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hongdayuan wrote:Regardless if china’s reaction is necessary or not, they have every right to choose who to do business with. Some of you talk abt freedom of speech like if China has put morey in prison. They just decided to cut business ties with the NBA, which would cost the nba to lose billions.

It’s easy to point fingers to silver, coaches and players, when you got nothing to lose. One word come outta their mouth wrong and millions are gone. If salary cap drops next season due to this and every team is in cap hell, who do you blame? China for rightfully cutting their business ties or morey for tweeting his mind out that led to this?

G35 wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:

fbalmeida wrote:With this debacle, the bug of self-censorship, specifically the suppression of public criticism of the PRC within the NBA, has peered its ugly head into the public square.

It needs to be crushed like a cockroach, immediately, impeccably, and without hesitation. Freedom of speech is too important.

If Adam Silver condones the recent blocking reporters when they ask legitimate questions, or kicking out fans with signs in support of Hong Kong protesters, he should resign.

You really want to pay 100 bucks for a ticket to a game to have someone protesting next to you?

Look, I have the right to say a heck of a lot of things. I however self censor myself at work (maybe not as much as I should but still). I'm not going to common a female co worker's body or clothing. I'm not going to discuss if I went out drinking till 3am the night before. I'm also not going to shove my politics down their throats either. If someone asks, sure I might offer it up and sure I might make less aggressive and adamant statements, but again I'm going to be tactful.

This is how adults act. The reason so many people get annoyed with politics in sports is simply because people don't want politics in their entertainment. The nba should be aware of this and hopefully players and coaches keep their views limited. While sure some have been more expressive on issues they felt passionately about, I'm not sure where most athletes stand on any issue. I have zero idea where Pop stands on how to price metro area parking, how he wants to address taxes for roads with more and more cars going electric, is views on the 3 tier alcohol distribution system in most states, the illegality of shipping alcohol to Texas (he's a big wine guy so I'm rather sure he's got an opinion). It's ok I don't know these views from him and it's also OK that he has expressed his thoughts on our current president. He felt that was an issue he needed to speak on, great. He doesn't feel the need to discuss other issues, maybe he's just not as passionate about them? We're all allowed to be more or less passionate about some topics right? If I want to end AIDs am I a jerk for not talking as much about ending cancer or ALS?

The only problem I have with Kerr, Pop, Curry, Lebron, or whoever is that if you start talking politics don't back off when it gets to a topic that you are uncomfortable talking about.

The internet never forgets.

So once you start down a path, there's no turning back.

That is why politics should not be a part of sports. Sports (and to a lighter extent) entertainment should not have politics in them. We use to know that in this country. I was just watching Terminator and Terminator 2 and you could see there were some social justice themes in the movie, but they made the movie in a way that it did not detract from the entertainment.

Now, politics are the main theme, and it seems like sports and entertainment are the sidebars. Its a turn off as a fan, just because you are talented in one aspect of life does not make you an expert or your opinion the guide for society.

When I was a teenager I was influenced by entertainers, now as an adult, I would rather form my own opinions without all the rhetoric......

Czarking wrote:

fbalmeida wrote:

Czarking wrote:
As a Chinese person from Hong Kong, I did find Morey's comment irresponsible, ignorant and highly misinformed. I can also tell you that most Chinese fans and people in China are united in our support of the Chinese government's tough stance towards the NBA.

My wife and I share the opinion that the Chinese government's reaction to Morey's remarks, while a bit extreme, is also understandable. We side with the Chinese government because his comments add fuel to a crisis that is already hurting our country and city's social stability.

I love my country. So to hear people making ill-informed and deeply ignorant remarks about my city's internal affairs does bother me, as it does to a lot of people in China.

Don't forget, the NBA profits from the jerseys we buy, the subscription fee we pay to watch NBA games, and the exhibition matches we attend. It's not cheap either.

So if you're earning our country's hard earned cash, I reckon it's only fair you respect our culture, values, people by refraining from making ignorant and senseless remarks.

Just because it's okay in your culture, doesn't mean it's okay in mine.

Do you even know the first thing about what is actually happening in HK? Or are you just getting your information and making snap judgements based on garbage news sources such as the Clinton News Network (CNN) and Trump TV (Fox)? I do. And I can tell you it's nothing like what is being portrayed in the propaganda machine that is the Western media.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without inhibition or respect for cultural norms. If that were true, it would mean I am free to make racial slurs against people of colour. Why not? That's my right to free speech no?

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Criticizing government violates a cultural norm?

See, this is why I said what's okay in your culture, doesn't mean is okay in my culture.

Have you ever stopped to consider that US culture isn't the same as Chinese culture?

In the US, it's an us vs the government mentality. Most people view the government and its politicians with suspicion, just look at how divided your country is towards the Trump administration. Heck, the US constitution exists to protect the people from the government, such as the right to bear arms to 'overthrow' the government and prevent state intrusion into individual lives. Essentially, it's a document that tells the federal government to leave people the F alone.

Now in China, the culture is different. Our society is modeled after Confucian values. The head of the family is the father, who provides for his wife and his children. The head of our government is the Communist party, who provides for the Chinese population and ensures their prosperity.

In China, family and the government are indistinguishable. Even the Chinese word for country is called '国家', which translates as 'Country home'. There is a saying, 'Without our country, there is no home'.

In the US, the individual is the individual, and the state is the state. The individual keeps the state at arm's length as much as possible, in case the state tries to intrude on the individual's civil liberties.

We don't have that 'Us vs them' mentality in China. Which is why when you make ignorant and irresponsible remarks about Hong Kong, you are commenting on our country's national sovereignty, which is a direct jab to our government, home, and our national pride.

This kind of stuff may fly in your country, but it's not cool in ours. This is our culture, respect it and understand that what isn't offensive to the average American citizen, may be offensive to other cultures.

Czarking wrote:

Coachcavplaya23 wrote:

Czarking wrote:
As a Chinese person from Hong Kong, I did find Morey's comment irresponsible, ignorant and highly misinformed. I can also tell you that most Chinese fans and people in China are united in our support of the Chinese government's tough stance towards the NBA.

My wife and I share the opinion that the Chinese government's reaction to Morey's remarks, while a bit extreme, is also understandable. We side with the Chinese government because his comments add fuel to a crisis that is already hurting our country and city's social stability.

I love my country. So to hear people making ill-informed and deeply ignorant remarks about my city's internal affairs does bother me, as it does to a lot of people in China.

Don't forget, the NBA profits from the jerseys we buy, the subscription fee we pay to watch NBA games, and the exhibition matches we attend. It's not cheap either.

So if you're earning our country's hard earned cash, I reckon it's only fair you respect our culture, values, people by refraining from making ignorant and senseless remarks.

Just because it's okay in your culture, doesn't mean it's okay in mine.

Do you even know the first thing about what is actually happening in HK? Or are you just getting your information and making snap judgements based on garbage news sources such as the Clinton News Network (CNN) and Trump TV (Fox)? I do. And I can tell you it's nothing like what is being portrayed in the propaganda machine that is the Western media.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without inhibition or respect for cultural norms. If that were true, it would mean I am free to make racial slurs against people of colour. Why not? That's my right to free speech no?

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Honestly you think China's reactions is a just a "bit extreme"? It is more like the biggest overreaction this planet has ever witnessed. They are throwing the biggest temper tantrum. Someone tweeted from another country then go ahead and suspend all Rocket's games, people are cancelling subscriptions and suspending ties to the NBA. No offense but China needs to calm the **** down here and stop overreacting because it got its feeling hurt over a simple tweet.

You are talking about China's culture and values when its government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis in HK. That country and the culture you love so much needs a wake up call buddy. Your goverrment and its people are soft as hell. You may not like it but China is in the wrong here and the entire world knows it.

Buddy, did you just say that the government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis? Typical 'Murica' BS, and as usual, Americans telling people in Asia how to run their own society.

This just goes to show how grossly misinformed you are about what is actually happening on the ground. You need to change your diet, and stop consuming the laxative-laced crap and literal verbal diarrhea that CNN, Fox News or ABC is feeding you.

Videos and pictures speak a thousand words. This video was independently developed by a simple group of people who love our city and country. No State-run media, no biased news agencies as you so claim, just cold hard facts.

I won't say anymore on this matter, because it's pointless to explain the situation with people who don't even bother to review credible sources of information to create a fully well-informed view of the entire picture, and instead choose to make unintelligent comments and conclusions about a country they don't even live in. Also, Seaduck, this video alone sums up my views and answers your question, well part of it at least.

Because everything that is about 'freedom and democracy' is always right, and politics is so simple huh?

Watch on YouTube

AZNKidd wrote:

hongdayuan wrote:Regardless if china’s reaction is necessary or not, they have every right to choose who to do business with. Some of you talk abt freedom of speech like if China has put morey in prison. They just decided to cut business ties with the NBA, which would cost the nba to lose billions.

It’s easy to point fingers to silver, coaches and players, when you got nothing to lose. One word come outta their mouth wrong and millions are gone. If salary cap drops next season due to this and every team is in cap hell, who do you blame? China for rightfully cutting their business ties or morey for tweeting his mind out that led to this?

Haha doing business with China is like dating his high maintenance emotionally sensitive woman, high price to pay to keep her happy or sad. Most nba fans don’t really give a flying flip about the financial standing of the NBA because it makes a killing regardless. But if you want to talk of a strictly economics and p&l perspective, it’s also financially irrational for China to forgo relationship with the NBA. Westerns will always have their ideas about the CCP and (according to most Chinese ppls logic) these westerner ideas of the CCP will never diminish the undying and unwavering love of the Chinese people to their beloved party. So wouldn’t it be financially rational as well for China to keep ties with the business?

Czarking wrote:

Coachcavplaya23 wrote:

Czarking wrote:
As a Chinese person from Hong Kong, I did find Morey's comment irresponsible, ignorant and highly misinformed. I can also tell you that most Chinese fans and people in China are united in our support of the Chinese government's tough stance towards the NBA.

My wife and I share the opinion that the Chinese government's reaction to Morey's remarks, while a bit extreme, is also understandable. We side with the Chinese government because his comments add fuel to a crisis that is already hurting our country and city's social stability.

I love my country. So to hear people making ill-informed and deeply ignorant remarks about my city's internal affairs does bother me, as it does to a lot of people in China.

Don't forget, the NBA profits from the jerseys we buy, the subscription fee we pay to watch NBA games, and the exhibition matches we attend. It's not cheap either.

So if you're earning our country's hard earned cash, I reckon it's only fair you respect our culture, values, people by refraining from making ignorant and senseless remarks.

Just because it's okay in your culture, doesn't mean it's okay in mine.

Do you even know the first thing about what is actually happening in HK? Or are you just getting your information and making snap judgements based on garbage news sources such as the Clinton News Network (CNN) and Trump TV (Fox)? I do. And I can tell you it's nothing like what is being portrayed in the propaganda machine that is the Western media.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without inhibition or respect for cultural norms. If that were true, it would mean I am free to make racial slurs against people of colour. Why not? That's my right to free speech no?

Sent from my SM-C9000 using RealGM mobile app

Honestly you think China's reactions is a just a "bit extreme"? It is more like the biggest overreaction this planet has ever witnessed. They are throwing the biggest temper tantrum. Someone tweeted from another country then go ahead and suspend all Rocket's games, people are cancelling subscriptions and suspending ties to the NBA. No offense but China needs to calm the **** down here and stop overreacting because it got its feeling hurt over a simple tweet.

You are talking about China's culture and values when its government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis in HK. That country and the culture you love so much needs a wake up call buddy. Your goverrment and its people are soft as hell. You may not like it but China is in the wrong here and the entire world knows it.

Buddy, did you just say that the government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis? Typical 'Murica' BS, and as usual, Americans telling people in Asia how to run their own society.

This just goes to show how grossly misinformed you are about what is actually happening on the ground. You need to change your diet, and stop consuming the laxative-laced crap and literal verbal diarrhea that CNN, Fox News or ABC is feeding you.

Videos and pictures speak a thousand words. This video was independently developed by a simple group of people who love our city and country. No State-run media, no biased news agencies as you so claim, just cold hard facts.

I won't say anymore on this matter, because it's pointless to explain the situation with people who don't even bother to review credible sources of information to create a fully well-informed view of the entire picture, and instead choose to make unintelligent comments and conclusions about a country they don't even live in. Also, Seaduck, this video alone sums up my views and answers your question, well part of it at least.

Because everything that is about 'freedom and democracy' is always right, and politics is so simple huh?

Watch on YouTube

cl2117 wrote:

Czarking wrote:

Coachcavplaya23 wrote:
Honestly you think China's reactions is a just a "bit extreme"? It is more like the biggest overreaction this planet has ever witnessed. They are throwing the biggest temper tantrum. Someone tweeted from another country then go ahead and suspend all Rocket's games, people are cancelling subscriptions and suspending ties to the NBA. No offense but China needs to calm the **** down here and stop overreacting because it got its feeling hurt over a simple tweet.

You are talking about China's culture and values when its government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis in HK. That country and the culture you love so much needs a wake up call buddy. Your goverrment and its people are soft as hell. You may not like it but China is in the wrong here and the entire world knows it.

Buddy, did you just say that the government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis? Typical 'Murica' BS, and as usual, Americans telling people in Asia how to run their own society.

This just goes to show how grossly misinformed you are about what is actually happening on the ground. You need to change your diet, and stop consuming the laxative-laced crap and literal verbal diarrhea that CNN, Fox News or ABC is feeding you.

Videos and pictures speak a thousand words. This video was independently developed by a simple group of people who love our city and country. No State-run media, no biased news agencies as you so claim, just cold hard facts.

I won't say anymore on this matter, because it's pointless to explain the situation with people who don't even bother to review credible sources of information to create a fully well-informed view of the entire picture, and instead choose to make unintelligent comments and conclusions about a country they don't even live in. Also, Seaduck, this video alone sums up my views and answers your question, well part of it at least.

Because everything that is about 'freedom and democracy' is always right, and politics is so simple huh?

Watch on YouTube

Found the CCP troll.

a) Your country is committing a literal holocaust. GTFOH with your "cultural differences". If that's your culture, yours doesn't deserve to exist.

b) Videos and pictures do speak a thousand words and there are thousands of videos and pictures showing your govt. funded stooges attacking protesters. Protesters are fighting back, absolutely, but so did Jews and occupied countries against the Nazis. I'm sure you would have looked down on them too.

Ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs, organ harvesting, re-education camps, no freedom to argue against the govt. It's a dystopian hellscape. There is no defending it. There's a reason Russia and China are North Korea's only allies. Y'all arent' that dissimilar. Nothing against the Chinese, just your govt. Straight up evil.

Free Hong Kong.

Czarking wrote:

cl2117 wrote:

Czarking wrote:
Buddy, did you just say that the government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis? Typical 'Murica' BS, and as usual, Americans telling people in Asia how to run their own society.

This just goes to show how grossly misinformed you are about what is actually happening on the ground. You need to change your diet, and stop consuming the laxative-laced crap and literal verbal diarrhea that CNN, Fox News or ABC is feeding you.

Videos and pictures speak a thousand words. This video was independently developed by a simple group of people who love our city and country. No State-run media, no biased news agencies as you so claim, just cold hard facts.

I won't say anymore on this matter, because it's pointless to explain the situation with people who don't even bother to review credible sources of information to create a fully well-informed view of the entire picture, and instead choose to make unintelligent comments and conclusions about a country they don't even live in. Also, Seaduck, this video alone sums up my views and answers your question, well part of it at least.

Because everything that is about 'freedom and democracy' is always right, and politics is so simple huh?

Watch on YouTube

Found the CCP troll.

a) Your country is committing a literal holocaust. GTFOH with your "cultural differences". If that's your culture, yours doesn't deserve to exist.

b) Videos and pictures do speak a thousand words and there are thousands of videos and pictures showing your govt. funded stooges attacking protesters. Protesters are fighting back, absolutely, but so did Jews and occupied countries against the Nazis. I'm sure you would have looked down on them too.

Ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs, organ harvesting, re-education camps, no freedom to argue against the govt. It's a dystopian hellscape. There is no defending it. There's a reason Russia and China are North Korea's only allies. Y'all arent' that dissimilar. Nothing against the Chinese, just your govt. Straight up evil.

Free Hong Kong.

Nice try Bud. Come back to me later when you can explain how your corrupted country has the moral high ground when you have invaded, pillaged and destroyed whole countries, from wiping Iraq off the face of the Earth, to reducing Syria to literal rubble and causing Libya to cease to exist as a country, displacing millions of people in the Middle East because your country has a hard-on for oil and war.

Before you start criticizing us based on your own ignorant interpretation of biased news coverage, why don't you fix your own mess first, and the other countries you have destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy?

Czarking wrote:

cl2117 wrote:

Czarking wrote:
Buddy, did you just say that the government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis? Typical 'Murica' BS, and as usual, Americans telling people in Asia how to run their own society.

This just goes to show how grossly misinformed you are about what is actually happening on the ground. You need to change your diet, and stop consuming the laxative-laced crap and literal verbal diarrhea that CNN, Fox News or ABC is feeding you.

Videos and pictures speak a thousand words. This video was independently developed by a simple group of people who love our city and country. No State-run media, no biased news agencies as you so claim, just cold hard facts.

I won't say anymore on this matter, because it's pointless to explain the situation with people who don't even bother to review credible sources of information to create a fully well-informed view of the entire picture, and instead choose to make unintelligent comments and conclusions about a country they don't even live in. Also, Seaduck, this video alone sums up my views and answers your question, well part of it at least.

Because everything that is about 'freedom and democracy' is always right, and politics is so simple huh?

Watch on YouTube

Found the CCP troll.

a) Your country is committing a literal holocaust. GTFOH with your "cultural differences". If that's your culture, yours doesn't deserve to exist.

b) Videos and pictures do speak a thousand words and there are thousands of videos and pictures showing your govt. funded stooges attacking protesters. Protesters are fighting back, absolutely, but so did Jews and occupied countries against the Nazis. I'm sure you would have looked down on them too.

Ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs, organ harvesting, re-education camps, no freedom to argue against the govt. It's a dystopian hellscape. There is no defending it. There's a reason Russia and China are North Korea's only allies. Y'all arent' that dissimilar. Nothing against the Chinese, just your govt. Straight up evil.

Free Hong Kong.

Nice try Bud. Come back to me later when you can explain how your corrupted country has the moral high ground when you have invaded, pillaged and destroyed whole countries, from wiping Iraq off the face of the Earth, to reducing Syria to literal rubble and causing Libya to cease to exist as a country, displacing millions of people in the Middle East because your country has a hard-on for oil and war.

Before you start criticizing us based on your own ignorant interpretation of biased news coverage, why don't you fix your own mess first, and the other countries you have destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy?

Oh hey by the way, you guys committed the first 'Holocaust' when you exterminated the Native Americans in the name of 'civilization'. Read up on your country's history first cretin, that'd be a start

GREY 1769 wrote:

fbalmeida wrote:

scrabbarista wrote:
Man, I sympathize with the sentiment so much. I have to nitpick that NBA arenas aren't really "the public square," though. I don't think he/owners should be obligated to allow such statements within their arenas. I would just expect them to treat all political statements equally, so as to make it about the in-arena product and not the preservation of communist approval.

You're right about everything else. Self-censorship looks like the order of the day, and it should be crushed just like you say.

What's up with blocking reporters? I haven't heard about that yet.

This happened... This deserves everyone's attention. As China opens up to the world, we should welcome its trade, culture, and people, and with it, foster prosperity of all kinds. But why on earth must it come at the expense of an acritical and agnostic position - or worse- outright self-censorship - on the Chinese government and its foreign policy?

**** that.

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fbalmeida wrote:

Spoiler:

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:So do you think the NBA should be forced to answer questions that would harm their business?

Reporters should be free to ask questions, however inconvenient they may be. Freedom to ask, and freedom to respond, or withhold reply. Here the NBA preempted the question from happening.

Except that wasn't NBA official, but a Rockets PR rep - a team with an owner, GM, and player in the thick of it, so the NBA hasn't silenced anyone:

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Czarking wrote:Nice try Bud. Come back to me later when you can explain how your corrupted country has the moral high ground when you have invaded, pillaged and destroyed whole countries, from wiping Iraq off the face of the Earth, to reducing Syria to literal rubble and causing Libya to cease to exist as a country, displacing millions of people in the Middle East because your country has a hard-on for oil and war.

Before you start criticizing us based on your own ignorant interpretation of biased news coverage, why don't you fix your own mess first, and the other countries you have destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy?

Czarking wrote:

Coachcavplaya23 wrote:

Czarking wrote:
As a Chinese person from Hong Kong, I did find Morey's comment irresponsible, ignorant and highly misinformed. I can also tell you that most Chinese fans and people in China are united in our support of the Chinese government's tough stance towards the NBA.

My wife and I share the opinion that the Chinese government's reaction to Morey's remarks, while a bit extreme, is also understandable. We side with the Chinese government because his comments add fuel to a crisis that is already hurting our country and city's social stability.

I love my country. So to hear people making ill-informed and deeply ignorant remarks about my city's internal affairs does bother me, as it does to a lot of people in China.

Don't forget, the NBA profits from the jerseys we buy, the subscription fee we pay to watch NBA games, and the exhibition matches we attend. It's not cheap either.

So if you're earning our country's hard earned cash, I reckon it's only fair you respect our culture, values, people by refraining from making ignorant and senseless remarks.

Just because it's okay in your culture, doesn't mean it's okay in mine.

Do you even know the first thing about what is actually happening in HK? Or are you just getting your information and making snap judgements based on garbage news sources such as the Clinton News Network (CNN) and Trump TV (Fox)? I do. And I can tell you it's nothing like what is being portrayed in the propaganda machine that is the Western media.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without inhibition or respect for cultural norms. If that were true, it would mean I am free to make racial slurs against people of colour. Why not? That's my right to free speech no?

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Honestly you think China's reactions is a just a "bit extreme"? It is more like the biggest overreaction this planet has ever witnessed. They are throwing the biggest temper tantrum. Someone tweeted from another country then go ahead and suspend all Rocket's games, people are cancelling subscriptions and suspending ties to the NBA. No offense but China needs to calm the **** down here and stop overreacting because it got its feeling hurt over a simple tweet.

You are talking about China's culture and values when its government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis in HK. That country and the culture you love so much needs a wake up call buddy. Your goverrment and its people are soft as hell. You may not like it but China is in the wrong here and the entire world knows it.

Buddy, did you just say that the government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis? Typical 'Murica' BS, and as usual, Americans telling people in Asia how to run their own society.

This just goes to show how grossly misinformed you are about what is actually happening on the ground. You need to change your diet, and stop consuming the laxative-laced crap and literal verbal diarrhea that CNN, Fox News or ABC is feeding you.

Videos and pictures speak a thousand words. This video was independently developed by a simple group of people who love our city and country. No State-run media, no biased news agencies as you so claim, just cold hard facts.

I won't say anymore on this matter, because it's pointless to explain the situation with people who don't even bother to review credible sources of information to create a fully well-informed view of the entire picture, and instead choose to make unintelligent comments and conclusions about a country they don't even live in. Also, Seaduck, this video alone sums up my views and answers your question, well part of it at least.

Because everything that is about 'freedom and democracy' is always right, and politics is so simple huh?

Watch on YouTube

Warned
No personal attacks please. Thank you

AZNKidd wrote:

Czarking wrote:

cl2117 wrote:
Found the CCP troll.

a) Your country is committing a literal holocaust. GTFOH with your "cultural differences". If that's your culture, yours doesn't deserve to exist.

b) Videos and pictures do speak a thousand words and there are thousands of videos and pictures showing your govt. funded stooges attacking protesters. Protesters are fighting back, absolutely, but so did Jews and occupied countries against the Nazis. I'm sure you would have looked down on them too.

Ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs, organ harvesting, re-education camps, no freedom to argue against the govt. It's a dystopian hellscape. There is no defending it. There's a reason Russia and China are North Korea's only allies. Y'all arent' that dissimilar. Nothing against the Chinese, just your govt. Straight up evil.

Free Hong Kong.

Nice try Bud. Come back to me later when you can explain how your corrupted country has the moral high ground when you have invaded, pillaged and destroyed whole countries, from wiping Iraq off the face of the Earth, to reducing Syria to literal rubble and causing Libya to cease to exist as a country, displacing millions of people in the Middle East because your country has a hard-on for oil and war.

Before you start criticizing us based on your own ignorant interpretation of biased news coverage, why don't you fix your own mess first, and the other countries you have destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy?

Whataboutism, “bud”.

Czarking wrote:

cl2117 wrote:

Czarking wrote:
Buddy, did you just say that the government is attacking people with tear gas, beating people and arresting people on a daily basis? Typical 'Murica' BS, and as usual, Americans telling people in Asia how to run their own society.

This just goes to show how grossly misinformed you are about what is actually happening on the ground. You need to change your diet, and stop consuming the laxative-laced crap and literal verbal diarrhea that CNN, Fox News or ABC is feeding you.

Videos and pictures speak a thousand words. This video was independently developed by a simple group of people who love our city and country. No State-run media, no biased news agencies as you so claim, just cold hard facts.

I won't say anymore on this matter, because it's pointless to explain the situation with people who don't even bother to review credible sources of information to create a fully well-informed view of the entire picture, and instead choose to make unintelligent comments and conclusions about a country they don't even live in. Also, Seaduck, this video alone sums up my views and answers your question, well part of it at least.

Because everything that is about 'freedom and democracy' is always right, and politics is so simple huh?

Watch on YouTube

Found the CCP troll.

a) Your country is committing a literal holocaust. GTFOH with your "cultural differences". If that's your culture, yours doesn't deserve to exist.

b) Videos and pictures do speak a thousand words and there are thousands of videos and pictures showing your govt. funded stooges attacking protesters. Protesters are fighting back, absolutely, but so did Jews and occupied countries against the Nazis. I'm sure you would have looked down on them too.

Ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs, organ harvesting, re-education camps, no freedom to argue against the govt. It's a dystopian hellscape. There is no defending it. There's a reason Russia and China are North Korea's only allies. Y'all arent' that dissimilar. Nothing against the Chinese, just your govt. Straight up evil.

Free Hong Kong.

Nice try Bud. Come back to me later when you can explain how your corrupted country has the moral high ground when you have invaded, pillaged and destroyed whole countries, from wiping Iraq off the face of the Earth, to reducing Syria to literal rubble and causing Libya to cease to exist as a country, displacing millions of people in the Middle East because your country has a hard-on for oil and war.

Before you start criticizing us based on your own ignorant interpretation of biased news coverage, why don't you fix your own mess first, and the other countries you have destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy?

GREY 1769 wrote:

fbalmeida wrote:

scrabbarista wrote:
Man, I sympathize with the sentiment so much. I have to nitpick that NBA arenas aren't really "the public square," though. I don't think he/owners should be obligated to allow such statements within their arenas. I would just expect them to treat all political statements equally, so as to make it about the in-arena product and not the preservation of communist approval.

You're right about everything else. Self-censorship looks like the order of the day, and it should be crushed just like you say.

What's up with blocking reporters? I haven't heard about that yet.

This happened... This deserves everyone's attention. As China opens up to the world, we should welcome its trade, culture, and people, and with it, foster prosperity of all kinds. But why on earth must it come at the expense of an acritical and agnostic position - or worse- outright self-censorship - on the Chinese government and its foreign policy?

**** that.

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fbalmeida wrote:

Spoiler:

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:So do you think the NBA should be forced to answer questions that would harm their business?

Reporters should be free to ask questions, however inconvenient they may be. Freedom to ask, and freedom to respond, or withhold reply. Here the NBA preempted the question from happening.

Except that wasn't NBA official, but a Rockets PR rep - a team with an owner, GM, and player in the thick of it, so the NBA hasn't silenced anyone:

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Czarking wrote:

AZNKidd wrote:

Czarking wrote:
Nice try Bud. Come back to me later when you can explain how your corrupted country has the moral high ground when you have invaded, pillaged and destroyed whole countries, from wiping Iraq off the face of the Earth, to reducing Syria to literal rubble and causing Libya to cease to exist as a country, displacing millions of people in the Middle East because your country has a hard-on for oil and war.

Before you start criticizing us based on your own ignorant interpretation of biased news coverage, why don't you fix your own mess first, and the other countries you have destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy?

Whataboutism, “bud”.

Whataboutism is really just a fancy word for saying 'I-can't-come-up-with-a-sound-argument-to defend-my-country's-heinous-crimes-so-I'll-just-find-a-clever-sounding-word-to-retort-as-my-get-out-of-jail-free-card'.

Czarking wrote:

AZNKidd wrote:

Czarking wrote:
Nice try Bud. Come back to me later when you can explain how your corrupted country has the moral high ground when you have invaded, pillaged and destroyed whole countries, from wiping Iraq off the face of the Earth, to reducing Syria to literal rubble and causing Libya to cease to exist as a country, displacing millions of people in the Middle East because your country has a hard-on for oil and war.

Before you start criticizing us based on your own ignorant interpretation of biased news coverage, why don't you fix your own mess first, and the other countries you have destroyed in the name of freedom and democracy?

Whataboutism, “bud”.

Whataboutism is really just a fancy word for saying 'I-can't-come-up-with-a-sound-argument-to defend-my-country's-heinous-crimes-so-I'll-just-find-a-clever-sounding-word-to-retort-as-my-get-out-of-jail-free-card'.