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Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:24 pm
by LakerLegend
Just a fun offseason topic for those curious:

Jordan:

MICHAEL JORDAN'S VERTICAL JUMP
Krugh _l LeVeau B
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, NC
PURPOSE The purpose of this study, which was part of an advanced
master's motion analysis class project in 1983, was to determine Michael Jordan's maximum vertical jump.
SUBJEa Michael Jordan
METHODS: Surface markers: Left lateral malleolus, left femoral epicondyle, left greater trochanter, left pelvic crest and right distal phalanges of digits 2 and 3 of the hand.
Tasks (in order) were:
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed-baseline
Vertical reach during a jump from standing
Vertical reach during a jump from running
Vertical reach during a 1-hand dunk
Vertical reach during a 2-hand dunk
All tasks except baseline vertical reach were done with free swing of
the upper limb(s). Equipment and instrumentation: Camera, lighting, markers, meter stick, and standard basketball. Location: Carmichael Gymnasium, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
DATA ANALYSIS: Distance measurements were analyzed by comparison to a meter stick in view of the camera. Displacement measure
ments of reach (pelvis) involved measurement of vertical height to
the tip of fingers 2 and 3 (pelvis) during a task minus vertical height
to the tip of fingers 2 and 3 (pelvis) during bilateral flat-footed
stance. Velocity measurements were analyzed by dividing vertical
height distance traveled divided by time taken for the tasks. A
VanGuard Motion Analyzer was used to analyze motion frame by
frame.

RESULTS: Maximum measurements:
Vertical reach while standing flat-footed 93.67 in.
Floor to pelvic crest while standing 49.00 in.
Vertical reach displacement during a jump 35.93 in.
from standing
Vertical displacement of the pelvis during a 38.07 in.
jump from running
Vertical velocity during a jump from running 6500.00"/sec
Vertical reach displacement during a jump 45.76 in.
from running
Vertical reach displacement during 41.70 in.
a 1-hand dunk
Vertical reach displacement during 40.93 in.
a 2-hand dunk


During the vertical reach from standing, push from the floor was
with both feet. During the vertical reach during a jump from running, push from the floor was with oncfoot and momentum of the
body, two upper limbs, and one lower limb was used to the maximum.
CONCLUSION/CLJNICAL RELEVAN=. Maximum displacement
for vertical reach was achieved with a jump from a running start, a
2-hand dunk, a 1-hand dunk, and a jump from standing, respectively.
This is consistent with use of momentum of the body and limbs to
assist with the vertical displacement. Michael Jordan's vertical jump
ability during several tasks provides a standard with which athletic
achievement by others can be compared.


https://www.jospt.org/doi/pdf/10.2519/jospt.1999.29.1.A1

Although his running vert being 10 inches higher than his standing vert is...suspect.


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LeBron James

Nike said a player landing after a 32-inch vertical leap (James has a 40-inch vertical)


https://www.oregonlive.com/playbooks-profits/2014/09/lebron_12_nike_lebron_james.html

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Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leap Measurements

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:30 pm
by knicks512
This gonna turn into a d*ck measurement thread between MJ and Lebron stans real quick.

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:57 pm
by Dominator83
Gerald Green would be the real GOAT if we went by this

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:29 am
by LKN
MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:59 am
by My Main Man
Zach Lavine had a 46” vertical recorded in his predraft workout with the Lakers. Absolutely insane.

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:21 am
by freethedevil
LKN wrote:MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much

What I wanna know how giannis and jordan's vertical compares. Giannis atheltically has done the same things mj has done while being bigger and faster. Can he straight up match jordan's quickness, flexibility and leap, or is he mj lite there

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:32 am
by LKN
freethedevil wrote:
LKN wrote:MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much

What I wanna know how giannis and jordan's vertical compares. Giannis atheltically has done the same things mj has done while being bigger and faster. Can he straight up match jordan's quickness, flexibility and leap, or is he mj lite there


Giannis isn't really that close to MJ in quickness (or first step)....although he's certainly very quick for his size (which is a big reason he's such a monster defensively). I doubt his vertical is as high... but he's so long that IMO it doesn't really matter (length is better than vertical leap anyways since it's easier to make it useful during a game). Pure sprinting speed? Maybe - although I don't think that's particularly important in basketball (quickness is IMO far more important).

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:37 am
by freethedevil
LKN wrote:
freethedevil wrote:
LKN wrote:MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much

What I wanna know how giannis and jordan's vertical compares. Giannis atheltically has done the same things mj has done while being bigger and faster. Can he straight up match jordan's quickness, flexibility and leap, or is he mj lite there


Giannis isn't really that close to MJ in quickness (or first step)....although he's certainly very quick for his size (which is a big reason he's such a monster defensively). I doubt his vertical is as high... but he's so long that IMO it doesn't really matter (length is better than vertical leap anyways since it's easier to make it useful during a game).

I mean as in how high they'd reach which would be a combinaton of height and jump.
Pure sprinting speed? Maybe - although I don't think that's particularly important in basketball (quickness is IMO far more important).

Westbrook, Lebron and literally any great transition player disagree with you. That applies both to defense and offense.

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:39 am
by LKN
freethedevil wrote:
LKN wrote:
freethedevil wrote:What I wanna know how giannis and jordan's vertical compares. Giannis atheltically has done the same things mj has done while being bigger and faster. Can he straight up match jordan's quickness, flexibility and leap, or is he mj lite there


Giannis isn't really that close to MJ in quickness (or first step)....although he's certainly very quick for his size (which is a big reason he's such a monster defensively). I doubt his vertical is as high... but he's so long that IMO it doesn't really matter (length is better than vertical leap anyways since it's easier to make it useful during a game).

I mean as in how high they'd reach which would be a combinaton of height and jump.
Pure sprinting speed? Maybe - although I don't think that's particularly important in basketball (quickness is IMO far more important).

Westbrook, Lebron and literally any great transition player disagree with you. That applies both to defense and offense.


How high? Yeah good question - I'm going to be lazy and not look up Giannis's standing reach but I'd guess he'd be able to get higher

Not particularly important may be too strong.. but it's certainly less important than quickness. Being straight up slow is certainly bad of course

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:52 am
by D.Brasco
LKN wrote:MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much


LeBron was doing this at 260 lbs+

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The force generated by LeBron to get that high was for sure higher than what it took MJ to get-up who was probably about 200-205 lbs during his athletic peak.

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:00 am
by LKN
D.Brasco wrote:
LKN wrote:MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much


LeBron was doing this at 260 lbs+

Image
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The force generated by LeBron to get that high was for sure higher than what it took MJ to get-up who was probably about 200-205 lbs during his athletic peak.


Ok? I mean yes - basic physics says that it takes more force for a heavier person to jump.... and? Not sure what your point is.

I honestly don't really care who jumped higher but generally shorter/lighter people are more likely to have a higher vertical (although that's obviously not always true).

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:10 am
by freethedevil
LKN wrote:
freethedevil wrote:
LKN wrote:
Giannis isn't really that close to MJ in quickness (or first step)....although he's certainly very quick for his size (which is a big reason he's such a monster defensively). I doubt his vertical is as high... but he's so long that IMO it doesn't really matter (length is better than vertical leap anyways since it's easier to make it useful during a game).

I mean as in how high they'd reach which would be a combinaton of height and jump.
Pure sprinting speed? Maybe - although I don't think that's particularly important in basketball (quickness is IMO far more important).

Westbrook, Lebron and literally any great transition player disagree with you. That applies both to defense and offense.


How high? Yeah good question - I'm going to be lazy and not look up Giannis's standing reach but I'd guess he'd be able to get higher


It's not that simple. How fast you are in terms of sprint lowers how quick you need to be to get past people. Though, it's probably more ueful to break things down to acceleration speed. But that aside, the longer your strides, the less you have to manuever to get where you need to go. Off course quickness allows you to get away with less speed. It's probably equally important if anything.Not
Being straight up slow is certainly bad of course

Cries in harden.

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:17 am
by Triples333
D.Brasco wrote:
LKN wrote:MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much


LeBron was doing this at 260 lbs+

Image
Image

The force generated by LeBron to get that high was for sure higher than what it took MJ to get-up who was probably about 200-205 lbs during his athletic peak.

Not a particularly outlandish athletic play there when comparing to other NBA Goat athletes. LeBron has much more impressive feats himself.

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:19 am
by LKN
Honestly if you really want to analyze jumping you'd have to look at 1 foot jumps vs 2 foot jumps and such.

You know what my take is? Both MJ and Lebron jump plenty high enough to be awesome at basketball

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:27 am
by Lalouie
D.Brasco wrote:
LKN wrote:MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much


LeBron was doing this at 260 lbs+

Image
Image

The force generated by LeBron to get that high was for sure higher than what it took MJ to get-up who was probably about 200-205 lbs during his athletic peak.



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Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:36 am
by D.Brasco
Triples333 wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
LKN wrote:MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much


LeBron was doing this at 260 lbs+

Image
Image

The force generated by LeBron to get that high was for sure higher than what it took MJ to get-up who was probably about 200-205 lbs during his athletic peak.

Not a particularly outlandish athletic play there when comparing to other NBA Goat athletes. LeBron has much more impressive feats himself.


Feats yes but I was just using this to showcase his verticality. The fact LeBron made ducking his head out of the way of the rim seem almost mundane is a testament to what kind of athlete he was/is.

As for vert shorter smaller players will always have a higher vert absolutely. But what a LeBron or Zion can do at their size will always seem more impressive to me than a Zach Levine for example.

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:39 am
by LakerLegend
D.Brasco wrote:
Triples333 wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
LeBron was doing this at 260 lbs+

Image
Image

The force generated by LeBron to get that high was for sure higher than what it took MJ to get-up who was probably about 200-205 lbs during his athletic peak.

Not a particularly outlandish athletic play there when comparing to other NBA Goat athletes. LeBron has much more impressive feats himself.


Feats yes but I was just using this to showcase his verticality. The fact LeBron made ducking his head out of the way of the rim seem almost mundane is a testament to what kind of athlete he was/is.

As for vert shorter smaller players will always have a higher vert absolutely. But what a LeBron or Zion can do at their size will always seem more impressive to me than a Zach Levine for example.


Not when he was doing plenty of "supplementation".

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:42 am
by lakerz12
D.Brasco wrote:
Triples333 wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
LeBron was doing this at 260 lbs+

Image
Image

The force generated by LeBron to get that high was for sure higher than what it took MJ to get-up who was probably about 200-205 lbs during his athletic peak.

Not a particularly outlandish athletic play there when comparing to other NBA Goat athletes. LeBron has much more impressive feats himself.


Feats yes but I was just using this to showcase his verticality. The fact LeBron made ducking his head out of the way of the rim seem almost mundane is a testament to what kind of athlete he was/is.

As for vert shorter smaller players will always have a higher vert absolutely. But what a LeBron or Zion can do at their size will always seem more impressive to me than a Zach Levine for example.


It's way easier to jump when you're not holding the ball.

Lots of elite athletes can put their head near the rim without the ball. It's impressive but not that rare.

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:53 am
by Triples333
D.Brasco wrote:
Triples333 wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
LeBron was doing this at 260 lbs+

Image
Image

The force generated by LeBron to get that high was for sure higher than what it took MJ to get-up who was probably about 200-205 lbs during his athletic peak.

Not a particularly outlandish athletic play there when comparing to other NBA Goat athletes. LeBron has much more impressive feats himself.


Feats yes but I was just using this to showcase his verticality. The fact LeBron made ducking his head out of the way of the rim seem almost mundane is a testament to what kind of athlete he was/is.

As for vert shorter smaller players will always have a higher vert absolutely. But what a LeBron or Zion can do at their size will always seem more impressive to me than a Zach Levine for example.

Well, we know he's a GOAT level athlete in the NBA, but that play just wasn't that impressive imo. A super athletic 6'8'' dudes eyes went 3 inches below the rim while jumping without the ball with zero agility or contact involved. OK?

Re: Michael Jordan and LeBron James Vertical Leaps Revealed

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:58 am
by Pelly24
freethedevil wrote:
LKN wrote:MJ very likely has a better vertical since he's shorter/lighter. Not that it really matters that much

What I wanna know how giannis and jordan's vertical compares. Giannis atheltically has done the same things mj has done while being bigger and faster. Can he straight up match jordan's quickness, flexibility and leap, or is he mj lite there


I don't even want to hate on Giannis, but he doesn't really compare to MJ in any way athletically. He's literally at least two notches below in every category but strength. When he came into the league his max vertical was measured at like 33, but it's probably increased. I don't think it's higher than 36, though. His head never goes above the rim, but he's very long so he dunks easily. He's insanely quick and fast for his height, too.

Still, MJ was 6'5" 6'6" and was one of the quickest and fastest guards in the league until like 1996.

Giannis is a great athlete, but it's more about his size in conjunction with very good pure athleticism as opposed to All-Time Great