What happened to the Big 3 roster format?

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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#41 » by The_Hater » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:39 pm

bearadonisdna wrote:
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Objectively a guy like dlo is more valuable to a franchise than a guy who is a single digit rebounder and scorer.
Also dlo isnt that inefficient.
In the same summer 1 of these guys got paid 10 mil more than the other.
Its a pretty clear indicator of value that most can see.


Draymond Green is a litmus test for people who understand the true value of NBA players. Al horford is another. Kyle Lowry is another. Players that bring several elite skills to the table and don’t take anything off. Players who show up as important cogs on winning teams rather than high scorers or ‘stat guys’ on middling/bad teams. The people who understand that scoring and ppg isn’t everything understand what I’m talking about here.

And I’m sorry but anyone that screams ‘but he averaged single digits last season’ clearly doesn’t get it. Don’t worry, you’re not alone. So I digress. Regardless, Green is a winner, Russell is not. Green going to the HOF when his career is over, Russell is not.


You probably have a hangup on dlo, i dont. .


I don't know what a hang-up is exactly? I said that he was a poor defender, which is true, and that he was inefficient on offense, which is true. And I added that he played horrible in his first trip to the playoff. I'm just stating my opinion, which is supported by facts, and have been presented with nothing to the contrary to sway that opinion.

Perhaps the problem here is that you have hang-up on Draymond because you clearly don't recognize him as the great all-around player he is?
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.


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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#42 » by The_Hater » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:47 pm

evilpimp972 wrote:
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Dont know man, i thought about it but draymonds all star days might be in the past.
The man averages 7 ppg so i think he only qualifies as a role player.


Draymond is still one of the top players in the league and shows up deep into the playoffs every season Meanwhile Russell has never been among the top 35 players in the league. He can’t defend, he’s an inefficient scorer while monopolizing the ball and he was an absolute disaster in his first playoff appearance last season.

This entire line of thinking is pretty ridiculous.

Ok so Dray is a top player in this league. Why didn't they win the championship? They had 2 top guys ... 3 when Thompson was healthy.
Dray is not even close to top 15.


They won 3 championships and went to 5 straight finals. Green was the DPOY, played in 3 alll-star games, was all-league twice and on the all-defensive team 5 times over that 5 year period.

Try to keep up, I'm not going to be there to help you figure things out every day.
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.


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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#43 » by bearadonisdna » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:47 pm

The_Hater wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
Draymond Green is a litmus test for people who understand the true value of NBA players. Al horford is another. Kyle Lowry is another. Players that bring several elite skills to the table and don’t take anything off. Players who show up as important cogs on winning teams rather than high scorers or ‘stat guys’ on middling/bad teams. The people who understand that scoring and ppg isn’t everything understand what I’m talking about here.

And I’m sorry but anyone that screams ‘but he averaged single digits last season’ clearly doesn’t get it. Don’t worry, you’re not alone. So I digress. Regardless, Green is a winner, Russell is not. Green going to the HOF when his career is over, Russell is not.


You probably have a hangup on dlo, i dont. .


I don't know what a hang-up is exactly? I said that he was a poor defender, which is true, and that he was inefficient on offense, which is true. And I added that he played horrible in his first trip to the playoff. I'm just stating my opinion, which is supported by facts, and have been presented with nothing to the contrary to sway that opinion.

Perhaps the problem here is that you have hang-up on Draymond because you clearly don't recognize him as the great all-around player he is?


A hang up is a lingering issue but i must have confused you for with another poster.
Regarding draymond i clearly said i respect him and am not diminishing him as a player.
Lets think could draymond take a team to the playoffs being a teams best player?
Probably impossible.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#44 » by The_Hater » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:50 pm

evilpimp972 wrote:
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evilpimp972 wrote:Draymond is a role player, you win with superstars. Smh


'19 Playoffs Play-by-Play:

Klay on the court: +1.1
Klay on the bench: +11.1
Klay net: -10

KD on the court: +8.6
KD on the bench: -.3
KD net: +8.9

Draymond on the court: +6.7
Draymond on the bench: -10.1
Draymond net: +16.8

The way Draymond plays, his team scores more than the opponent (when he's in the game). FOH with calling him a role player. He's one of the best defenders ever, an elite playmaker for his position, and a great leader.

+/- just shows he excels at his role. However, he can't carry a team, so he's a role player nothing wrong with that.


You clearly don't know how to read and understand these stats. Or more likely, you're so stubborn you refuse to take the time to figure out exactly what they're saying because the explanation you gave, is wrong.
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.


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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#45 » by The_Hater » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:01 pm

bearadonisdna wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
You probably have a hangup on dlo, i dont. .


I don't know what a hang-up is exactly? I said that he was a poor defender, which is true, and that he was inefficient on offense, which is true. And I added that he played horrible in his first trip to the playoff. I'm just stating my opinion, which is supported by facts, and have been presented with nothing to the contrary to sway that opinion.

Perhaps the problem here is that you have hang-up on Draymond because you clearly don't recognize him as the great all-around player he is?


A hang up is a lingering issue but i must have confused you for with another poster.
Regarding draymond i clearly said i respect him and am not diminishing him as a player.
Lets think could draymond take a team to the playoffs being a teams best player?
Probably impossible.


He absolutely could take a team to the plyaoffs as the best player. The problem is, you and some others seem to think that the best player and the top scorer have to be the same person and that's simply not true. With Draymond, you just have to build your team differently.

No different than the Celtics going to the conference finals two seasons ago with Al Horford as clearly their best players. 4th leading scorer in the plyaoffs but their best player. Then Irving the top scorer returned and their team was actually worse.

The fact that I need to sell you on the idea that Draymond is an elite player makes me think that you won't ever comprehend this line of thinking. You clearly overrate scoring and you underrate all-around play as does any person who thinks Russell > Green.
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.


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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#46 » by bearadonisdna » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:19 pm

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bearadonisdna wrote:
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I don't know what a hang-up is exactly? I said that he was a poor defender, which is true, and that he was inefficient on offense, which is true. And I added that he played horrible in his first trip to the playoff. I'm just stating my opinion, which is supported by facts, and have been presented with nothing to the contrary to sway that opinion.

Perhaps the problem here is that you have hang-up on Draymond because you clearly don't recognize him as the great all-around player he is?


A hang up is a lingering issue but i must have confused you for with another poster.
Regarding draymond i clearly said i respect him and am not diminishing him as a player.
Lets think could draymond take a team to the playoffs being a teams best player?
Probably impossible.


He absolutely could take a team to the plyaoffs as the best player. The problem is, you and some others seem to think that the best player and the top scorer have to be the same person and that's simply not true. With Draymond, you just have to build your team differently.

No different than the Celtics going to the conference finals two seasons ago with Al Horford as clearly their best players. 4th leading scorer in the plyaoffs but their best player. Then Irving the top scorer returned and their team was actually worse.

The fact that I need to sell you on the idea that Draymond is an elite player makes me think that you won't ever comprehend this line of thinking. You clearly overrate scoring and you underrate all-around play as does any person who thinks Russell > Green.



Irving would clear and away be considered the celtics best player. Even if he was toxic, the talent and skill level compared to horford is in a different tier.

Green is certainly more accomplished, dlo more flash in the pan but i dont overrate scoring.
All production can be valued based on context. You have to dig deep to find draymonds value you cant seem to accept that his value is from being an elite role player. Last year he was a 4th fiddle and in the finals was outplayed by a non allstar PF.

This is really a huge reason why the GS didnt repeat.
Everybody in the nba plays a role. If defense alone trumps scoring output in evaluation than eric bledsoe who is actually 1st team defense but has 2x draymonds scoring would be considered a star.
He isnt.
He is considered a role player, not part of a big 3 or even all star caliber.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#47 » by DimesandKnicks » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:13 pm

bearadonisdna wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
A hang up is a lingering issue but i must have confused you for with another poster.
Regarding draymond i clearly said i respect him and am not diminishing him as a player.
Lets think could draymond take a team to the playoffs being a teams best player?
Probably impossible.


He absolutely could take a team to the plyaoffs as the best player. The problem is, you and some others seem to think that the best player and the top scorer have to be the same person and that's simply not true. With Draymond, you just have to build your team differently.

No different than the Celtics going to the conference finals two seasons ago with Al Horford as clearly their best players. 4th leading scorer in the plyaoffs but their best player. Then Irving the top scorer returned and their team was actually worse.

The fact that I need to sell you on the idea that Draymond is an elite player makes me think that you won't ever comprehend this line of thinking. You clearly overrate scoring and you underrate all-around play as does any person who thinks Russell > Green.



Irving would clear and away be considered the celtics best player. Even if he was toxic, the talent and skill level compared to horford is in a different tier.

Green is certainly more accomplished, dlo more flash in the pan but i dont overrate scoring.
All production can be valued based on context. You have to dig deep to find draymonds value you cant seem to accept that his value is from being an elite role player. Last year he was a 4th fiddle and in the finals was outplayed by a non allstar PF.

This is really a huge reason why the GS didnt repeat.
Everybody in the nba plays a role. If defense alone trumps scoring output in evaluation than eric bledsoe who is actually 1st team defense but has 2x draymonds scoring would be considered a star.
He isnt.
He is considered a role player, not part of a big 3 or even all star caliber.


12 pts, 9 res, 6 assist, 1.5 blocks 1.6 stills
These are Draymond Greens career playoff stats. He isn't a role player. He's a DPOY and one of the best playmakers in our game. He is in the discussion for the hall of fame. Roll players aren't a part of that discussion.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#48 » by RyderMike » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:01 pm

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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#49 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:34 pm

Mogspan wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
Mogspan wrote:
'19 Playoffs Play-by-Play:

Klay on the court: +1.1
Klay on the bench: +11.1
Klay net: -10

KD on the court: +8.6
KD on the bench: -.3
KD net: +8.9

Draymond on the court: +6.7
Draymond on the bench: -10.1
Draymond net: +16.8

The way Draymond plays, his team scores more than the opponent (when he's in the game). FOH with calling him a role player. He's one of the best defenders ever, an elite playmaker for his position, and a great leader.


On /off for a low volume player isnt that impressive.
Its like the epitome of a role player, so what his team has success when he is on the floor? That is his role because there isnt 1 traditional stat he excels in, which most role players at least do.
On/off is like the 10th thing you look at when evaluating a player.


Bro, the Warriors got outscored by more than 10(!) points per 100 possessions when he sat. Steph sitting saw them at "only" -7.1. +/- is noisy over a small sample, but he consistently leads his team in playoff +/- because he is incredibly valuable and has a huge impact on the game. I don't care if he couldn't lead a 13th seed team to the 8th seed as the primary scorer. Not being a major scoring threat doesn't relegate one to a "role player." Everyone has a role, and it turns out that Draymond his stupendous at his. There are less than 10 players in the league who are good enough to win a title as their team's primary offensive option. Draymond is more valuable than practically anyone who isn't one of those players because his skillset doesn't detract from those of more traditional stars.


JaVale McGee is the best playoff performer of the last 5 years and I have stats to prove it.
Spoiler:
1 JaVale McGee GSW 2016-17 16 146.8 323 315 104.3 +9.5 -2.3 +.115 +5.2 +3.3 +.130 +.145 +1.6 +1.6 +.011 +25.8
2 Joel Embiid PHI 2018-19 11 334.8 673 669 96.2 +6.7 -4.0 +.100 +1.4 -1.7 +.062 +.112 +5.4 +6.0 +.030 +20.4
3 Stephen Curry GSW 2016-17 17 597.0 1279 1272 102.5 +6.4 -3.4 +.087 +4.2 +4.3 +.078 +.113 +2.7 +1.8 +.047 +19.6
4 Zaza Pachulia GSW 2016-17 15 210.9 440 435 99.6 +5.0 +0.7 +.052 +2.0 -0.5 +.064 +.063 +6.6 +7.1 +.047 +18.7
5 Draymond Green GSW 2016-17 17 590.3 1239 1241 100.8 +6.8 -1.0 +.082 +3.2 +2.9 +.065 +.101 +1.6 +0.5 +.051 +18.5
6 Jarrett Jack BRK 2014-15 6 152.4 308 306 96.7 +8.5 -1.9 +.111 +1.9 -7.9 +.153 +.123 -0.6 +0.3 -.044 +18.3
7 Kevin Durant GSW 2016-17 15 530.2 1116 1112 100.9 +5.6 -3.7 +.083 +3.9 +2.9 +.088 +.107 +0.9 -0.8 +.062 +16.0
8 Patty Mills SAS 2015-16 10 166.4 324 323 93.3 +4.6 +3.2 +.039 +5.8 +3.8 +.216 +.073 +0.9 -0.9 +.074 +15.9
9 Klay Thompson GSW 2016-17 17 592.1 1240 1234 100.3 +5.6 -2.3 +.075 +2.8 +2.8 +.056 +.092 +1.6 +1.2 +.029 +15.6
10 Ersan İlyasova MIL 2018-19 15 272.0 557 561 98.6 +4.4 -4.1 +.072 +2.5 +0.9 +.061 +.090 +4.2 +6.9 -.044 +15.5
11 David Lee GSW 2014-15 13 105.4 206 201 92.7 +4.6 +0.5 +.051 +10.5 +10.5 +.283 +.112 -4.1 -4.1 -.051 +15.5
12 Kevin Love CLE 2014-15 4 106.3 207 206 93.2 +3.2 -0.5 +.040 +6.3 +9.0 +.126 +.078 +2.7 +7.7 -.149 +15.4
13 Patty Mills SAS 2014-15 7 112.2 231 229 98.4 +4.7 +5.6 +.027 +11.1 +16.3 +.183 +.091 -5.1 -10.3 +.055 +15.4
14 Channing Frye CLE 2015-16 17 236.0 446 450 91.1 +7.5 +3.7 +.075 +4.7 +5.7 +.080 +.102 -4.7 -4.9 -.064 +15.1
15 Tim Duncan SAS 2015-16 10 216.3 411 411 91.2 +8.2 +0.7 +.095 +2.0 -4.7 +.214 +.107 -3.3 -3.8 -.013 +15.1
16 Manu Ginóbili SAS 2015-16 10 190.6 377 377 95.0 +6.5 +4.0 +.058 +3.3 +2.8 +.109 +.076 -1.3 -0.3 -.042 +15.1
17 Thon Maker MIL 2017-18 6 129.4 242 244 90.1 +7.4 0.0 +.097 0.0 -1.1 +.015 +.097 -0.4 +0.4 -.028 +14.5
18 Dāvis Bertāns SAS 2016-17 13 111.5 229 219 96.4 +5.2 -0.4 +.063 -1.3 -6.5 +.033 +.056 +5.2 +10.8 -.105 +14.2
19 Nenê Hilário HOU 2016-17 9 161.0 336 339 100.6 +3.9 -6.6 +.078 +1.5 -0.6 +.052 +.091 +4.2 +0.9 +.107 +13.4
20 Quinn Cook GSW 2017-18 17 172.2 357 352 98.8 +5.0 +5.3 +.031 +0.8 +0.8 +.022 +.033 +2.5 +0.8 +.074 +13.4
Rk Player Tm Season G MP Tm Opp Pace FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% eFG% FT FTA FT% PTS
21 Andre Iguodala GSW 2017-18 15 398.8 815 818 98.3 +5.4 -1.2 +.069 +1.6 +0.5 +.045 +.079 +0.8 -0.1 +.046 +13.2
22 Gerald Green MIA 2015-16 12 109.2 205 207 90.5 +8.4 +10.1 +.057 +3.1 +2.2 +.126 +.073 -6.6 -7.9 -.039 +13.2
23 Stephen Curry GSW 2017-18 15 550.9 1122 1110 97.2 +5.4 -0.6 +.065 +1.8 -1.3 +.066 +.076 +0.2 -2.0 +.089 +12.8
24 Malcolm Brogdon MIL 2018-19 7 198.4 396 403 96.6 +6.8 -2.2 +.091 +0.7 -0.7 +.028 +.097 -1.5 +0.5 -.069 +12.8
25 Mike Scott WAS 2017-18 6 124.4 262 256 100.0 +6.2 +3.9 +.049 -1.9 -6.2 +.022 +.036 +2.3 -1.2 +.139 +12.7
26 Meyers Leonard POR 2014-15 5 105.8 208 198 92.1 0.0 -3.2 +.015 +7.7 +16.8 +.096 +.060 +5.0 +5.9 +.009 +12.7
27 LeBron James CLE 2016-17 18 742.8 1482 1479 95.7 +2.2 -3.2 +.044 +3.2 +2.8 +.066 +.065 +5.0 +7.0 -.020 +12.6
28 Kevin Love CLE 2015-16 20 610.1 1150 1144 90.2 +3.1 +3.9 +.016 +3.2 +1.7 +.085 +.032 +3.2 +4.8 -.023 +12.6
29 T.J. McConnell PHI 2017-18 10 153.0 309 311 97.3 +6.3 +0.9 +.068 +0.6 -3.1 +.063 +.071 -0.6 -1.9 +.031 +12.6
30 LeBron James CLE 2015-16 21 818.8 1545 1546 90.6 +4.5 +3.1 +.037 +2.1 +0.4 +.065 +.047 +1.3 +2.5 -.023 +12.3
31 Kevin Durant GSW 2017-18 21 802.5 1624 1620 97.0 +5.5 -2.5 +.076 +1.2 -1.9 +.057 +.085 +0.1 -0.8 +.036 +12.3
32 Andre Iguodala GSW 2016-17 16 417.0 871 864 99.9 +2.9 -1.8 +.043 +1.6 +4.7 -.001 +.053 +4.9 +4.6 +.047 +12.3
33 Kevin Love CLE 2016-17 18 576.5 1156 1135 95.4 +2.0 -2.1 +.035 +3.2 +3.0 +.063 +.055 +4.8 +7.2 -.039 +12.1
34 Boris Diaw SAS 2015-16 9 157.8 309 303 93.1 +1.5 +2.4 +.006 +5.5 +7.9 +.117 +.038 +3.3 +1.8 +.095 +11.9
35 Josh McRoberts MIA 2015-16 10 133.7 250 253 90.3 +5.7 +7.2 +.034 +2.2 +7.5 -.013 +.044 -1.8 -3.6 +.052 +11.8
36 Draymond Green GSW 2014-15 21 780.9 1557 1563 95.9 +5.0 +1.3 +.054 +5.0 +9.6 +.061 +.083 -3.3 -4.1 -.012 +11.7
37 Chris Paul LAC 2015-16 4 124.6 248 248 95.6 +5.0 -2.7 +.070 -1.5 -10.4 +.064 +.063 +3.1 +8.5 -.115 +11.6
38 JaVale McGee GSW 2017-18 13 157.0 308 310 94.5 +6.4 -7.3 +.114 -1.2 -4.0 +.003 +.112 0.0 -0.3 +.015 +11.6
39 Álex Abrines OKC 2017-18 6 109.0 226 219 98.0 +6.6 +4.0 +.058 +1.8 -6.2 +.130 +.066 -3.5 -10.6 +.144 +11.5
40 Markieff Morris WAS 2016-17 13 372.0 742 737 95.4 +5.3 +7.6 +.021 -1.9 -3.9 -.022 +.004 +2.8 +0.6 +.107 +11.5
Rk Player Tm Season G MP Tm Opp Pace FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% eFG% FT FTA FT% PTS
41 Jimmy Butler PHI 2018-19 12 421.0 856 849 97.2 +4.8 -0.5 +.058 +0.2 -5.4 +.065 +.060 +1.4 +2.4 -.023 +11.2
42 J.R. Smith CLE 2015-16 21 727.5 1386 1393 91.7 +3.4 +3.1 +.024 +2.1 +0.8 +.058 +.034 +2.0 +3.0 -.011 +11.0
43 Kevon Looney GSW 2018-19 21 444.7 886 897 96.2 +4.4 -2.6 +.067 +0.3 -3.1 +.045 +.072 +1.6 +1.7 +.007 +10.8
44 Draymond Green GSW 2017-18 21 813.4 1628 1627 96.0 +5.3 -2.3 +.073 +1.1 -1.4 +.047 +.081 -0.8 -2.4 +.055 +10.7
45 Jordan Bell GSW 2017-18 17 171.3 340 336 94.7 +7.0 +3.4 +.065 +2.5 -2.8 +.104 +.077 -5.9 -5.6 -.063 +10.6
46 Jerami Grant OKC 2017-18 6 131.5 264 264 96.4 +6.6 +8.0 +.038 +2.2 -3.7 +.100 +.045 -4.7 -8.4 +.055 +10.6
47 Lou Williams HOU 2016-17 11 270.4 549 550 97.5 +0.7 -6.7 +.044 +3.7 +7.1 +.041 +.071 +5.3 +4.4 +.076 +10.5
48 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 2018-19 15 514.4 1070 1068 99.7 +3.3 -2.1 +.047 +0.2 +2.0 -.013 +.050 +3.8 +8.5 -.099 +10.5
49 Brook Lopez MIL 2018-19 15 438.8 903 901 98.7 +5.5 -0.9 +.066 -0.1 +1.1 -.013 +.066 -0.3 +2.1 -.082 +10.5
50 Victor Oladipo IND 2017-18 7 259.7 496 495 91.6 +8.5 +5.0 +.080 -0.2 -6.1 +.060 +.075 -6.5 -6.1 -.081 +10.3
51 Kawhi Leonard SAS 2016-17 12 427.8 800 797 89.6 +3.9 +2.7 +.033 -2.2 -6.6 +.010 +.017 +4.7 +5.2 +.011 +10.3
52 Tristan Thompson CLE 2015-16 21 619.5 1171 1184 91.2 +2.9 +2.3 +.023 +1.5 -1.9 +.073 +.030 +2.9 +4.2 -.013 +10.2
53 Serge Ibaka OKC 2015-16 18 599.2 1216 1206 97.0 +2.2 0.0 +.025 -0.1 -0.3 +.002 +.024 +5.7 +5.7 +.052 +9.9
54 Pau Gasol CHI 2014-15 10 315.2 608 595 91.6 +2.1 -5.0 +.051 +2.6 +4.0 +.049 +.069 +3.0 +4.0 +.005 +9.9
55 J.R. Smith CLE 2016-17 18 485.5 977 978 96.6 +2.1 -1.3 +.031 +3.4 +3.1 +.065 +.052 +2.3 +4.6 -.051 +9.8
56 Khris Middleton MIL 2018-19 15 515.6 1066 1063 99.1 +2.6 -2.6 +.043 +0.8 +1.2 +.011 +.050 +3.7 +6.7 -.055 +9.8
57 Sterling Brown MIL 2018-19 11 162.0 338 343 100.9 +1.8 -5.3 +.044 +2.4 +3.3 +.036 +.060 +3.9 +7.4 -.064 +9.8
58 Myles Turner IND 2017-18 7 195.4 377 377 92.6 +5.2 -2.0 +.077 -1.5 -12.3 +.088 +.069 +1.0 +2.0 -.023 +9.8
59 Taj Gibson OKC 2016-17 5 118.3 234 235 95.1 +7.3 -4.5 +.112 -0.8 -15.4 +.109 +.110 -4.1 -1.2 -.113 +9.7
60 Stephen Curry GSW 2014-15 21 822.3 1649 1642 96.1 +4.0 +1.1 +.042 +5.3 +10.2 +.070 +.073 -3.6 -4.2 -.021 +9.7
Rk Player Tm Season G MP Tm Opp Pace FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% eFG% FT FTA FT% PTS
61 Ersan İlyasova PHI 2017-18 10 231.4 477 477 98.9 +4.6 +6.0 +.023 -1.0 +0.8 -.044 +.013 +1.7 +2.1 +.006 +9.7
62 Eric Bledsoe MIL 2018-19 15 423.5 883 886 100.3 +3.7 -1.2 +.048 -0.2 +0.6 -.011 +.048 +2.4 +7.0 -.112 +9.6
63 Terry Rozier BOS 2016-17 17 276.6 556 560 96.8 +3.5


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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#50 » by Marcus » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:40 pm

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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#51 » by E-Balla » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:51 pm

The_Hater wrote:
ninjamilk23 wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
Draymond is still one of the top players in the league and shows up deep into the playoffs every season Meanwhile Russell has never been among the top 35 players in the league. He can’t defend, he’s an inefficient scorer while monopolizing the ball and he was an absolute disaster in his first playoff appearance last season.

This entire line of thinking is pretty ridiculous.


But would you rather start a team with Dlo or Draymond? Steph and Klay definitely plays a huge role why Draymond is considered an all-star today.


Draymond. Easily.

If you start a team with Draymond, you have a good chance of creating an elite defense and havea gamer, an excellent team player and a clutch playoff performer.

If you start a team with DLo you likely end up in the lottery. And if you do make the playoffs, DLo might not show up again because frankly he’s not that reliable a scorer. But your team has a pretty low ceiling that’s for sure.

Right now DLo is the 4th best player on the Warriors so luckily they don’t have to rely on him.

He made the playoffs last year and made the ASG as a 22 year old lottery pick PG, something only HOFers, Baron Davis, Ben Simmons, and MVPs (Rose, Westbrook) have done.

He's improved every season too. It's strange how people can sleep on him at this point.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#52 » by JonFromVA » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:26 pm

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:
Mogspan wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
On /off for a low volume player isnt that impressive.
Its like the epitome of a role player, so what his team has success when he is on the floor? That is his role because there isnt 1 traditional stat he excels in, which most role players at least do.
On/off is like the 10th thing you look at when evaluating a player.


Bro, the Warriors got outscored by more than 10(!) points per 100 possessions when he sat. Steph sitting saw them at "only" -7.1. +/- is noisy over a small sample, but he consistently leads his team in playoff +/- because he is incredibly valuable and has a huge impact on the game. I don't care if he couldn't lead a 13th seed team to the 8th seed as the primary scorer. Not being a major scoring threat doesn't relegate one to a "role player." Everyone has a role, and it turns out that Draymond his stupendous at his. There are less than 10 players in the league who are good enough to win a title as their team's primary offensive option. Draymond is more valuable than practically anyone who isn't one of those players because his skillset doesn't detract from those of more traditional stars.


JaVale McGee is the best playoff performer of the last 5 years and I have stats to prove it.
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1 JaVale McGee GSW 2016-17 16 146.8 323 315 104.3 +9.5 -2.3 +.115 +5.2 +3.3 +.130 +.145 +1.6 +1.6 +.011 +25.8
2 Joel Embiid PHI 2018-19 11 334.8 673 669 96.2 +6.7 -4.0 +.100 +1.4 -1.7 +.062 +.112 +5.4 +6.0 +.030 +20.4
3 Stephen Curry GSW 2016-17 17 597.0 1279 1272 102.5 +6.4 -3.4 +.087 +4.2 +4.3 +.078 +.113 +2.7 +1.8 +.047 +19.6
4 Zaza Pachulia GSW 2016-17 15 210.9 440 435 99.6 +5.0 +0.7 +.052 +2.0 -0.5 +.064 +.063 +6.6 +7.1 +.047 +18.7
5 Draymond Green GSW 2016-17 17 590.3 1239 1241 100.8 +6.8 -1.0 +.082 +3.2 +2.9 +.065 +.101 +1.6 +0.5 +.051 +18.5
6 Jarrett Jack BRK 2014-15 6 152.4 308 306 96.7 +8.5 -1.9 +.111 +1.9 -7.9 +.153 +.123 -0.6 +0.3 -.044 +18.3
7 Kevin Durant GSW 2016-17 15 530.2 1116 1112 100.9 +5.6 -3.7 +.083 +3.9 +2.9 +.088 +.107 +0.9 -0.8 +.062 +16.0
8 Patty Mills SAS 2015-16 10 166.4 324 323 93.3 +4.6 +3.2 +.039 +5.8 +3.8 +.216 +.073 +0.9 -0.9 +.074 +15.9
9 Klay Thompson GSW 2016-17 17 592.1 1240 1234 100.3 +5.6 -2.3 +.075 +2.8 +2.8 +.056 +.092 +1.6 +1.2 +.029 +15.6
10 Ersan İlyasova MIL 2018-19 15 272.0 557 561 98.6 +4.4 -4.1 +.072 +2.5 +0.9 +.061 +.090 +4.2 +6.9 -.044 +15.5
11 David Lee GSW 2014-15 13 105.4 206 201 92.7 +4.6 +0.5 +.051 +10.5 +10.5 +.283 +.112 -4.1 -4.1 -.051 +15.5
12 Kevin Love CLE 2014-15 4 106.3 207 206 93.2 +3.2 -0.5 +.040 +6.3 +9.0 +.126 +.078 +2.7 +7.7 -.149 +15.4
13 Patty Mills SAS 2014-15 7 112.2 231 229 98.4 +4.7 +5.6 +.027 +11.1 +16.3 +.183 +.091 -5.1 -10.3 +.055 +15.4
14 Channing Frye CLE 2015-16 17 236.0 446 450 91.1 +7.5 +3.7 +.075 +4.7 +5.7 +.080 +.102 -4.7 -4.9 -.064 +15.1
15 Tim Duncan SAS 2015-16 10 216.3 411 411 91.2 +8.2 +0.7 +.095 +2.0 -4.7 +.214 +.107 -3.3 -3.8 -.013 +15.1
16 Manu Ginóbili SAS 2015-16 10 190.6 377 377 95.0 +6.5 +4.0 +.058 +3.3 +2.8 +.109 +.076 -1.3 -0.3 -.042 +15.1
17 Thon Maker MIL 2017-18 6 129.4 242 244 90.1 +7.4 0.0 +.097 0.0 -1.1 +.015 +.097 -0.4 +0.4 -.028 +14.5
18 Dāvis Bertāns SAS 2016-17 13 111.5 229 219 96.4 +5.2 -0.4 +.063 -1.3 -6.5 +.033 +.056 +5.2 +10.8 -.105 +14.2
19 Nenê Hilário HOU 2016-17 9 161.0 336 339 100.6 +3.9 -6.6 +.078 +1.5 -0.6 +.052 +.091 +4.2 +0.9 +.107 +13.4
20 Quinn Cook GSW 2017-18 17 172.2 357 352 98.8 +5.0 +5.3 +.031 +0.8 +0.8 +.022 +.033 +2.5 +0.8 +.074 +13.4
Rk Player Tm Season G MP Tm Opp Pace FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% eFG% FT FTA FT% PTS
21 Andre Iguodala GSW 2017-18 15 398.8 815 818 98.3 +5.4 -1.2 +.069 +1.6 +0.5 +.045 +.079 +0.8 -0.1 +.046 +13.2
22 Gerald Green MIA 2015-16 12 109.2 205 207 90.5 +8.4 +10.1 +.057 +3.1 +2.2 +.126 +.073 -6.6 -7.9 -.039 +13.2
23 Stephen Curry GSW 2017-18 15 550.9 1122 1110 97.2 +5.4 -0.6 +.065 +1.8 -1.3 +.066 +.076 +0.2 -2.0 +.089 +12.8
24 Malcolm Brogdon MIL 2018-19 7 198.4 396 403 96.6 +6.8 -2.2 +.091 +0.7 -0.7 +.028 +.097 -1.5 +0.5 -.069 +12.8
25 Mike Scott WAS 2017-18 6 124.4 262 256 100.0 +6.2 +3.9 +.049 -1.9 -6.2 +.022 +.036 +2.3 -1.2 +.139 +12.7
26 Meyers Leonard POR 2014-15 5 105.8 208 198 92.1 0.0 -3.2 +.015 +7.7 +16.8 +.096 +.060 +5.0 +5.9 +.009 +12.7
27 LeBron James CLE 2016-17 18 742.8 1482 1479 95.7 +2.2 -3.2 +.044 +3.2 +2.8 +.066 +.065 +5.0 +7.0 -.020 +12.6
28 Kevin Love CLE 2015-16 20 610.1 1150 1144 90.2 +3.1 +3.9 +.016 +3.2 +1.7 +.085 +.032 +3.2 +4.8 -.023 +12.6
29 T.J. McConnell PHI 2017-18 10 153.0 309 311 97.3 +6.3 +0.9 +.068 +0.6 -3.1 +.063 +.071 -0.6 -1.9 +.031 +12.6
30 LeBron James CLE 2015-16 21 818.8 1545 1546 90.6 +4.5 +3.1 +.037 +2.1 +0.4 +.065 +.047 +1.3 +2.5 -.023 +12.3
31 Kevin Durant GSW 2017-18 21 802.5 1624 1620 97.0 +5.5 -2.5 +.076 +1.2 -1.9 +.057 +.085 +0.1 -0.8 +.036 +12.3
32 Andre Iguodala GSW 2016-17 16 417.0 871 864 99.9 +2.9 -1.8 +.043 +1.6 +4.7 -.001 +.053 +4.9 +4.6 +.047 +12.3
33 Kevin Love CLE 2016-17 18 576.5 1156 1135 95.4 +2.0 -2.1 +.035 +3.2 +3.0 +.063 +.055 +4.8 +7.2 -.039 +12.1
34 Boris Diaw SAS 2015-16 9 157.8 309 303 93.1 +1.5 +2.4 +.006 +5.5 +7.9 +.117 +.038 +3.3 +1.8 +.095 +11.9
35 Josh McRoberts MIA 2015-16 10 133.7 250 253 90.3 +5.7 +7.2 +.034 +2.2 +7.5 -.013 +.044 -1.8 -3.6 +.052 +11.8
36 Draymond Green GSW 2014-15 21 780.9 1557 1563 95.9 +5.0 +1.3 +.054 +5.0 +9.6 +.061 +.083 -3.3 -4.1 -.012 +11.7
37 Chris Paul LAC 2015-16 4 124.6 248 248 95.6 +5.0 -2.7 +.070 -1.5 -10.4 +.064 +.063 +3.1 +8.5 -.115 +11.6
38 JaVale McGee GSW 2017-18 13 157.0 308 310 94.5 +6.4 -7.3 +.114 -1.2 -4.0 +.003 +.112 0.0 -0.3 +.015 +11.6
39 Álex Abrines OKC 2017-18 6 109.0 226 219 98.0 +6.6 +4.0 +.058 +1.8 -6.2 +.130 +.066 -3.5 -10.6 +.144 +11.5
40 Markieff Morris WAS 2016-17 13 372.0 742 737 95.4 +5.3 +7.6 +.021 -1.9 -3.9 -.022 +.004 +2.8 +0.6 +.107 +11.5
Rk Player Tm Season G MP Tm Opp Pace FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% eFG% FT FTA FT% PTS
41 Jimmy Butler PHI 2018-19 12 421.0 856 849 97.2 +4.8 -0.5 +.058 +0.2 -5.4 +.065 +.060 +1.4 +2.4 -.023 +11.2
42 J.R. Smith CLE 2015-16 21 727.5 1386 1393 91.7 +3.4 +3.1 +.024 +2.1 +0.8 +.058 +.034 +2.0 +3.0 -.011 +11.0
43 Kevon Looney GSW 2018-19 21 444.7 886 897 96.2 +4.4 -2.6 +.067 +0.3 -3.1 +.045 +.072 +1.6 +1.7 +.007 +10.8
44 Draymond Green GSW 2017-18 21 813.4 1628 1627 96.0 +5.3 -2.3 +.073 +1.1 -1.4 +.047 +.081 -0.8 -2.4 +.055 +10.7
45 Jordan Bell GSW 2017-18 17 171.3 340 336 94.7 +7.0 +3.4 +.065 +2.5 -2.8 +.104 +.077 -5.9 -5.6 -.063 +10.6
46 Jerami Grant OKC 2017-18 6 131.5 264 264 96.4 +6.6 +8.0 +.038 +2.2 -3.7 +.100 +.045 -4.7 -8.4 +.055 +10.6
47 Lou Williams HOU 2016-17 11 270.4 549 550 97.5 +0.7 -6.7 +.044 +3.7 +7.1 +.041 +.071 +5.3 +4.4 +.076 +10.5
48 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 2018-19 15 514.4 1070 1068 99.7 +3.3 -2.1 +.047 +0.2 +2.0 -.013 +.050 +3.8 +8.5 -.099 +10.5
49 Brook Lopez MIL 2018-19 15 438.8 903 901 98.7 +5.5 -0.9 +.066 -0.1 +1.1 -.013 +.066 -0.3 +2.1 -.082 +10.5
50 Victor Oladipo IND 2017-18 7 259.7 496 495 91.6 +8.5 +5.0 +.080 -0.2 -6.1 +.060 +.075 -6.5 -6.1 -.081 +10.3
51 Kawhi Leonard SAS 2016-17 12 427.8 800 797 89.6 +3.9 +2.7 +.033 -2.2 -6.6 +.010 +.017 +4.7 +5.2 +.011 +10.3
52 Tristan Thompson CLE 2015-16 21 619.5 1171 1184 91.2 +2.9 +2.3 +.023 +1.5 -1.9 +.073 +.030 +2.9 +4.2 -.013 +10.2
53 Serge Ibaka OKC 2015-16 18 599.2 1216 1206 97.0 +2.2 0.0 +.025 -0.1 -0.3 +.002 +.024 +5.7 +5.7 +.052 +9.9
54 Pau Gasol CHI 2014-15 10 315.2 608 595 91.6 +2.1 -5.0 +.051 +2.6 +4.0 +.049 +.069 +3.0 +4.0 +.005 +9.9
55 J.R. Smith CLE 2016-17 18 485.5 977 978 96.6 +2.1 -1.3 +.031 +3.4 +3.1 +.065 +.052 +2.3 +4.6 -.051 +9.8
56 Khris Middleton MIL 2018-19 15 515.6 1066 1063 99.1 +2.6 -2.6 +.043 +0.8 +1.2 +.011 +.050 +3.7 +6.7 -.055 +9.8
57 Sterling Brown MIL 2018-19 11 162.0 338 343 100.9 +1.8 -5.3 +.044 +2.4 +3.3 +.036 +.060 +3.9 +7.4 -.064 +9.8
58 Myles Turner IND 2017-18 7 195.4 377 377 92.6 +5.2 -2.0 +.077 -1.5 -12.3 +.088 +.069 +1.0 +2.0 -.023 +9.8
59 Taj Gibson OKC 2016-17 5 118.3 234 235 95.1 +7.3 -4.5 +.112 -0.8 -15.4 +.109 +.110 -4.1 -1.2 -.113 +9.7
60 Stephen Curry GSW 2014-15 21 822.3 1649 1642 96.1 +4.0 +1.1 +.042 +5.3 +10.2 +.070 +.073 -3.6 -4.2 -.021 +9.7
Rk Player Tm Season G MP Tm Opp Pace FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% eFG% FT FTA FT% PTS
61 Ersan İlyasova PHI 2017-18 10 231.4 477 477 98.9 +4.6 +6.0 +.023 -1.0 +0.8 -.044 +.013 +1.7 +2.1 +.006 +9.7
62 Eric Bledsoe MIL 2018-19 15 423.5 883 886 100.3 +3.7 -1.2 +.048 -0.2 +0.6 -.011 +.048 +2.4 +7.0 -.112 +9.6
63 Terry Rozier BOS 2016-17 17 276.6 556 560 96.8 +3.5


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JaVale was pretty amazing in his 9.3 mpg that season, but it was only 9.3 mpg.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#53 » by LakersLegacy » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:41 pm

The Backlash from the back to back cHeat and the hollow back 2 back championship Durant’s championship - in combination with Kawhi doing it in a way similar to 2011 Mavs/2009 and 2010 Lakers made it back in style to win without an overly stacked team.

The Warriors losing Durant also made it seem like there is more parity. Even though they still have Step, Klay, Green and DAngelo. 4 all-stars.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#54 » by kodo » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:57 pm

Nobody wants to be the Bosh or Love of the big 3 format.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#55 » by minami » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:52 am

Dray is a great role player, but he has been severely overrated over the last years.

GS were a great team with a genius in Curry and two (again) great role players in Klay and Dray (specially the former), with also a nice depth (Bogut, Livingston, Barnes, Iguodala, Lee, Speights...).
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#56 » by The_Hater » Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:32 am

bearadonisdna wrote:
The_Hater wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
A hang up is a lingering issue but i must have confused you for with another poster.
Regarding draymond i clearly said i respect him and am not diminishing him as a player.
Lets think could draymond take a team to the playoffs being a teams best player?
Probably impossible.


He absolutely could take a team to the plyaoffs as the best player. The problem is, you and some others seem to think that the best player and the top scorer have to be the same person and that's simply not true. With Draymond, you just have to build your team differently.

No different than the Celtics going to the conference finals two seasons ago with Al Horford as clearly their best players. 4th leading scorer in the plyaoffs but their best player. Then Irving the top scorer returned and their team was actually worse.

The fact that I need to sell you on the idea that Draymond is an elite player makes me think that you won't ever comprehend this line of thinking. You clearly overrate scoring and you underrate all-around play as does any person who thinks Russell > Green.



Irving would clear and away be considered the celtics best player. Even if he was toxic, the talent and skill level compared to horford is in a different tier..


Irving didn’t play in the 2018 playoffs.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#57 » by Optms » Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:40 am

j-ragg wrote:Seems like duos are the thing now instead of big 3s.


Its only that way because KD got injured. If that never happened, the Dubs Dynasty would still be rolling.

If I'm any one of these teams GM with two elite duos, I'm doing everything in my power to acquire that third star. The NBA is wide open right now.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#58 » by Indomitable » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:17 am

DimesandKnicks wrote:
bearadonisdna wrote:
DimesandKnicks wrote:
Unless you are an elite defender, you know that other side of the ball that matters. And an elite passer who almost averaged a triple double in the playoffs.


Yeah that side of the ball matters but this is an offensive league.
The defensive narrative is respectable but outdated.


:noway: I really wish ya'll would actually watch basketball before commenting on it.

He does but he just does not get it. He thinks the Knicks have a lot of talent.
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#59 » by Wagonband » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:59 am

minami wrote:Dray is a great role player, but he has been severely overrated over the last years.

GS were a great team with a genius in Curry and two (again) great role players in Klay and Dray (specially the former), with also a nice depth (Bogut, Livingston, Barnes, Iguodala, Lee, Speights...).


What depth? I mean it was a popular narrative, but you do know that all of those players were out of the league basically once KD got there? Livingston and Iggy were the only ones that had a few good years left. Bogut was good, but the injuries took their toll. The other guys mentioned are as replacable as any in the NBA... There's so many SF's better than Barnes, so many backup bigs better or equal to Speights and Lee, so many better guys of the bench then Barbossa or brandon rush or Justin Holiday... I don't remember who else was there tbh...

Green is a star. He is not a superstar, but he is a star level player. Why do you think he always gets voted into the all-star game by the coaches? Like think about this. Do you really think you know better than the coaches of the NBA that make millions of dollars, and spend every waking moment of their lives thinking about basketball? If you vote someone an all-star 3 years in a row, you are definetly saying that guy is a star.

So if guys like Popovich, Carslile and Rivers think Dray is a star, he is one. Just not in a traditional sense
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Re: What happened to the Big 3 roster format? 

Post#60 » by Pennebaker » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:05 am

Nothing happened to it. Teams are still trying to form Big 3s. Circumstances just prevented a sexy one from being made this offseason, but I think we'll see it happen again next offseason.
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