ClipsFanSince98 wrote: TerryTate wrote:
You're dead wrong about everything Clippers related. For one Kawhi isn't on load management. Kawhi, Doc, Frank have already openly said this. He will play every game he's healthy. All parties have said Kawhi was on such strict load management last year because he went into the season injured and hadn't played the year before. There are no plans to rest him. Doc said health is priority, but he's not going to just sit him due to "load management". Clippers beat writers are saying the coaches expect Kawhi to play 70+ potentially.
Then secondly PG was NEVER facing 1-2 months out. That was a random Bill Simmons myth that the rest of media ran with. His timeline for grade 2 rotator cuff tear was always 5-6 months. That's Oct 7th-Nov 7th. Missing no games to missing maybe 5-6 games. He's already shoulder pressing 50s in each hand and on the court doing everything with the team besides contact scrimmaging. Not sure on what planet you come up with 1-2 months missed. Honestly with how far ahead PG looks right now I would not be surprised if he goes through training camp, sits most of preseason but is ready for the opener.
I'm glad you believe the BS that they say to the media..... but it's nice to be objectively thinking instead taking everything face value.
Rivers said this two days ago....... "Rivers said he doesn’t expect the Clippers will employ as “aggressive” a load management plan with Leonard as the Raptors did last season"
. That kind of implies that they will be load managing him.
Clippers beat writers..... expect him to play 70 games? Kawhi, hit > 70 games, 2 out of this 8 years in the NBA. Between the clipper beat writers opinion and the "light" load management, I'd say 70+ games is going to be hard.
Anything I've googled on PG injury has said "undisclosed" timeline with minimum being out all of October. I mean why rush him back? 2-3 extra weeks off isn't going to hurt the Clips. Whatever it's your franchise.... It's not like with the Clippers talent that they'd be <.500 without Kawhi or PG. I'm gonna reference the Markennen injury from last year. They also said early november mid summer, and then it shifted to Christmas. I mean things drag out...
It's not like I'm trying to discredit your team. I'm just being realistic.
Are you really wanting to cherry pick against a Clippers fan with a vested interest in this, who is literally obsessed with his team? Not a smart road to go down. Kawhi in his press conference is the first one to say he's not on "load management" and will take it game by game. As for last week Doc/Frank emphasized that the reason for aggressive load management in Toronto was because he went into the season injured to begin with and hadn't played the year before much. My personal feeling is he KNEW he didn't plan on sticking around in Toronto for the long haul and didn't want to jeopardize his future in free agency etc.
Also you admit they won't have as aggressive of a load management plan with him... yet have an issue with me saying a plan of 70? Isn't that just 8 or 9 more games than Toronto played him? In a season where he's even healthier? Not sure what you are picking at here. So you post those quotes, then fight me over an 8 game difference, despite those quotes saying his rest won't be as aggressive lol?
As for PG... simple logic, deduction and research go a long way. The prognosis was ALWAYS to assess him going into training camp, but we can use a little fact finding and piece this together, so I'll explain a little more clearly how I came to my conclusions.
1. Paul George had surgery for a grade 2 rotator cuff tear on May 7th. The timeline for full recovery for this injury in every medical publication I can find is 5-6 months, which INCLUDES strength training rehab and conditioning. He then had a 2nd surgery to repair a minor labrum tear on the other shoulder June 11th (at which point Dr's stated did NOT affect the original timeline from the rotator cuff tear). The 5-6 month timeline is October 7th-Nov 7th range. Either missing 0 games, or missing 8-9 games (depending if he plays on the actual 7th or next game on 11th).
Paul George had successful surgery on his left shoulder to repair a tear in his labrum, per a Thunder spokesperson. Recovery timetable is the same it was when he had surgery on his right shoulder a few weeks ago — reassessed around the start of training camp.
— Royce Young (@royceyoung) June 11, 2019
George has been in the training facility practicing and weightlifting for nearly three weeks, as we’ve seen on Instagram. His on-court work has primarily consisted of shooting and finishing-at-the-rim exercises, one-on-one drills to keep his isolation skills sharp and free throws. He has yet to return to full-contact action. But that hasn’t prevented from being in the gym every day, including making late-night trips with Leonard and Lou Williams. “He’s made great progress,” Frank said. “He works his tail off. He’s been terrific. We have a great performance, health and wellness staff. … We put it in their hands. He works extremely hard. He’s extremely excited and motivated. I’m sure you guys have seen some of the stuff that’s been posted. He gets after it.”
2. If you look at the actual exercises he's doing, and you know even a basic amount of physiology or medicine, you can tell how close he is. He's shoulder pressing heavy weights unassisted for the last few weeks now. He's getting up hundreds of shots. He's dunking hard. Literally the ONLY thing he's NOT doing yet is full contact play with teammates. That's simply a formality because he hasn't been cleared yet (he's expected to see a Dr this week before training camp). The idea that he could still be 2 months away is asinine. I'd literally bet $500 right now that he suits up in October, even if he misses preseason.
3. The source of the random "PG is going to miss months" was a random Bill Simmons tidbit, in which he gave literally ZERO evidence, stated zero source and admitted it was just a haunch or gut feeling. Shortly after that, all of the media started randomly parroting this, also without any sources. Woj for example has never reported on this.