Celtics exposed?

[orlando_joe]

Lol, I love the sound of haters grasping for straws— its beautiful.

lol.i love the sound of dreamers that have 1 quarter of great preseason thinking there great.. sorry didn't magic sweep boston in reg season last yr?

Dreamers? No one thinks the Celtics are great. They are firmly in the 3-7 range in the east with a ceiling of the second round in the playoffs. Whats ridiculous is how everyone castigated Boston because of a preseason game vs Charlotte. Its preseason, it means incredibly little.

As to your last point, id invite you to reread some of my posts in this thread, including one where I said that people shouldnt overreact to preseason games. However, I am absolutely going to clown those who **** all over the Celtics because of their ridiculous extrapolations on one preseason game.

all he said was magic played 4 games in 6 days tired legs and missed open shots you ripped him? and you reason also mine *** all over magic for 12 min of preseason basketball the rest of game teams were equally bad 1 point difference..lol

[SmartWentCrazy]

lol.i love the sound of dreamers that have 1 quarter of great preseason thinking there great.. sorry didn't magic sweep boston in reg season last yr?

Dreamers? No one thinks the Celtics are great. They are firmly in the 3-7 range in the east with a ceiling of the second round in the playoffs. Whats ridiculous is how everyone castigated Boston because of a preseason game vs Charlotte. Its preseason, it means incredibly little.

As to your last point, id invite you to reread some of my posts in this thread, including one where I said that people shouldnt overreact to preseason games. However, I am absolutely going to clown those who **** all over the Celtics because of their ridiculous extrapolations on one preseason game.

all he said was magic played 4 games in 6 days tired legs and missed open shots you ripped him? and you reason also mine *** all over magic for 12 min of preseason basketball the rest of game teams were equally bad 1 point difference..lol

Read his posts in the thread if youre going to attempt to join the conversation at this juncture. He’s moving the goalposts. And the Celtics were up 30 when they finally rested their starters midway thru the 3rd.

Its okay to say you got beat without making excuses. Its just preseason.

[orlando_joe]

Dreamers? No one thinks the Celtics are great. They are firmly in the 3-7 range in the east with a ceiling of the second round in the playoffs. Whats ridiculous is how everyone castigated Boston because of a preseason game vs Charlotte. Its preseason, it means incredibly little.

As to your last point, id invite you to reread some of my posts in this thread, including one where I said that people shouldnt overreact to preseason games. However, I am absolutely going to clown those who **** all over the Celtics because of their ridiculous extrapolations on one preseason game.

all he said was magic played 4 games in 6 days tired legs and missed open shots you ripped him? and you reason also mine *** all over magic for 12 min of preseason basketball the rest of game teams were equally bad 1 point difference..lol

Read his posts in the thread if youre going to attempt to join the conversation at this juncture. He’s moving the goalposts. And the Celtics were up 30 when they finally rested their starters midway thru the 3rd.

Its okay to say you got beat without making excuses. Its just preseason.

yea same as they were up in 1st ..did magic play starters much after that? midway in 3rd..could not watch game have to admit just saw ugly box score.....also admit just read last page..lol..looked like boston fans dumping on magic..all good..i see goalpost moving alot

[LewisnotMiller]

Time for a “Magic exposed?” Thread

They had won three and took the game off. Its pre season. They owned the Celtics last year if I remember correctly. Why go all out for a team you think is cream puff.

Yeah, this is compelling...*rolls eyes*

[itrsteve]

Wrong. The ultimate goal is to win championships, not basketball games. You do that by acquiring star players.

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Good point, now that I think about it, there’s no team I can think of that got a chip without making moves for an established star player.

I forget who did GS and San Antonio get?

Bingo. I think people get wrapped up in moves for the sake of making moves. This star talent doesn't just fall from the sky in most cases (I'm excluding guys like LBJ, AD, Zion who were NBA ready out the gates) it has to be built through experience, coaching and mentorship.

Who the hell were PG, Leonard or Butler when they were coming into the league? They were just dudes playing 2nd, 3rd, 4th fiddle to existing talent (i.e. Danny Granger, where's that guy now?). To put a talent cap on guys like Tatum or Brown this early on is rather short-sighted.

yea same as they were up in 1st ..did magic play starters much after that? midway in 3rd..could not watch game have to admit just saw ugly box score.....also admit just read last page..lol..looked like boston fans dumping on magic..all good..i see goalpost moving alot

In all fairness it was less dumping on Orlando and more gloating about how maybe Boston isn't as "exposed" as everybody wants to make it out to be.

[manlisten]

Dreamers? No one thinks the Celtics are great. They are firmly in the 3-7 range in the east with a ceiling of the second round in the playoffs. Whats ridiculous is how everyone castigated Boston because of a preseason game vs Charlotte. Its preseason, it means incredibly little.

As to your last point, id invite you to reread some of my posts in this thread, including one where I said that people shouldnt overreact to preseason games. However, I am absolutely going to clown those who **** all over the Celtics because of their ridiculous extrapolations on one preseason game.

all he said was magic played 4 games in 6 days tired legs and missed open shots you ripped him? and you reason also mine *** all over magic for 12 min of preseason basketball the rest of game teams were equally bad 1 point difference..lol

Read his posts in the thread if youre going to attempt to join the conversation at this juncture. He’s moving the goalposts. And the Celtics were up 30 when they finally rested their starters midway thru the 3rd.

Its okay to say you got beat without making excuses. Its just preseason.

What goalposts? Boston still has the same issues they did after the first game.

[LewisnotMiller]

It’s funny people want to play small ball and forget the center is the most important position for the defense in basketball. Unless u have a strong 4 defender (aka Paul Milsap) paired with an average center defender. U cannot get away with a center who cannot defend that well. And yes. Milsap helps Jokic out a lot.

So unless Boston’s young bigs improved. It’s gonna to be a young problem for them all season.

Even my sixers realize this program. The minute embiid went out of the game. The center defense became a joke. Teams attack at will. Just image not having rim protection for 30 minutes. Not a good sign for Boston unless Williams can develop or the big fella Fall can give them minutes as well.

Sure. But is anyone arguing that it won't be?
I'd see us as a decent regular season team that will hit a wall in the playoffs unless something changes.

[SmartWentCrazy]

all he said was magic played 4 games in 6 days tired legs and missed open shots you ripped him? and you reason also mine *** all over magic for 12 min of preseason basketball the rest of game teams were equally bad 1 point difference..lol

Read his posts in the thread if youre going to attempt to join the conversation at this juncture. He’s moving the goalposts. And the Celtics were up 30 when they finally rested their starters midway thru the 3rd.

Its okay to say you got beat without making excuses. Its just preseason.

yea same as they were up in 1st ..did magic play starters much after that? midway in 3rd..could not watch game have to admit just saw ugly box score.....also admit just read last page..lol..looked like boston fans dumping on magic..all good..i see goalpost moving alot

The Magic are a great team and firmly in the 3-7 range as well. They had a bad night— it happens and luckily for you guys its only the preseason. They’ll be fine going forward and no one should overreact to this one game.

[The_Hater]

So much ridiculous analysis for a couple of preseason games.

Happens every year as some people really don’t have a clue.

[Snotbubbles]

Wrong. The ultimate goal is to win championships, not basketball games. You do that by acquiring star players.

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Good point, now that I think about it, there’s no team I can think of that got a chip without making moves for an established star player.

I forget who did GS and San Antonio get?

Every rebuild is different. The goal is to acquire stars. Do you need help with who the star players were on those teams?

[LakersSoul]

I didn't understand why they shipped Baynes to Phoenix in what was basically a salary dump.
The guy is an excellent big defender and rim protector. They couldn't have found a use for that, at least situationally?

I believe they were hustling up last minute capspace so they could keep Horford's Caphold and still obtain Kemba. I believe they could have signed Kemba outright, without the Rozier sign and trade, if they renounced Horford's Bird Rights. Once they cleared Baynes and did the sign-and-trade, they could get both players. But Horford screwed them and left anyway.

Considering how they treated his teammate IT and how they wanted to underpay him, why would he be loyal?

[dautjazz]

but they have jayson tatum. he's going to be an MVP

But he's only 14 for another year.

[LloydFree]

I didn't understand why they shipped Baynes to Phoenix in what was basically a salary dump.
The guy is an excellent big defender and rim protector. They couldn't have found a use for that, at least situationally?

I believe they were hustling up last minute capspace so they could keep Horford's Caphold and still obtain Kemba. I believe they could have signed Kemba outright, without the Rozier sign and trade, if they renounced Horford's Bird Rights. Once they cleared Baynes and did the sign-and-trade, they could get both players. But Horford screwed them and left anyway.

Considering how they treated his teammate IT and how they wanted to underpay him, why would he be loyal?

Yep. I think a lot of the deception and surprise decisions by their players, last season, is a result of that.

[Curmudgeon]

Horford's departure was about money, plain and simple. Boston wasn't offering nearly as much as Philly. Ainge upped his offer at the last minute, but Horford had already committed to the Sixers.

The dialogue about "acquiring stars" is just a meaningless cliche. The Warriors didn't acquire stars. They grew them, and had a championship under their belts before a carpetbagging Durant showed up. And winning in the NBA isn't about stars, really. Lot's of teams have stars. Houston has had stars up the wazoo with nothing to show for it. Winning championships is about playing effective team defense. "Stars" are just a product of the NBA's marketing machinery.

Ainge is trying to do the same thing as the Warriors. He may or may not succeed with Tatum and Brown. Stay tuned.

[Gooner]

Horford's departure was about money, plain and simple. Boston wasn't offering nearly as much as Philly. Ainge upped his offer at the last minute, but Horford had already committed to the Sixers.

The dialogue about "acquiring stars" is just a meaningless cliche. The Warriors didn't acquire stars. They grew them, and had a championship under their belts before a carpetbagging Durant showed up. And winning in the NBA isn't about stars, really. Lot's of teams have stars. Houston has had stars up the wazoo with nothing to show for it. Winning championships is about playing effective team defense. "Stars" are just a product of the NBA's marketing machinery.

Ainge is trying to do the same thing as the Warriors. He may or may not succeed with Tatum and Brown. Stay tuned.

Ainge planned to trade Tatum and Brown for davis, with bunch of draft picks. He was all in on getting stars. Brown might be traded anyway.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I believe they were hustling up last minute capspace so they could keep Horford's Caphold and still obtain Kemba. I believe they could have signed Kemba outright, without the Rozier sign and trade, if they renounced Horford's Bird Rights. Once they cleared Baynes and did the sign-and-trade, they could get both players. But Horford screwed them and left anyway.

Considering how they treated his teammate IT and how they wanted to underpay him, why would he be loyal?

Yep. I think a lot of the deception and surprise decisions by their players, last season, is a result of that.

Naw. It had to do with a bad situation where there was a massive divide between young guys and Al vs vets like Morris and Kyrie. Im not going to re-litigate last year, but IT had nothing to do with it —thats just a tired trope by people reaching for criticism of the Celtics.

[Curmudgeon]

Horford's departure was about money, plain and simple. Boston wasn't offering nearly as much as Philly. Ainge upped his offer at the last minute, but Horford had already committed to the Sixers.

The dialogue about "acquiring stars" is just a meaningless cliche. The Warriors didn't acquire stars. They grew them, and had a championship under their belts before a carpetbagging Durant showed up. And winning in the NBA isn't about stars, really. Lot's of teams have stars. Houston has had stars up the wazoo with nothing to show for it. Winning championships is about playing effective team defense. "Stars" are just a product of the NBA's marketing machinery.

Ainge is trying to do the same thing as the Warriors. He may or may not succeed with Tatum and Brown. Stay tuned.

Ainge planned to trade Tatum and Brown for davis, with bunch of draft picks. He was all in on getting stars. Brown might be traded anyway.

He would have traded Tatum for four years of AD. Who wouldn't? But he was not trading Tatum for a one-year rental. And Brown was never in the AD discussion.

But that's water over the dam. Right now the Celtics are built around Tatum, Brown and Smart, along with the two veterans, Hayward and Kemba Walker.

Tatum and Brown are both excellent defenders. They're not just scorers. That's what differentiates them from many other young players drafted in the lat few years.

[LakersSoul]

Considering how they treated his teammate IT and how they wanted to underpay him, why would he be loyal?

Yep. I think a lot of the deception and surprise decisions by their players, last season, is a result of that.

Naw. It had to do with a bad situation where there was a massive divide between young guys and Al vs vets like Morris and Kyrie. Im not going to re-litigate last year, but IT had nothing to do with it —thats just a tired trope by people reaching for criticism of the Celtics.

Maybe but Horford passing on Cs has a lot to do with it. I can see more FAs passing on Cs as long as Ainge is the GM.

[Celts17Pride]

Yep. I think a lot of the deception and surprise decisions by their players, last season, is a result of that.

Naw. It had to do with a bad situation where there was a massive divide between young guys and Al vs vets like Morris and Kyrie. Im not going to re-litigate last year, but IT had nothing to do with it —thats just a tired trope by people reaching for criticism of the Celtics.

Maybe but Horford passing on Cs has a lot to do with it. I can see more FAs passing on Cs as long as Ainge is the GM.

Like Kemba Walker

[SmartWentCrazy]

Yep. I think a lot of the deception and surprise decisions by their players, last season, is a result of that.

Naw. It had to do with a bad situation where there was a massive divide between young guys and Al vs vets like Morris and Kyrie. Im not going to re-litigate last year, but IT had nothing to do with it —thats just a tired trope by people reaching for criticism of the Celtics.

Maybe but Horford passing on Cs has a lot to do with it. I can see more FAs passing on Cs as long as Ainge is the GM.

Horford left due to getting a richer contract, not having to play C anymore and playing for an actual contender.

If players were truly worried about it, Kemba wouldnt have signed there. Hell, if players in general were worried about teams making decisions like this, the Clippers wouldnt have been able to pull off both Kawhi and PG after doing Blake like they did him. Its just a manufactured trope.