules? Cause I certainly don't wanna watch that boring crap in the NBA.
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#68 » by crkone » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:27 pm

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crkone wrote:
CoachD wrote:

Old school logic.


In 2019 / 2020, that P&R could be a P&P with a center draining 3s. That cannot be tolerated by the guy sitting in the RA


And if that center doesn't shoot over 50% from behind the arc on 3 pointers on wide open shots, it's still a worse shot than an open shot at the rim. This is the exact defense the Bucks played last season and why they lead the league in percentage at the rim defended, and lead the league on defense. The only reason they occasionally changed it was in the tiny chance a big man got hot for a game. It's why the Raptors were smart to take away the paint by doubling and tripling the paint while letting Bucks role players die by the open 3s.



Re-read your comments.

You are literally making my point as to why the FIBA rules would make a better game


No I'm not, read again. It would make it a slower, plodding game with players who just stand in the center of the floor more than they already do. It would be god awful. They need to open the floor more than it already is by expanding the restricted area/paint and moving the 3 point line back.

And if that center doesn't shoot over 50% from behind the arc on 3 pointers on wide open shots, it's still a worse shot than an open shot at the rim.


So a center would still be better off clogging the lane and letting the other center let it fly. It's not worth guarding. The Bucks took advantage of teams stupidly guarding Lopez except for that one game in 10 he goes off.

This is the exact defense the Bucks played last season and why they lead the league in percentage at the rim defended, and lead the league on defense.


The Bucks took away the rim by cheating their center and not switching whatsoever. This would be massively amplified if there is no 3 second call.

The only reason they occasionally changed it was in the tiny chance a big man got hot for a game. It's why the Raptors were smart to take away the paint by doubling and tripling the paint while letting Bucks role players die by the open 3s.


Again, a big isn't going to open up the defense enough for a smart coach to tell his center to not plod under the rim. That is unless the big is the second coming of Steph in a 7 foot tall frame. An open shot at the rim is always and forever going to be better shot than a wide open shot from beyond the 3 point line. You guard that rim

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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#69 » by The Real Dalic » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:30 pm

CoachD wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Not sure why they have to change the rules. The refs need to be less biased, sure. But this game is great as it is.

The NBA's rules are better. The refs just need to start following their own rulebook and start calling it consistently. Like Harden's travels.


The current NBA rules are designed to artificially increase scoring (with open attempts at the rim and FTA) and are meant to nerf the interior defenses

That's awful ball

No it isn't. The rules haven't changed all that much from 10 years ago. Hell, you could say even 20 to 30 years ago.

The only two differences from years ago is the emergence of players like Curry and other elite shooters and the emphasis on the importance of 3pt shots and the refs calling games softer now. Outside of handchecking and a couple of other rules, not much else has changed.

Well, I guess you could count the flopping as well that the Euro's brought from overseas.
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#70 » by CoachD » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:31 pm

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CoachD wrote:
crkone wrote:
And if that center doesn't shoot over 50% from behind the arc on 3 pointers on wide open shots, it's still a worse shot than an open shot at the rim. This is the exact defense the Bucks played last season and why they lead the league in percentage at the rim defended, and lead the league on defense. The only reason they occasionally changed it was in the tiny chance a big man got hot for a game. It's why the Raptors were smart to take away the paint by doubling and tripling the paint while letting Bucks role players die by the open 3s.



Re-read your comments.

You are literally making my point as to why the FIBA rules would make a better game


No I'm not, read again. It would make it a slower, plodding game with players who just stand in the center of the floor more than they already do. It would be god awful. They need to open the floor more than it already is by expanding the restricted area/paint and moving the 3 point line back.

And if that center doesn't shoot over 50% from behind the arc on 3 pointers on wide open shots, it's still a worse shot than an open shot at the rim.


So a center would still be better off clogging the lane and letting the other center let it fly. It's not worth guarding. The Bucks took advantage of teams stupidly guarding Lopez except for that one game in 10 he goes off.

This is the exact defense the Bucks played last season and why they lead the league in percentage at the rim defended, and lead the league on defense.


The Bucks took away the rim by cheating their center and not switching whatsoever. This would be massively amplified if there is no 3 second call.

The only reason they occasionally changed it was in the tiny chance a big man got hot for a game. It's why the Raptors were smart to take away the paint by doubling and tripling the paint while letting Bucks role players die by the open 3s.


Again, a big isn't going to open up the defense enough for a smart coach to tell his center to not plod under the rim. That is unless the big is the second coming of Steph in a 7 foot tall frame. An open shot at the rim is always and forever going to be better shot than a wide open shot from beyond the 3 point line. You guard that rim


The floor is already WIDE open.
Look at how guys like Harden just stroll to the basket untouched.

Sure, in the 80s, these rules would encourage plodding 7 footers to just stand by the rim... today that ISN"T possible.

Your center would have to contest shooters and recover to defend the paint.

There is NO COACH that is going to tell their coach to just stand in the paint when their man has dropped 5 threes, a couple mid range shots, and is dropping dimes for cutters moving behind the defensive big
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#71 » by crkone » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:38 pm

CoachD wrote:
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crkone wrote:
CoachD wrote:

Re-read your comments.

You are literally making my point as to why the FIBA rules would make a better game


No I'm not, read again. It would make it a slower, plodding game with players who just stand in the center of the floor more than they already do. It would be god awful. They need to open the floor more than it already is by expanding the restricted area/paint and moving the 3 point line back.

And if that center doesn't shoot over 50% from behind the arc on 3 pointers on wide open shots, it's still a worse shot than an open shot at the rim.


So a center would still be better off clogging the lane and letting the other center let it fly. It's not worth guarding. The Bucks took advantage of teams stupidly guarding Lopez except for that one game in 10 he goes off.

This is the exact defense the Bucks played last season and why they lead the league in percentage at the rim defended, and lead the league on defense.


The Bucks took away the rim by cheating their center and not switching whatsoever. This would be massively amplified if there is no 3 second call.

The only reason they occasionally changed it was in the tiny chance a big man got hot for a game. It's why the Raptors were smart to take away the paint by doubling and tripling the paint while letting Bucks role players die by the open 3s.


Again, a big isn't going to open up the defense enough for a smart coach to tell his center to not plod under the rim. That is unless the big is the second coming of Steph in a 7 foot tall frame. An open shot at the rim is always and forever going to be better shot than a wide open shot from beyond the 3 point line. You guard that rim


The floor is already WIDE open.
Look at how guys like Harden just stroll to the basket untouched.

Sure, in the 80s, these rules would encourage plodding 7 footers to just stand by the rim... today that ISN"T possible.

Your center would have to contest shooters and recover to defend the paint.

There is NO COACH that is going to tell their coach to just stand in the paint when their man has dropped 5 threes, a couple mid range shots, and is dropping dimes for cutters moving behind the defensive big


Bud's whole defensive system is Lopez standing in the middle of the floor and only once in a while challenging/switching if someone is hot. It literally happened last season. Now if he is able to just stand at the rim? Say goodbye to all layups, dunks, backdoor passes since that and the front door are closed.

The floor needs to be more open because this is the NBA. It should have the best and most athletic players in the world performing athletic wonders every night on the floor. You can have your technical league 1950s league overseas.

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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#72 » by Zaschrona » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:39 pm

FIBA rules are just better. Defensive 3 seconds just need to go away, I like the shorter 3PT line as it makes easier to defend the paint, goaltending rules are also better. Even that Kawhi's shot is the right example of this league being soft: if you can't make the shot right away, why the defence shouldn't have a chance to stop it going in?

Time-out rules with backcourt violation rules are also better. Travelling needs to be called much more often in the NBA. Technical fouls being counted as regular fouls is also a great thing for the game. This league is just too soft and fake in trying to create stars because it is pretty damn impossible to play real defense in those days. It was funny to see some players trying to defend for the US team, some of them lack basic basketball intelligence only because in today's NBA almost all you need is athleticism and a 3PT shot. FIBA game is much more complex.

Wouldn't even mind 40 minutes games. That would allow teams to have smaller rotations, so we could even expand the league more easily as stars would likely never substitute during the play-offs. It would likely higher the tempo of the game even more. Double-double or even tripple-double would then become a much bigger achievment. In smaller amount of time the possibilities of a surprise would also go higher, so that's good.

Also what needs to become a thing: unsportsmanlike fouls and technicals for flopping.

The only thing that I don't like are rules concerning time and finals two minutes in each quarter/half. NBA should IMO replace 4 of time-outs with it's own version of two-minute warning in the end of each quarter. That would give NBA what they want: TV ads, but it would at least create some extra thing for the game: another buzzer-beater situation + a possibility to use special rules in the final 2 minutes - IMO every foul there should result into FTs and you should have just 14 seconds shot clock, that would give us some crazy situations in the end of each quarter, huge McGrady style turnarounds could then be possible. Remaining 10 time-outs should stay as they are - one time-out per quarter + an extra 20-sec time-out for the final 2 minutes, basically we would get FIBA rules concerning time-outs with the addition of a two-minute warning.
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#73 » by CoachD » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:41 pm

crkone wrote:
CoachD wrote:
Spoiler:
crkone wrote:
No I'm not, read again. It would make it a slower, plodding game with players who just stand in the center of the floor more than they already do. It would be god awful. They need to open the floor more than it already is by expanding the restricted area/paint and moving the 3 point line back.



So a center would still be better off clogging the lane and letting the other center let it fly. It's not worth guarding. The Bucks took advantage of teams stupidly guarding Lopez except for that one game in 10 he goes off.



The Bucks took away the rim by cheating their center and not switching whatsoever. This would be massively amplified if there is no 3 second call.



Again, a big isn't going to open up the defense enough for a smart coach to tell his center to not plod under the rim. That is unless the big is the second coming of Steph in a 7 foot tall frame. An open shot at the rim is always and forever going to be better shot than a wide open shot from beyond the 3 point line. You guard that rim


The floor is already WIDE open.
Look at how guys like Harden just stroll to the basket untouched.

Sure, in the 80s, these rules would encourage plodding 7 footers to just stand by the rim... today that ISN"T possible.

Your center would have to contest shooters and recover to defend the paint.

There is NO COACH that is going to tell their coach to just stand in the paint when their man has dropped 5 threes, a couple mid range shots, and is dropping dimes for cutters moving behind the defensive big


Bud's whole defensive system is Lopez standing in the middle of the floor and only once in a while challenging/switching if someone is hot. It literally happened last season. Now if he is able to just stand at the rim? Say goodbye to all layups, dunks, backdoor passes since that and the front door are closed.

The floor needs to be more open because this is the NBA. It should have the best and most athletic players in the world performing athletic wonders every night on the floor. You can have your technical league 1950s league overseas.


How effective was that system when Ibaka drained elbow jumper after elbow jumper in every regular season game against the Bucks and in the playoffs? Ibaka led the league in % from that spot, and still was left wide open...

And then Gasol draining 3s and being left open to facilitate the offense....

This was a BIG reason the Bucks got backdoor swept...

So no, it wouldn't be the way you describe.
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules (Poll Added) 

Post#74 » by DoItALL9 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:42 pm

I'd only support getting rid of 3 seconds calls for offense and defense or not at all.

Otoh,
The NBA could make the key more narrow. It could go back down in size. It could be a "key" again!

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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#75 » by crkone » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:43 pm

CoachD wrote:
crkone wrote:
CoachD wrote:
Spoiler:


The floor is already WIDE open.
Look at how guys like Harden just stroll to the basket untouched.

Sure, in the 80s, these rules would encourage plodding 7 footers to just stand by the rim... today that ISN"T possible.

Your center would have to contest shooters and recover to defend the paint.

There is NO COACH that is going to tell their coach to just stand in the paint when their man has dropped 5 threes, a couple mid range shots, and is dropping dimes for cutters moving behind the defensive big


Bud's whole defensive system is Lopez standing in the middle of the floor and only once in a while challenging/switching if someone is hot. It literally happened last season. Now if he is able to just stand at the rim? Say goodbye to all layups, dunks, backdoor passes since that and the front door are closed.

The floor needs to be more open because this is the NBA. It should have the best and most athletic players in the world performing athletic wonders every night on the floor. You can have your technical league 1950s league overseas.


How effective was that system when Ibaka drained elbow jumper after elbow jumper in every regular season game against the Bucks and in the playoffs? Ibaka led the league in % from that spot, and still was left wide open...

And then Gasol draining 3s and being left open to facilitate the offense....

This was a BIG reason the Bucks got backdoor swept...

So no, it wouldn't be the way you describe.


It couldn't be that they completely took away Giannis from scoring in the paint. No it couldn't be that. :lol:

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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#76 » by CoachD » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:43 pm

Zaschrona wrote:FIBA rules are just better. Defensive 3 seconds just need to go away, I like the shorter 3PT line as it makes easier to defend the paint, goaltending rules are also better. Even that Kawhi's shot is the right example of this league being soft: if you can't make the shot right away, why the defence shouldn't have a chance to stop it going in?

Time-out rules with backcourt violation rules are also better. Travelling needs to be called much more often in the NBA. Technical fouls being counted as regular fouls is also a great thing for the game. This league is just too soft and fake in trying to create stars because it is pretty damn impossible to play real defense in those days. It was funny to see some players trying to defend for the US team, some of them lack basic basketball intelligence only because in today's NBA almost all you need is athleticism and a 3PT shot. FIBA game is much more complex.

Wouldn't even mind 40 minutes games. That would allow teams to have smaller rotations, so we could even expand the league more easily as stars would likely never substitute during the play-offs. It would likely higher the tempo of the game even more. Double-double or even tripple-double would then become a much bigger achievment. In smaller amount of time the possibilities of a surprise would also go higher, so that's good.

Also what needs to become a thing: unsportsmanlike fouls and technicals for flopping.

The only thing that I don't like are rules concerning time and finals two minutes in each quarter/half. NBA should IMO replace 4 of time-outs with it's own version of two-minute warning in the end of each quarter. That would give NBA what they want: TV ads, but it would at least create some extra thing for the game: another buzzer-beater situation + a possibility to use special rules in the final 2 minutes - IMO every foul there should result into FTs and you should have just 14 seconds shot clock, that would give us some crazy situations in the end of each quarter, huge McGrady style turnarounds could then be possible. Remaining 10 time-outs should stay as they are - one time-out per quarter + an extra 20-sec time-out for the final 2 minutes, basically we would get FIBA rules concerning time-outs with the addition of a two-minute warning.


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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#77 » by CoachD » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:44 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:
CoachD wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:Not sure why they have to change the rules. The refs need to be less biased, sure. But this game is great as it is.

The NBA's rules are better. The refs just need to start following their own rulebook and start calling it consistently. Like Harden's travels.


The current NBA rules are designed to artificially increase scoring (with open attempts at the rim and FTA) and are meant to nerf the interior defenses

That's awful ball

No it isn't. The rules haven't changed all that much from 10 years ago. Hell, you could say even 20 to 30 years ago.

The only two differences from years ago is the emergence of players like Curry and other elite shooters and the emphasis on the importance of 3pt shots and the refs calling games softer now. Outside of handchecking and a couple of other rules, not much else has changed.

Well, I guess you could count the flopping as well that the Euro's brought from overseas.


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Post#78 » by CoachD » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:45 pm

crkone wrote:
CoachD wrote:
crkone wrote:
Bud's whole defensive system is Lopez standing in the middle of the floor and only once in a while challenging/switching if someone is hot. It literally happened last season. Now if he is able to just stand at the rim? Say goodbye to all layups, dunks, backdoor passes since that and the front door are closed.

The floor needs to be more open because this is the NBA. It should have the best and most athletic players in the world performing athletic wonders every night on the floor. You can have your technical league 1950s league overseas.


How effective was that system when Ibaka drained elbow jumper after elbow jumper in every regular season game against the Bucks and in the playoffs? Ibaka led the league in % from that spot, and still was left wide open...

And then Gasol draining 3s and being left open to facilitate the offense....

This was a BIG reason the Bucks got backdoor swept...

So no, it wouldn't be the way you describe.


It couldn't be that they completely took away Giannis from scoring in the paint. No it couldn't be that. :lol:


Yup, that's a huge piece. But they also had to score. And WHERE were they finding points when Bud was trying to use similar paint protection to the Raps?
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules 

Post#79 » by The Real Dalic » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:49 pm

CoachD wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
CoachD wrote:
The current NBA rules are designed to artificially increase scoring (with open attempts at the rim and FTA) and are meant to nerf the interior defenses

That's awful ball

No it isn't. The rules haven't changed all that much from 10 years ago. Hell, you could say even 20 to 30 years ago.

The only two differences from years ago is the emergence of players like Curry and other elite shooters and the emphasis on the importance of 3pt shots and the refs calling games softer now. Outside of handchecking and a couple of other rules, not much else has changed.

Well, I guess you could count the flopping as well that the Euro's brought from overseas.


Your facts are so wrong, I don't even know where to start

Go ahead and start then. Educate me. Don't just say some vague stuff and move on.

Players are getting better, they're jacking up more 3's and running more, and there are advanced stats now that shows the best and most effecient ways to score.

But sure, lets let people swat the ball off the rim because someone didn't swish the shot. So exciting.
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Re: Adopt the FIBA rules (Poll Added) 

Post#80 » by Clyde Frazier » Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:51 pm

I'd be all for it if they didn't allow it on free throws. Looks completely unnatural.

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