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KFL wrote:wow one preseason game and already the bashing. That must be a record

MagicBagley18 wrote:I agree with you and I said as much on the Celtics sub....all he’s saying is it may have been different if he knew that, not that it would have made him come back- perhaps he considers it more.

RHODEY wrote:Funny how the BSPN analysts couldn't see this coming .No interior defense... You lose Morris, Horford, and Baynes, replace that with Kanter and what did they expect?Instead of talking about the Celts being a top 4 Eastern team and whether Kemba could replace Kyrie , they needed to be asking if they can even make the playoffs as a "donut" team.

VDT wrote:Noone expects the Celtics to do much this year so they cant really be exposed.

However Ainge should take some blame for the Celtics current situation. The Bucks, the Lakers and the Sixers started their rebuild at the same time as the Celtics and they are comfortably better right now despite the fact that the Celtics started with much more assets. The Nets started even later and with no picks and they are better. Even the Magic that have been run terribly in the past years might have a better future. Even the Raptors that were going nowhere managed to build a contender.

Now some of it is bad luck, if Durant was more competitive and signed with the Celtics things would be different. Bu some of it is also on Ainge, who seems quite conservative in his moves and i am not talking about the trades only. He chose Olynyk instead of Giannis. He decided not to tank even though he didn't know how high the Nets picks would be and even though an IT led team of roleplayers had no future.

The team he constructed last year had no chemistry and part of the blame is on Ainge.

And the larger picture is that in all these years of the rebuild the Celtics never came particularly close to acquiring a franchise player, something that the Bucks, the Sixers and the Lakers have already done. Meanwhile Ainge never tried to risk anything (tank or a trade) to get one.

FlatearthZorro wrote:

VDT wrote:Noone expects the Celtics to do much this year so they cant really be exposed.

However Ainge should take some blame for the Celtics current situation. The Bucks, the Lakers and the Sixers started their rebuild at the same time as the Celtics and they are comfortably better right now despite the fact that the Celtics started with much more assets. The Nets started even later and with no picks and they are better. Even the Magic that have been run terribly in the past years might have a better future. Even the Raptors that were going nowhere managed to build a contender.

Now some of it is bad luck, if Durant was more competitive and signed with the Celtics things would be different. Bu some of it is also on Ainge, who seems quite conservative in his moves and i am not talking about the trades only. He chose Olynyk instead of Giannis. He decided not to tank even though he didn't know how high the Nets picks would be and even though an IT led team of roleplayers had no future.

The team he constructed last year had no chemistry and part of the blame is on Ainge.

And the larger picture is that in all these years of the rebuild the Celtics never came particularly close to acquiring a franchise player, something that the Bucks, the Sixers and the Lakers have already done. Meanwhile Ainge never tried to risk anything (tank or a trade) to get one.

Wut? The Bucks and the Lakers? First the Bucks were a lottery team when we were a top seeded team in the East. Second, Lakers "rebuild" is signing James, who wanted to be there and everybody knew that and then throwing the kitchen sink at the Pels to get Davis and during that time Davis and his agent making sure nobody bids for him. That's a fantastic rebuild. I'm sure this was all planned by the Lakers and not LBJ and Rich Paul.

LloydFree wrote:

FlatearthZorro wrote:

VDT wrote:Noone expects the Celtics to do much this year so they cant really be exposed.

However Ainge should take some blame for the Celtics current situation. The Bucks, the Lakers and the Sixers started their rebuild at the same time as the Celtics and they are comfortably better right now despite the fact that the Celtics started with much more assets. The Nets started even later and with no picks and they are better. Even the Magic that have been run terribly in the past years might have a better future. Even the Raptors that were going nowhere managed to build a contender.

Now some of it is bad luck, if Durant was more competitive and signed with the Celtics things would be different. Bu some of it is also on Ainge, who seems quite conservative in his moves and i am not talking about the trades only. He chose Olynyk instead of Giannis. He decided not to tank even though he didn't know how high the Nets picks would be and even though an IT led team of roleplayers had no future.

The team he constructed last year had no chemistry and part of the blame is on Ainge.

And the larger picture is that in all these years of the rebuild the Celtics never came particularly close to acquiring a franchise player, something that the Bucks, the Sixers and the Lakers have already done. Meanwhile Ainge never tried to risk anything (tank or a trade) to get one.

Wut? The Bucks and the Lakers? First the Bucks were a lottery team when we were a top seeded team in the East. Second, Lakers "rebuild" is signing James, who wanted to be there and everybody knew that and then throwing the kitchen sink at the Pels to get Davis and during that time Davis and his agent making sure nobody bids for him. That's a fantastic rebuild. I'm sure this was all planned by the Lakers and not LBJ and Rich Paul.

B.S.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_ratings.html

All of this started in the tank year of 2013-14 (the Wiggins draft). The Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics were all starting rebuilds at the same time. And 5 years later the Celtics are behind all but the Magic. And even that is debatable right now.

BoogieTime wrote:They literally have the worst set of bigs in the league

That has to be on Ainge

LloydFree wrote:

FlatearthZorro wrote:

VDT wrote:Noone expects the Celtics to do much this year so they cant really be exposed.

However Ainge should take some blame for the Celtics current situation. The Bucks, the Lakers and the Sixers started their rebuild at the same time as the Celtics and they are comfortably better right now despite the fact that the Celtics started with much more assets. The Nets started even later and with no picks and they are better. Even the Magic that have been run terribly in the past years might have a better future. Even the Raptors that were going nowhere managed to build a contender.

Now some of it is bad luck, if Durant was more competitive and signed with the Celtics things would be different. Bu some of it is also on Ainge, who seems quite conservative in his moves and i am not talking about the trades only. He chose Olynyk instead of Giannis. He decided not to tank even though he didn't know how high the Nets picks would be and even though an IT led team of roleplayers had no future.

The team he constructed last year had no chemistry and part of the blame is on Ainge.

And the larger picture is that in all these years of the rebuild the Celtics never came particularly close to acquiring a franchise player, something that the Bucks, the Sixers and the Lakers have already done. Meanwhile Ainge never tried to risk anything (tank or a trade) to get one.

Wut? The Bucks and the Lakers? First the Bucks were a lottery team when we were a top seeded team in the East. Second, Lakers "rebuild" is signing James, who wanted to be there and everybody knew that and then throwing the kitchen sink at the Pels to get Davis and during that time Davis and his agent making sure nobody bids for him. That's a fantastic rebuild. I'm sure this was all planned by the Lakers and not LBJ and Rich Paul.

B.S.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_ratings.html

All of this started in the tank year of 2013-14 (the Wiggins draft). The Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics were all starting rebuilds at the same time. And 5 years later the Celtics are behind all but the Magic. And even that is debatable right now.

FlatearthZorro wrote:

LloydFree wrote:

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Wut? The Bucks and the Lakers? First the Bucks were a lottery team when we were a top seeded team in the East. Second, Lakers "rebuild" is signing James, who wanted to be there and everybody knew that and then throwing the kitchen sink at the Pels to get Davis and during that time Davis and his agent making sure nobody bids for him. That's a fantastic rebuild. I'm sure this was all planned by the Lakers and not LBJ and Rich Paul.

B.S.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_ratings.html

All of this started in the tank year of 2013-14 (the Wiggins draft). The Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics were all starting rebuilds at the same time. And 5 years later the Celtics are behind all but the Magic. And even that is debatable right now.

You're grasping at straws, we were in the lottery ourselves for 1 season, lad. And we have been the most successful out of the above mentioned teams so far. So I don't understand the point? Why do we have to be better than all those teams for such a long period of time, 5 years is a lot? Your argument is awful and you're assuming we will be bad, you don't know that cause the season hasn't started, that's your opinion.

FlatearthZorro wrote:

LloydFree wrote:

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Wut? The Bucks and the Lakers? First the Bucks were a lottery team when we were a top seeded team in the East. Second, Lakers "rebuild" is signing James, who wanted to be there and everybody knew that and then throwing the kitchen sink at the Pels to get Davis and during that time Davis and his agent making sure nobody bids for him. That's a fantastic rebuild. I'm sure this was all planned by the Lakers and not LBJ and Rich Paul.

B.S.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_ratings.html

All of this started in the tank year of 2013-14 (the Wiggins draft). The Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics were all starting rebuilds at the same time. And 5 years later the Celtics are behind all but the Magic. And even that is debatable right now.

You're grasping at straws, we were in the lottery ourselves for 1 season, lad. And we have been the most successful out of the above mentioned teams so far. So I don't understand the point? Why do we have to be better than all those teams for such a long period of time, 5 years is a lot? Your argument is awful and you're assuming we will be bad, you don't know that cause the season hasn't started, that's your opinion.

Celts17Pride wrote:

LloydFree wrote:

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Wut? The Bucks and the Lakers? First the Bucks were a lottery team when we were a top seeded team in the East. Second, Lakers "rebuild" is signing James, who wanted to be there and everybody knew that and then throwing the kitchen sink at the Pels to get Davis and during that time Davis and his agent making sure nobody bids for him. That's a fantastic rebuild. I'm sure this was all planned by the Lakers and not LBJ and Rich Paul.

B.S.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_ratings.html

All of this started in the tank year of 2013-14 (the Wiggins draft). The Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics were all starting rebuilds at the same time. And 5 years later the Celtics are behind all but the Magic. And even that is debatable right now.

Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics

Which of these teams have been to 2 Conference Finals since 2013-2014?

LloydFree wrote:

FlatearthZorro wrote:

LloydFree wrote:B.S.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_ratings.html

All of this started in the tank year of 2013-14 (the Wiggins draft). The Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics were all starting rebuilds at the same time. And 5 years later the Celtics are behind all but the Magic. And even that is debatable right now.

You're grasping at straws, we were in the lottery ourselves for 1 season, lad. And we have been the most successful out of the above mentioned teams so far. So I don't understand the point? Why do we have to be better than all those teams for such a long period of time, 5 years is a lot? Your argument is awful and you're assuming we will be bad, you don't know that cause the season hasn't started, that's your opinion.

The Celtics have been better because they jumped out and signed Al Horford as soon as they got capspace. Don't blame the other teams for choosing the path of rebuilding through complete teardowns, instead of trying to do both at the same time and accomplishing nothing.

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Celtics will be a good, fun team to watch.

But ESPN analysts were acting like they were contenders in the East and a top 3 seed. I don't see that at all.

They basically have no front court depth and are heavily relying on Enes Kanter. And Kemba is no Kyrie.

I see them as a 6-8 seed and first round out. But Tatum and Brown will take a step forward.

LloydFree wrote:

Celts17Pride wrote:

LloydFree wrote:B.S.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_ratings.html

All of this started in the tank year of 2013-14 (the Wiggins draft). The Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics were all starting rebuilds at the same time. And 5 years later the Celtics are behind all but the Magic. And even that is debatable right now.

Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics

Which of these teams have been to 2 Conference Finals since 2013-2014?

LOL. I'm pretty sure the rings they gave out for losing in ECF will be valuable on eBay some day.

VDT wrote:

FlatearthZorro wrote:

LloydFree wrote:B.S.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_ratings.html

All of this started in the tank year of 2013-14 (the Wiggins draft). The Bucks, 76ers, Lakers, Magic and Celtics were all starting rebuilds at the same time. And 5 years later the Celtics are behind all but the Magic. And even that is debatable right now.

You're grasping at straws, we were in the lottery ourselves for 1 season, lad. And we have been the most successful out of the above mentioned teams so far. So I don't understand the point? Why do we have to be better than all those teams for such a long period of time, 5 years is a lot? Your argument is awful and you're assuming we will be bad, you don't know that cause the season hasn't started, that's your opinion.

I think the argument is pretty clear even though you choose not to address it. Teams rebuild in order to build a contender. Having a middling team like Detroit has been the last years is probably the easiest thing in the NBA. All these teams started their rebuild together. The Celtics, although started with many more assets, were never able to build a contender and are now worse than all the other teams who are actually considered contenders.

If you feel the Celtics path was better because they made the playoffs with some IT led teams that were going nowhere you are entitled of course your opinion, but i think most people, including the Celtics fans, would disagree.

Darth Celtic wrote:

LloydFree wrote:

FlatearthZorro wrote:
You're grasping at straws, we were in the lottery ourselves for 1 season, lad. And we have been the most successful out of the above mentioned teams so far. So I don't understand the point? Why do we have to be better than all those teams for such a long period of time, 5 years is a lot? Your argument is awful and you're assuming we will be bad, you don't know that cause the season hasn't started, that's your opinion.

The Celtics have been better because they jumped out and signed Al Horford as soon as they got capspace. Don't blame the other teams for choosing the path of rebuilding through complete teardowns, instead of trying to do both at the same time and accomplishing nothing.

Also wrong, the year before they signed Al they were in the playoffs with Sully/KO at the 5.

itrsteve wrote:

KFL wrote:wow one preseason game and already the bashing. That must be a record

It was drafted up days before the game was even played.

MagicBagley18 wrote:I agree with you and I said as much on the Celtics sub....all he’s saying is it may have been different if he knew that, not that it would have made him come back- perhaps he considers it more.

It's pretty much moot as it was Al's outgoing money that really paved the way for Kemba. It's pretty cool to hear him say that though, definitely validates everything that many of us assumed.

Either way, I'd rather address the capabilities needed in Boston to be filled in his absence now than pay him $27m in the 21/22 & 22/23 seasons when he's 36/37. That's the premium Philly is paying to win now and they have a legit shot at it, can't fault either side.

FlatearthZorro wrote:

VDT wrote:

FlatearthZorro wrote:
You're grasping at straws, we were in the lottery ourselves for 1 season, lad. And we have been the most successful out of the above mentioned teams so far. So I don't understand the point? Why do we have to be better than all those teams for such a long period of time, 5 years is a lot? Your argument is awful and you're assuming we will be bad, you don't know that cause the season hasn't started, that's your opinion.

I think the argument is pretty clear even though you choose not to address it. Teams rebuild in order to build a contender. Having a middling team like Detroit has been the last years is probably the easiest thing in the NBA. All these teams started their rebuild together. The Celtics, although started with many more assets, were never able to build a contender and are now worse than all the other teams who are actually considered contenders.

If you feel the Celtics path was better because they made the playoffs with some IT led teams that were going nowhere you are entitled of course your opinion, but i think most people, including the Celtics fans, would disagree.

Universally, success in the NBA is merited by winning. Only 1 team wins the title in the NBA. We've won more than all of these teams(games, playoff series, etc). As I wrote you're all assuming we will be bad, nothing is set in stone tho and the season hasn't even started. I did address it pretty well, we haven't won a title, but neither have any of above mentioned teams, I think you're using double standards here.

GiannisAnte34 wrote:Ainge was too greedy with his war chest. Tried to rebuild and contend at the same time. Now the Celtics have to pay for it by becoming a treadmill team with limited assets to find a franchise player.