Jaylen Brown turned down $80M

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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#141 » by BigTrade92 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:11 pm

Prokorov wrote:
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-owner said it wasnt (just kyrie)
-GM said it wasnt kyrie
-coach said it wasnt kyrie
-2 former player said it wasnt (just) kyrie
-2 current player said it wasnt (just kyrie)

but yeah brown was just a victim of cancerous kyrie :roll:

Brown has the leagues biggest ego. he refused to accept his role and had issue with Heyward, Morris, Baynes, and Kyrie.

It was Kyrie.

You’re in the honeymoon phase and that’s cool, but let time take effect.



Owner, Coach, GM, former players, current players: it wanst kyrie/wasnt just kyrie

super biased scorned celtics fan on GM: it was kyrie

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kyrie is going to be fine here because our players are hardworking, humble and accepting of all roles... then there is also that he actually wants to be here and doesnt hate our city

No crap. The owner, GM and current players aren’t going to bad mouth a guy that’s no longer on the team. That would be an extremely bad look around the league and would have negative ramifications in the future. There’s this little thing called “professionalism”.

Kyrie is a cancer. There’s numerous credited reports that say the complete opposite of what you’re spewing, but hey, it’s super cute to see Nets fans all anxious and excited.

Just give it some time...
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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#143 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:15 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:We got 4/100 for him in the summer.

Why would Toronto want to tie their cap space in him when they're going after Giannis?

Also I think there's a chance Ainge would match that. It gets real if the numbers get into 27, 28 mil per year
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Post#144 » by BostonKnight » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:16 pm

The problem with last years Celtics team was at least 70 percent due to Kyrie's toxicity and poor leadership. These guys are profession for the most part, of course no one from the organization is going to say this explicitly, that would be unprofessional. The only person to somewhat stand up to Kyrie while he was dragging everyone from Brad to his teammates in the media was Brown and now he is being labeled as disgruntled and selfish for doing so. Everyone from management to the media handle the guy with kids gloves while he was here.

I don't know what will happen in Brooklyn. Might not be the same disaster as he did get to determine his own destiny, however i suspect it will be the same result as the guy is just not a leader. As for Boston yes he was the number one thing ailing the locker room and even on the court with his lack of effort on D and unwillingness to keep the ball moving.
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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#145 » by GoCeltics123 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:17 pm

Also, Prokorov, take a hike bro. You actually pretended you knew **** about our team and about Al, like come on bro you don't know anything keep making **** up for clicks.

Kyrie was hated in Boston because he's a scumbag. He probably will like BKN because he's home and his BFFFL KD is there.

It's really that simple man. This is a Jaylen thread, not a Kyrie one.
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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#146 » by Edug27 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:18 pm

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Sign5 wrote:Its nauseating, at least most Heat fans can admit Riley (The 'Godfather' )missteps from 2014-2017 but ask Celtics fans about Ainge's blunders and they'll imply he can do no wrong and everything is calculated. :nonono:


Most fans can admit Danny's mistakes. All GM's make mistakes. Even Pop. But choosing not to trade for a player like AD and Kawhi who would be 1 and doners, I'm not sure falls into that 'mistake category'.


Maybe having Championships grow on trees with the Patriots has deluded your value of a title. Making a trade for a 1 year rental of Kawhi that results in a title is absolutely worth trading a guy like Tatum or Brown for, who in all likelihood will never be the #1 piece of a Championship in this league.


Yea.. You are right. I don’t think that trade off is worth it for most Boston fans. I don’t think the desperation is that serious at the moment as it is (and should be) with Toronto and Milwaukee. Maybe in time it will be though.

Also.. most people were telling Spurs fans that Kawhi wasn’t a number 1 piece on a championship team as well during his second season.
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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#147 » by 100proof » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:19 pm

Prokorov wrote:
BigTrade92 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
-owner said it wasnt (just kyrie)
-GM said it wasnt kyrie
-coach said it wasnt kyrie
-2 former player said it wasnt (just) kyrie
-2 current player said it wasnt (just kyrie)

but yeah brown was just a victim of cancerous kyrie :roll:

Brown has the leagues biggest ego. he refused to accept his role and had issue with Heyward, Morris, Baynes, and Kyrie.

It was Kyrie.

You’re in the honeymoon phase and that’s cool, but let time take effect.



Owner, Coach, GM, former players, current players: it wanst kyrie/wasnt just kyrie

super biased scorned celtics fan on GM: it was kyrie

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kyrie is going to be fine here because our players are hardworking, humble and accepting of all roles... then there is also that he actually wants to be here and doesnt hate our city


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2842210-celtics-rumors-kyrie-irving-had-issues-with-boston-brad-stevens-danny-ainge

https://985thesportshub.com/2019/06/25/nba-free-agency-kyrie-irving-tiff-danny-ainge-celtics/

https://chowderandchampions.com/2019/06/26/boston-celtics-rumors-danny-ainge-kyrie-irving-didnt-gel/

not sure where you get your info from, but yeah, it wasnt just Kyrie.

There was Rozier and Morris as well.
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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#148 » by BigTrade92 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:23 pm

100proof wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
BigTrade92 wrote:It was Kyrie.

You’re in the honeymoon phase and that’s cool, but let time take effect.



Owner, Coach, GM, former players, current players: it wanst kyrie/wasnt just kyrie

super biased scorned celtics fan on GM: it was kyrie

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kyrie is going to be fine here because our players are hardworking, humble and accepting of all roles... then there is also that he actually wants to be here and doesnt hate our city


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2842210-celtics-rumors-kyrie-irving-had-issues-with-boston-brad-stevens-danny-ainge

https://985thesportshub.com/2019/06/25/nba-free-agency-kyrie-irving-tiff-danny-ainge-celtics/

https://chowderandchampions.com/2019/06/26/boston-celtics-rumors-danny-ainge-kyrie-irving-didnt-gel/

not sure where you get your info from, but yeah, it wasnt just Kyrie.

There was Rozier and Morris as well.

Funny, all three guys aren’t on the team anymore...

Wonder why....
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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#149 » by GiannisAnte34 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:23 pm

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Edug27 wrote:
Most fans can admit Danny's mistakes. All GM's make mistakes. Even Pop. But choosing not to trade for a player like AD and Kawhi who would be 1 and doners, I'm not sure falls into that 'mistake category'.


Maybe having Championships grow on trees with the Patriots has deluded your value of a title. Making a trade for a 1 year rental of Kawhi that results in a title is absolutely worth trading a guy like Tatum or Brown for, who in all likelihood will never be the #1 piece of a Championship in this league.


Yea.. You are right. I don’t think that trade off is worth it for most Boston fans. I don’t think the desperation is that serious at the moment as it is (and should be) with Toronto and Milwaukee. Maybe in time it will be though.

Also.. most people were telling Spurs fans that Kawhi wasn’t a number 1 piece on a championship team as well during his second season.


With Kawhi the athleticism was always there. You are fooling yourself if you're trying to convince anyone that Brown or Tatum have freakish athleticism, they don't and that is just the plain and simple fact that will never change with them. You'd be extremely lucky to see Brown or Tatum become 1st team All-NBA players at any point in their careers.
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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#150 » by Fantaxp7 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:28 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Edug27 wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Maybe having Championships grow on trees with the Patriots has deluded your value of a title. Making a trade for a 1 year rental of Kawhi that results in a title is absolutely worth trading a guy like Tatum or Brown for, who in all likelihood will never be the #1 piece of a Championship in this league.


Yea.. You are right. I don’t think that trade off is worth it for most Boston fans. I don’t think the desperation is that serious at the moment as it is (and should be) with Toronto and Milwaukee. Maybe in time it will be though.

Also.. most people were telling Spurs fans that Kawhi wasn’t a number 1 piece on a championship team as well during his second season.


With Kawhi the athleticism was always there. You are fooling yourself if you're trying to convince anyone that Brown or Tatum have freakish athleticism, they don't and that is just the plain and simple fact that will never change with them. You'd be extremely lucky to see Brown or Tatum become 1st team All-NBA players at any point in their careers.


The one problem with this is all the question marks surrounding Kawhi before going into last season. That freak injury that made one of the most respectable franchises in all of sports look bad. No one was 100% on what Kawhi would look like when he was ready.

Raptors were more in a win now mode so that gamble, and yes it was a bit of a gamble, paid off handsomely. Even with him bolting.

If we had gotten Kawhi, dealt away many assets and he bolted along with Kyrie and Horford many would be criticizing Ainge ten fold.
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Post#151 » by GiannisAnte34 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:02 pm

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Yea.. You are right. I don’t think that trade off is worth it for most Boston fans. I don’t think the desperation is that serious at the moment as it is (and should be) with Toronto and Milwaukee. Maybe in time it will be though.

Also.. most people were telling Spurs fans that Kawhi wasn’t a number 1 piece on a championship team as well during his second season.


With Kawhi the athleticism was always there. You are fooling yourself if you're trying to convince anyone that Brown or Tatum have freakish athleticism, they don't and that is just the plain and simple fact that will never change with them. You'd be extremely lucky to see Brown or Tatum become 1st team All-NBA players at any point in their careers.


The one problem with this is all the question marks surrounding Kawhi before going into last season. That freak injury that made one of the most respectable franchises in all of sports look bad. No one was 100% on what Kawhi would look like when he was ready.

Raptors were more in a win now mode so that gamble, and yes it was a bit of a gamble, paid off handsomely. Even with him bolting.

If we had gotten Kawhi, dealt away many assets and he bolted along with Kyrie and Horford many would be criticizing Ainge ten fold.


Winning changes a lot of things. I really think swapping out Tatum or Brown for Kawhi was a Championship for Boston.

That is the thing that people should criticize Boston for, playing NOT to lose in this league isn't good enough. You have to be willing to gamble. The Lakers are taking a gamble on this season, but they have the potential to be paid off handsomely if things go right for them.
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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#152 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:09 pm

Prokorov wrote:
BigTrade92 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
-owner said it wasnt (just kyrie)
-GM said it wasnt kyrie
-coach said it wasnt kyrie
-2 former player said it wasnt (just) kyrie
-2 current player said it wasnt (just kyrie)

but yeah brown was just a victim of cancerous kyrie :roll:

Brown has the leagues biggest ego. he refused to accept his role and had issue with Heyward, Morris, Baynes, and Kyrie.

It was Kyrie.

You’re in the honeymoon phase and that’s cool, but let time take effect.



Owner, Coach, GM, former players, current players: it wanst kyrie/wasnt just kyrie

super biased scorned celtics fan on GM: it was kyrie

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kyrie is going to be fine here because our players are hardworking, humble and accepting of all roles... then there is also that he actually wants to be here and doesnt hate our city

Celtics fans are ecstatic that Kyrie Irving is gone.
Your overjoyed that Kyrie Irving is in Brooklyn.

Win/Win. Enjoy!
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Re: Jaylen Brown turned down $80M 

Post#153 » by Edug27 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:51 pm

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Maybe having Championships grow on trees with the Patriots has deluded your value of a title. Making a trade for a 1 year rental of Kawhi that results in a title is absolutely worth trading a guy like Tatum or Brown for, who in all likelihood will never be the #1 piece of a Championship in this league.


Yea.. You are right. I don’t think that trade off is worth it for most Boston fans. I don’t think the desperation is that serious at the moment as it is (and should be) with Toronto and Milwaukee. Maybe in time it will be though.

Also.. most people were telling Spurs fans that Kawhi wasn’t a number 1 piece on a championship team as well during his second season.


With Kawhi the athleticism was always there. You are fooling yourself if you're trying to convince anyone that Brown or Tatum have freakish athleticism, they don't and that is just the plain and simple fact that will never change with them. You'd be extremely lucky to see Brown or Tatum become 1st team All-NBA players at any point in their careers.


Confused a bit.

So you need freakish athleticism to be a #1 player on a contending team?
Most felt Kawhi would be a #1 player on a title team when he was 21?
Jaylen isn't a top notch athlete?
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Post#154 » by Edug27 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:53 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
BigTrade92 wrote:It was Kyrie.

You’re in the honeymoon phase and that’s cool, but let time take effect.



Owner, Coach, GM, former players, current players: it wanst kyrie/wasnt just kyrie

super biased scorned celtics fan on GM: it was kyrie

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kyrie is going to be fine here because our players are hardworking, humble and accepting of all roles... then there is also that he actually wants to be here and doesnt hate our city

Celtics fans are ecstatic that Kyrie Irving is gone.
Your overjoyed that Kyrie Irving is in Brooklyn.

Win/Win. Enjoy!


Eh. As a C's fan, I'm not ecstatic he's gone. I wished it had worked out. Wish we had a better roster around him. Kyrie is elite, and feel his best days are still ahead of him.

Though I am ecstatic that we lost Kyrie but managed to replace him when Kemba. Though I get sad again knowing Horford left during the process.

So many emotions. Haha.
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Post#155 » by JH5 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:54 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Yogatti wrote:This is the guy Danny Ainge didn't want to give up when Paul George, Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard were demanding trades.

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3 of those 4 have been played for multiple teams in three years.

Ainge didn’t trade for them because he knew they wouldn’t stay. Smart decisions

One won a championship
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Post#156 » by Phystic » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:57 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Yogatti wrote:This is the guy Danny Ainge didn't want to give up when Paul George, Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard were demanding trades.

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3 of those 4 have been played for multiple teams in three years.

Ainge didn’t trade for them because he knew they wouldn’t stay. Smart decisions


One provided a championship, one was in the running for mvp, one is one of the best players in the NBA. What exactly has Jaylen done in the league to warrant keeping him over taking any of those players?

Ainge got too stingy. Assets are meant to be used to improve. He's done the opposite with them.
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Post#157 » by Edug27 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:59 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:
Yogatti wrote:This is the guy Danny Ainge didn't want to give up when Paul George, Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard were demanding trades.

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3 of those 4 have been played for multiple teams in three years.

Ainge didn’t trade for them because he knew they wouldn’t stay. Smart decisions

One won a championship


All those are tough situations. Tough triggers to pull.

AD and Kawhi were clear one and dones. AD even went as far as his agent sending a public warning against Boston making a move. And Kawhi, well, everyone just knew.

George and Butler aren't franchise changers.
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Post#158 » by Edug27 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:01 pm

Phystic wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Yogatti wrote:This is the guy Danny Ainge didn't want to give up when Paul George, Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler and Kawhi Leonard were demanding trades.

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3 of those 4 have been played for multiple teams in three years.

Ainge didn’t trade for them because he knew they wouldn’t stay. Smart decisions


One provided a championship, one was in the running for mvp, one is one of the best players in the NBA. What exactly has Jaylen done in the league to warrant keeping him over taking any of those players?

Ainge got too stingy. Assets are meant to be used to improve. He's done the opposite with them.


Many teams have assets and good young players with potential. And Pop managed to get an expiring Derozan, of all players, for Kawhi. There's a reason man.

Danny couldnt find the deal to "strike gold" in his eyes, like he did with KG. Both players are still young. Lets see how they continue to develop.
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Post#159 » by GiannisAnte34 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:06 pm

Edug27 wrote:
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Yea.. You are right. I don’t think that trade off is worth it for most Boston fans. I don’t think the desperation is that serious at the moment as it is (and should be) with Toronto and Milwaukee. Maybe in time it will be though.

Also.. most people were telling Spurs fans that Kawhi wasn’t a number 1 piece on a championship team as well during his second season.


With Kawhi the athleticism was always there. You are fooling yourself if you're trying to convince anyone that Brown or Tatum have freakish athleticism, they don't and that is just the plain and simple fact that will never change with them. You'd be extremely lucky to see Brown or Tatum become 1st team All-NBA players at any point in their careers.


Confused a bit.

So you need freakish athleticism to be a #1 player on a contending team?
Most felt Kawhi would be a #1 player on a title team when he was 21?
Jaylen isn't a top notch athlete?


If Brown or Tatum are potential #1 players on contending teams then there are literally dozens of players in the NBA with the same potential. You can twist the argument however you want to feel better about it, but those two are nothing special as of today.
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Post#160 » by Phystic » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:08 pm

Edug27 wrote:
Phystic wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:3 of those 4 have been played for multiple teams in three years.

Ainge didn’t trade for them because he knew they wouldn’t stay. Smart decisions


One provided a championship, one was in the running for mvp, one is one of the best players in the NBA. What exactly has Jaylen done in the league to warrant keeping him over taking any of those players?

Ainge got too stingy. Assets are meant to be used to improve. He's done the opposite with them.


Many teams have assets and good young players with potential. And Pop managed to get an expiring Derozan, of all players, for Kawhi. There's a reason man.

Danny couldnt find the deal to "strike gold" in his eyes, like he did with KG. Both players are still young. Lets see how they continue to develop.



Ya like I said, Ainge got to stingy. Years of collecting and talking about his treasure chest only to pull the purse strings too tight when it came time to act. I get trying to push for stealing a top talent. And with a history and franchise like Boston, you should be comfortable betting on yourselves to retain a player. Especially if the only difference in Jaylen Brown. All I've seen from Brown(admittedly not a lot of data ) is a decent role player. He hasn't shown any signs of being a star/all star.

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