Zach Lavine: I'm tired of people talking S- about my defense

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Who would you rather have?

Lavine
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Booker
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Re: Zach Lavine: I'm tired of people talking S- about my defense 

Post#61 » by UcanUwill » Tue Oct 15, 2019 11:54 am

LewisnotMiller wrote:Oh, and re the poll, I went Booker. His shooting, size and playmaking potential are all real. I don't think he'll get there, but it's possible. Call it 5-10%

Whereas I think Levine can become a plus starter and outplay his contract (as a best case) but he'll never be the man on a good team.


I think you are underrating Lavine. a year ago I would have said Booker > Lavine, and its not close, but Lavine was legit good last season.
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Post#62 » by Rendei » Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:31 pm

GimmeDat wrote:This dude's perception amongst league wide fans severely lags behind his actual ability. The guy is a star.

I mean, that's true among guys even on winning teams. Look at James Harden.
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Post#63 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:32 pm

Based off what I’ve seen from preseason.... LaVine looks like he’s gonna have a better year than Booker
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Post#64 » by bearadonisdna » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:39 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Based off what I’ve seen from preseason.... LaVine looks like he’s gonna have a better year than Booker


Its only preseason but he is at 55% fgs and 57% on 3’s.
The bulls were tanking the last 2 years so people ragging on his defense has been kind of lame.
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Post#65 » by JN61 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:46 pm

Bulls need to trade him if he makes to all-star team this year, I feel. Make Markkanen clear number one and cash out on Lavine when he has high value.
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Post#66 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:46 pm

Looked good thus far. Will see if it carries over through the season
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Post#67 » by The_Hater » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:56 pm

While some players definitely get pigeon holed as poor defenders early in their career and have trouble shaking that label after they improve, I’m not sure Lavine has a leg to stand on here. Both visually and statistically I haven’t seen much proof to support his ‘good defender’ claim and even his teams finish in the bottom 5-6 every season.
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Post#68 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:01 pm

If he can even play mediocre defense (IE 0 net d rating) then he is going to elevate to All Star status. I like the talk and confidence. He seems hungry and previously one of the bigger flags with him was a bit of 'coasting' due to his natural talents. He certainly has the natural talents to be a good defender, just needs the effort. Not likely that he has the gift of insane defensive awareness that just sorta comes easy to some guys (IE JJJ) but with more effort he can be passable.
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Post#69 » by Infinite Llamas » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:22 pm

And Curry plays **** defense and nobody thinks twice because he has/had Iggy, Draymond and Klay in his team. Some bad defenders get a pass, some don’t. Maybe if the Bulls had a legit big man defender, people wouldn’t focus so much on LaVine
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Post#70 » by mplsfonz23 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:47 pm

Wolfgang630 wrote:
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Crives wrote:Lol... why you got to bring up book?

They had similar flaws and Book is another SG people are waiting on for a defensive improvement. (Same with Wiggins)

We’re waiting on everything with Wiggins.


Yeah, I wish Wiggins had Zach's heart and mentality. He could be a beast on the offense end. Guess we will see if he reverts back to the long two's or start to attack the rim again. And for heavens sake stop with the spin move. Gets stripped half the time.

But Zach, your D sucked, so people are going to talk sh*t.
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Post#71 » by johanliebert » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:48 pm

i get surprised when any guard in the nba players defense i never understood why lavine is singled out.
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Post#72 » by bearadonisdna » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:51 pm

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Wolfgang630 wrote:
Mamba4Goat wrote:They had similar flaws and Book is another SG people are waiting on for a defensive improvement. (Same with Wiggins)

We’re waiting on everything with Wiggins.


Yeah, I wish Wiggins had Zach's heart and mentality. He could be a beast on the offense end. Guess we will see if he reverts back to the long two's or start to attack the rim again. And for heavens sake stop with the spin move. Gets stripped half the time.

But Zach, your D sucked, so people are going to talk sh*t.


Well zach wasnt negative in bpm, neither was booker. Both on tanking teams.
Maybe both these guys are underrated for what they bring to The court.
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Post#73 » by Crives » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:03 pm

Booker playing better D last night as he didn’t have to carry the entire suns offense .. hopefully more to
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Post#74 » by mplsfonz23 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:12 pm

bearadonisdna wrote:
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Wolfgang630 wrote:We’re waiting on everything with Wiggins.


Yeah, I wish Wiggins had Zach's heart and mentality. He could be a beast on the offense end. Guess we will see if he reverts back to the long two's or start to attack the rim again. And for heavens sake stop with the spin move. Gets stripped half the time.

But Zach, your D sucked, so people are going to talk sh*t.


Well zach wasnt negative in bpm, neither was booker. Both on tanking teams.
Maybe both these guys are underrated for what they bring to The court.


Not a big Booker guy, like him, but just haven't seen him enough. Did see ZL and I don't think he is underrated, and that is because of his lack of D. EVERYBODY knows the boy can plat out score, and he makes dunking look easy. He still is one of my fav's in the NBA. And I make a point to get him in FBB.

Saw him shopping once early in the morning at Burlington, (day of Flip's funeral) and he took time out to take a pick with my son, and even gave a shout out to my daughter (by name) to her in a video. He did that twice. (Once after a game) She's 15 now and is a huge Bulls fan because of him. She literally cried when I told her he was traded.
Really cool down to earth dude.
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Post#75 » by cool007 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:19 pm

People need to stop basing Bulls lack of success on Lavine's shoulders. Bulls were tanking and sat him at the last half of the season and the first half of the season he was playing with G-League players (Blakeney/Felicio/Payne/Regressed Dunn/Not a team player Parker/etc) with so many injuries and not to mention coaching change. Yet, he was still brilliant and played like a borderline all-star last year.

When he did have horses like Markkanen/Porter etc, Bulls were one of the better teams in the East in Feb/March. I can even say you put most of the so called all-stars in place of Lavine last year and the team record would have been very similar. So putting that on Lavine for lack of Bulls' success is totally unfair.

This is why if Bulls are healthy enough and with actual NBA roster, I really like Bulls' chances of making playoffs and Lavine making the all-star team.
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Post#76 » by lijoge » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:24 pm

Lalouie wrote:ugh. two players who don't make a difference
zach is an unlikeable personality, though.
i pick booker


LOL...what?
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Post#77 » by NjtoBk201 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:24 pm

jg77 wrote:Lavine is my dark horse MVP candidate.


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Post#78 » by mplsfonz23 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:34 pm

lijoge wrote:
Lalouie wrote:ugh. two players who don't make a difference
zach is an unlikeable personality, though.
i pick booker


LOL...what?


Lol......What?

What doesn't this person not like about him? He is a great person, and a smooth player. Never complains, plays hard when healthy, and is the poster boy for gym rat.
Some people just prefer players like Harden or Curry I guess.

Edit: 458 post and only 3 and 1's. Not that it matters, just shows he must only make negative post.
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Post#79 » by gabri3l3 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:43 pm

Dominater wrote:
Crives wrote:Lol... why you got to bring up book?

They're the exact same player


lol no way ...book is in a whole another realm
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Re: Zach Lavine: I'm tired of people talking Sh** about my defense 

Post#80 » by cool007 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:54 pm

gabri3l3 wrote:
Dominater wrote:
Crives wrote:Lol... why you got to bring up book?

They're the exact same player


lol no way ...book is in a whole another realm


Whole another realm? Wow!! Seriously, I wish people were more objective then subjective.

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