Are AD & KD really better playmakers than Giannis?
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Are AD & KD really better playmakers than Giannis?
Folks in this forum claim AD & KD are better passers, playmakers & facilitators than Giannis (just like Rich Paul)...
But is this a true or false claim?
But is this a true or false claim?
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Well KD certainly was...
AD? Absolutely not.
AD? Absolutely not.
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Giannis has bigger hands than Kawhi, they allow him to easily control the ball and recover while trying things off the dribble. Whereas AD's manlet hands really limit his ballhandling.
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KD is a vastly better playmaker and it's not close. AD and Giannis are both below mediocre to even matter whose better.
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KD > Giannis > AD
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Oscar9992 wrote:Folks in this forum claim AD & KD are better passers, playmakers & facilitators than Giannis (just like Rich Paul)...
But is this a true or false claim?
Did Rich Paul say that? He just said he makes his teammates better, but he didn't exactly specify how he does that. I don't think AD is a better passer than Giannis. KD, I think, is about equal. None of them are great at it, btw.
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I’m not sure how anyone could say AD and KD are better playmakers than Giannas. I don’t think even AD and KDs mothers would say that.
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Impuniti wrote:KD is a vastly better playmaker and it's not close. AD and Giannis are both below mediocre to even matter whose better.
Do you have the stats to back this up? KD is a mediocre playmaker. He had a serie last year in OKC where he had more turnovers than assists.
Tinseltown wrote:True Story wrote:KD is the best player in the NBA.
Kevin Durant is a better scorer than Jordan
MJ was never this efficient
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evilpimp972 wrote:Impuniti wrote:KD is a vastly better playmaker and it's not close. AD and Giannis are both below mediocre to even matter whose better.
Do you have the stats to back this up? KD is a mediocre playmaker. He had a serie last year in OKC where he had more turnovers than assists.
Remember, playmaking includes scoring too, but I get your point.
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evilpimp972 wrote:Impuniti wrote:KD is a vastly better playmaker and it's not close. AD and Giannis are both below mediocre to even matter whose better.
Do you have the stats to back this up? KD is a mediocre playmaker. He had a serie last year in OKC where he had more turnovers than assists.
What does the 2015/16 season got to do with that? Last time I check, players can improve. Afaik Giannis wasn't playing MVP level back then either.
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djw wrote:evilpimp972 wrote:Impuniti wrote:KD is a vastly better playmaker and it's not close. AD and Giannis are both below mediocre to even matter whose better.
Do you have the stats to back this up? KD is a mediocre playmaker. He had a serie last year in OKC where he had more turnovers than assists.
What does the 2015/16 season got to do with that? Last time I check, players can improve. Afaik Giannis wasn't playing MVP level back then either.
Since the 2015/2016 season, KD turnover to assist ratio is mediocre, and he had the best off ball player in the game in steph Curry!
Tinseltown wrote:True Story wrote:KD is the best player in the NBA.
Kevin Durant is a better scorer than Jordan
MJ was never this efficient
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Durant is nothing special as a playmaker. Giannis is far from great passer right now, but with some improvement he has the highest celling as a playmaker. His offensive gravity is huge enough for that. Durant can't handle the ball by himself and he's not elite passer by any means.
Davis improved his passing game a lot recently, but he's mainly off-ball player so it's tough to compare him to them.
Davis improved his passing game a lot recently, but he's mainly off-ball player so it's tough to compare him to them.
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Jerry West on Kevin Durant:
“Again, he’s an incredible passer. He does every thing. Swiss Army Knife. His passing ability...His unselfishness...You put the ball in his hands and he’s going to score or someone is going to get a layup. Not a jump shot, they’re going to get a layup with him.”
But like usual, RealGM experts are better at evaluating talent than Jerry West.
“Again, he’s an incredible passer. He does every thing. Swiss Army Knife. His passing ability...His unselfishness...You put the ball in his hands and he’s going to score or someone is going to get a layup. Not a jump shot, they’re going to get a layup with him.”
But like usual, RealGM experts are better at evaluating talent than Jerry West.
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Davis is definitely last among the three. Giannis has the advantage of the three because he is so good off the dribble and drawing defenders.
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evilpimp972 wrote:Impuniti wrote:KD is a vastly better playmaker and it's not close. AD and Giannis are both below mediocre to even matter whose better.
Do you have the stats to back this up? KD is a mediocre playmaker. He had a serie last year in OKC where he had more turnovers than assists.
There’s turnovers from scoring and playmaking, he scores a lot, so his turnovers will accumulate from non-playmaking related incedents.
Assist to TO ratio as such is not a great way to measure playmaking
Although I veiw Giannis as better than KD, KD definetly is a solid playmaker.
Like in comparison to most non-guards, he is well above average.
Giannis could run point I feel though.
AD, nah, there’s a reason he is more effective offball.
After your first, you change, you mature, you dont just jump into things.
After getting dunked on for the first time, life becomes complex.
After getting dunked on for the first time, life becomes complex.
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7footMONSTER wrote:Jerry West on Kevin Durant:
“Again, he’s an incredible passer. He does every thing. Swiss Army Knife. His passing ability...His unselfishness...You put the ball in his hands and he’s going to score or someone is going to get a layup. Not a jump shot, they’re going to get a layup with him.”
But like usual, RealGM experts are better at evaluating talent than Jerry West.
Well...it's not only RealGM 'experts' who rate Giannis as a setup man, nor did Jerry compare the two.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/briansampson/2019/05/04/giannis-antetkounmpos-is-nbas-most-underrated-passer/amp/
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I think Giannis has better hands and ball skills so is capable of really nice passes but because he tends to put his head and barrel to the basket he's not really seeing the open men as much.
but Durant is much more measured and usually has his head up because he's keeping his eye on his defender so if he sags off he can just shoot over him, hence I think he tends to be able to pick out the guys cutting to the basket a lot better.
Doing the simple things right is more important than the flashy stuff though, so for now I have Durant ahead.
but Durant is much more measured and usually has his head up because he's keeping his eye on his defender so if he sags off he can just shoot over him, hence I think he tends to be able to pick out the guys cutting to the basket a lot better.
Doing the simple things right is more important than the flashy stuff though, so for now I have Durant ahead.
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Who out of these players is the best center?
Paul, Curry or Irving?
Paul, Curry or Irving?
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Anthony Davis has way more talent and skill than Giannis, but Giannis plays with more purpose and explosion. Maybe I'm biased, because AD never does anything against the 76ers, but I don't think he'd make those Bucks players better than Giannis.
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Impuniti wrote:KD is a vastly better playmaker and it's not close. AD and Giannis are both below mediocre to even matter whose better.
PLayer who can't even run his team's offense is vaslty better at playmaking than player who does