How good was Giannis' MVP season?
Posted: Tue Oct 8, 2019 11:28 pm
Far as regular season go, is it in the top 20 all time?
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PistolPeteJR wrote:Why is GOAT even an option...?
EasternHeretic wrote:PistolPeteJR wrote:Why is GOAT even an option...?
More dominant than Shaq in the paint
EasternHeretic wrote:PistolPeteJR wrote:Why is GOAT even an option...?
More dominant than Shaq in the paint
sikma42 wrote:Not even top 50 regular seasons of all time
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Depends what you value. What happened to Giannis in the playoffs was forseeable. Better players prepare there teams for the that stuff (Ive watched Kobe and Lebron do for years). Giannis plays basketball like he is playing checkers. He never thought ahead. For that reason, as great as the numbers looked...the holes were there all season. Its hard to overlook this when Ive seen stars intentionally take there foot off the pedal to get there teams to play championship basketball. So if the goal of the regular season is to prepare to a win a championship...i dont have Giannis too high up there.homecourtloss wrote:sikma42 wrote:Not even top 50 regular seasons of all time
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30+ PER, .290 wins shares per 48+, 10+ Box-plus minus, 7+ value over replacement player has been done 10 times in NBA history (since early ‘70s at least).
LeBron in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013
Jordan in 1988, 1989, 1991
Curry in 2016
David Robinson in 1994
Giannis last year
http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/u43lY
That’s before we even mention his RPM, AuPM, RAPM, PIPM Numbers that measure his impact that puts him into into rarefied territory as a DPOYish caliber player who’s the first option on offense.
sikma42 wrote:Depends what you value. What happened to Giannis in the playoffs was forseeable. Better players prepare there teams for the that stuff (Ive watched Kobe and Lebron do for years). Giannis plays basketball like he is playing checkers. He never thought ahead. For that reason, as great as the numbers looked...the holes were there all season. Its hard to overlook this when Ive seen stars intentionally take there foot off the pedal to get there teams to play championship basketball. So if the goal of the regular season is to prepare to a win a championship...i dont have Giannis too high up there.homecourtloss wrote:sikma42 wrote:Not even top 50 regular seasons of all time
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30+ PER, .290 wins shares per 48+, 10+ Box-plus minus, 7+ value over replacement player has been done 10 times in NBA history (since early ‘70s at least).
LeBron in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013
Jordan in 1988, 1989, 1991
Curry in 2016
David Robinson in 1994
Giannis last year
http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/u43lY
That’s before we even mention his RPM, AuPM, RAPM, PIPM Numbers that measure his impact that puts him into into rarefied territory as a DPOYish caliber player who’s the first option on offense.
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GusT15 wrote:sikma42 wrote:Depends what you value. What happened to Giannis in the playoffs was forseeable. Better players prepare there teams for the that stuff (Ive watched Kobe and Lebron do for years). Giannis plays basketball like he is playing checkers. He never thought ahead. For that reason, as great as the numbers looked...the holes were there all season. Its hard to overlook this when Ive seen stars intentionally take there foot off the pedal to get there teams to play championship basketball. So if the goal of the regular season is to prepare to a win a championship...i dont have Giannis too high up there.homecourtloss wrote:
30+ PER, .290 wins shares per 48+, 10+ Box-plus minus, 7+ value over replacement player has been done 10 times in NBA history (since early ‘70s at least).
LeBron in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013
Jordan in 1988, 1989, 1991
Curry in 2016
David Robinson in 1994
Giannis last year
http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/u43lY
That’s before we even mention his RPM, AuPM, RAPM, PIPM Numbers that measure his impact that puts him into into rarefied territory as a DPOYish caliber player who’s the first option on offense.
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The goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs with the highest seed possible while staying healthy and well conditioned.
This is a regular season thread.One would only mention the playoffs if he had a personal agenda against the player in question.
I don't suppose you have one...do you?
GusT15 wrote:
This is a regular season thread.One would only mention the playoffs if he had a personal agenda against the player in question.
I don't suppose you have one...do you?
sikma42 wrote:We disagree on the goal of the regular season. I have no agenda against Giannis, i really like him as a player and talent. But i believe the goal of the regualar season is to put yourself in the best possible position to win a chanpionship. Oftentimes that will coincide with the #1 seeds, but it doesnt have to be the case.
There are a lot of players throughout history that could have taken on a similar offensive role and resulted in better stats. They could have also had a great team record as well. But they knew what was needed to adapt in the playoffs and used the regular season to prepare.
I stand by everything i wrote. I also like Giannis and think he is a great talent.GusT15 wrote:GusT15 wrote:
This is a regular season thread.One would only mention the playoffs if he had a personal agenda against the player in question.
I don't suppose you have one...do you?sikma42 wrote:We disagree on the goal of the regular season. I have no agenda against Giannis, i really like him as a player and talent. But i believe the goal of the regualar season is to put yourself in the best possible position to win a chanpionship. Oftentimes that will coincide with the #1 seeds, but it doesnt have to be the case.
There are a lot of players throughout history that could have taken on a similar offensive role and resulted in better stats. They could have also had a great team record as well. But they knew what was needed to adapt in the playoffs and used the regular season to prepare.
And,my personal favorite,the only difference between Giannis and Ben Simmons
Take it away Jack
Good day sir.
GusT15 wrote:GusT15 wrote:
This is a regular season thread.One would only mention the playoffs if he had a personal agenda against the player in question.
I don't suppose you have one...do you?sikma42 wrote:We disagree on the goal of the regular season. I have no agenda against Giannis, i really like him as a player and talent. But i believe the goal of the regualar season is to put yourself in the best possible position to win a chanpionship. Oftentimes that will coincide with the #1 seeds, but it doesnt have to be the case.
There are a lot of players throughout history that could have taken on a similar offensive role and resulted in better stats. They could have also had a great team record as well. But they knew what was needed to adapt in the playoffs and used the regular season to prepare.
And,my personal favorite,the only difference between Giannis and Ben Simmons
Take it away Jack
Good day sir.
sikma42 wrote:I stand by everything i wrote. I also like Giannis and think he is a great talent.GusT15 wrote:GusT15 wrote:
This is a regular season thread.One would only mention the playoffs if he had a personal agenda against the player in question.
I don't suppose you have one...do you?sikma42 wrote:We disagree on the goal of the regular season. I have no agenda against Giannis, i really like him as a player and talent. But i believe the goal of the regualar season is to put yourself in the best possible position to win a chanpionship. Oftentimes that will coincide with the #1 seeds, but it doesnt have to be the case.
There are a lot of players throughout history that could have taken on a similar offensive role and resulted in better stats. They could have also had a great team record as well. But they knew what was needed to adapt in the playoffs and used the regular season to prepare.
And,my personal favorite,the only difference between Giannis and Ben Simmons
Take it away Jack
Good day sir.
My take on regular season applies to all players...not just Giannis.
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homecourtloss wrote:sikma42 wrote:Not even top 50 regular seasons of all time
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30+ PER, .290 wins shares per 48+, 10+ Box-plus minus, 7+ value over replacement player has been done 10 times in NBA history (since early ‘70s at least).
LeBron in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013
Jordan in 1988, 1989, 1991
Curry in 2016
David Robinson in 1994
Giannis last year
http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/u43lY
Even a 28+ PER, .275 WS/48+, 9+ Box pus minus, 7+ VORP has only been done 16 times
http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/Kr2tT
That’s before we even mention his RPM, AuPM, RAPM, PIPM Numbers that measure his impact that puts him into into rarefied territory as a DPOYish caliber player who’s the first option on offense.
Giannis had a special, special year