Which accomplishment is diminished more? Dirk's 2011 title or Steph's 2015 title?

[AMW27]

I was thinking Steph in the beggining because Dirk's 2011 title run is considered one of the best by many. Warriors made it to the finals defeating teams that were dealing with injuries. Then in the finals the Warriors defeated Cleveland without without Kyrie and Love. Steph also wasn't finals mvp.

I choose Dirk's title as my choice for more diminished accomplishment now because after 2015 Curry had an epic 2016 season and was one win away from a title.

Dirk had one of the best playoff runs of all time, but prior to 2011 playoffs he was considered a playoff choker(which I disagree with). And after the title going forward the Mavs never won another playoff series. So people may look at his title as being lucky.
They say the Lakers were tired off of three straight finals appearances. How The Thunder were young. Even though Durant was an elite player, Westbrook was probably a top ten player by that point, Harden nice off of the bench,. They alo had Ibaka.Then its how lucky the Mavs were because it was the heat's big three first year together and if LeBron didn't underperform then mavs would've lost.

I don't think it's fair to Diminish Dirks accomplishment because of LeBrons performance. Its not like lebron didn't play. He did play reguardless of how he performed. At the end of the day Dirk did what he had to do to for his team to win.

If The Cavs would've defeated the Warriors in the finals in 2018 with both Durant and Curry underperforming, no one would diminish LeBrons accomplishment. Even with Durant and Curry underperforming Lebron would get a lot of praise(which he should). No one would diminish his tiltle. The whole narrative would be he led a team full of scrubs to the finals and defeated a super stacked warriors squad. Everyone all of a sudden would forget the 2011 finals ever happened. He would be crowned the goat right one the spot. Going forward he would never get criticized again reguardless what he says or does.


I dont believe Dirks title should be diminished at all. What happned before and afterwards is irrelevant.











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Neither should be diminished.


Must say, I never heard of Dirk's championship being considered "diminished". Not his fault the lights were to bright for LeBron.

[Mogspan]

Do people really try to diminish Dirk's accomplishment? Most consider that one of the most impressive titles won, and I don't know how someone could attempt to take anything away from him. People can justifiably critique Curry's first title, however. The best team that he beat in that postseason was Memphis, and he didn't win FMVP. At the end of the day, though, his team won, and he was the main reason why. He deserves credit - even though I think some people exaggerate his greatness.

[Yogatti]

What the F*ck is OP even talking about? I've never heard anyone diminished Dirk's 2011 title. In fact most people think it's one of the best playoff runs of all time.

[BlazersBroncos]

lol. Dirk's title is more legendary than all of Curry's combined. IDK what this thread is about.

[asianguy]

Injuries are part of the game, so there is no reason to ever diminished any title run unless that team send out a benchwarmer thug to hurt the other team star on purpose, otherwise, why should you be punished because others can't stay healthy?

However, if you ask which title is more impressive, I would say Dirk's.

[ZemGOAT]

Both shouldn't be diminished. Idk many people who diminish dirks

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[Wolfgang630]

Who the hell wants to diminish anyone’s title run?

[thebigbird]

Curry's 2015 title is similar to kawhi's 2019 title. Both came against teams dealing with serious injuries. Both would've lost with their opponents at full strength.

[AdagioPace]

I don't understand the identity between "it happened once" = "luck",without taking into consideration the route that led to the title.
The Mavs had already cemented themselves as a top team after a decade of RS success and some intimidating PS runs too

*of course, I'm referring to the "Mavs project" led by Dirk and Cuban rather than a specific lineup...

[AMW27]

What the F*ck is OP even talking about? I've never heard anyone diminished Dirk's 2011 title. In fact most people think it's one of the best playoff runs of all time.

You have many that say its one of the best runs of all time.

But at the same time people say how Dirk and the Mavs were lucky vs the Heat because of LeBron. They talk about how tired the Lakers were and how the thunder were young. To me that's diminishing their title instead of giving credit.

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[dhsilv2]

Is this real life?

[NjtoBk201]

this is a weird thread

[Lenneth]

What's a justification of diminishing anybody's championship run? They handled what they are facing and won the title. They can't control who they are facing or injuries of other teams.

[WarriorGM]

A championship is a championship. I give both similar credit.

Some people seem to give more value to Dirk's because he had what they claim to be a harder playoffs road. Even if we accept that as true the reason the Mavericks got that path was because they got a low seed and performed relatively poorly during the regular season. As an older team maybe they made a strategic choice not to take the regular season seriously and to conserve their energy for the playoffs. I notice the Mavericks seemed to use a similar strategy in following years with much less success.

The Warriors on the other hand seemed to go full throttle through the whole year. Because they were very good they got a high seed and theoretically an easier road to the finals. I cannot fault them for having an easier playoffs road if to get it they probably exerted themselves more during the rest of the season relative to others.

It's a matter of where they decided to allocate their energy. They made their bets and the results are what they are. I don't consider one to be better than the other.

[Kabookalu]

I've never ever heard of anyone diminishing Dirk's title run. It's one of the most respected title runs of all time. In fact the only thing that's being diminished was Dirk's reputation as a choker and loser. Winning a championship vindicated him as an all time great.

[mplsfonz23]

What the F*ck is OP even talking about? I've never heard anyone diminished Dirk's 2011 title. In fact most people think it's one of the best playoff runs of all time.

This.....

The ONLY title that should be diminished is KD's.
IMHO.

[Drygon]

What the F*ck is OP even talking about? I've never heard anyone diminished Dirk's 2011 title. In fact most people think it's one of the best playoff runs of all time.

This.....

The ONLY title that should be diminished is KD's.
IMHO.

If KD was a role player or a scrub who got carried to a ring, yes. Not when he has been Warriors' best player 2 years in a row.

[amyklai]

Dallas didn't "preserve energy" in the 2010 / 11 regular season.

IIRC both Dirk and the "2nd best player" (that's what people actually thought at that time) Caron Butler went down with injuries at the end of December. Dirk came back about 8 games was pretty rusty for the first 5 games or so. Butler was out for the season. During that time span until Dirk was back to normal, Dallas lost around 10 games, winning maybe 2 or 3.

Dallas had 57 wins that season. The overall #1 seed was Chicago with 62 wins.

Without those injuries, Dallas would've easily been in the race for the #1 spot.


Oh, and back to the original question: At least for me, Dirk's 2011 run is still the greatest one in recent history.
Can't see how that one will ever be diminished, the whole story arc was just about perfect.