Jaylen Brown turned down $80M

[gpoon]

They just started negotiating. You don't negotiate by giving away the farm at the start of negotiations. So of course he turned down the initial offer.

The team will probably come up a bit and if they can't come to an agreement he'll still be restricted next summer. As a fan I'd love to lock him down now but it's not really a huge issue at this point.

i think there is more to it than that, low ball offers can be insulting. look what just happened yo Hield.

[the sea duck]

Jimmy Butler bet on himself when the Bulls reportedly offered a 4 year $44-48 million extension before his break out season. He then got the max the following offseason which was double that.

Jaylen betting on himself now the same way. But he ain’t no Jimmy Butler.

He's also roughly the age Jimmy was when Jimmy went on to average 8 points per game.

I mean Jimmy was drafted at like age 22 so, doing the age comparison is disingenuous.

Why's that? At age 22 you would have said Jimmy Butler ain't no Jimmy Butler. That's why it's so tricky with these young guys.

You think a comparison of 22 year old Jaylen to 25, 28, 30 year old Butler is a better comparison? You brought up Butler's name. How should we fit him into this discussion?

[Edug27]

With Kawhi the athleticism was always there. You are fooling yourself if you're trying to convince anyone that Brown or Tatum have freakish athleticism, they don't and that is just the plain and simple fact that will never change with them. You'd be extremely lucky to see Brown or Tatum become 1st team All-NBA players at any point in their careers.

Confused a bit.

So you need freakish athleticism to be a #1 player on a contending team?
Most felt Kawhi would be a #1 player on a title team when he was 21?
Jaylen isn't a top notch athlete?

If Brown or Tatum are potential #1 players on contending teams then there are literally dozens of players in the NBA with the same potential. You can twist the argument however you want to feel better about it, but those two are nothing special as of today.

Lol. Yes. Thats exactly my point. Steph Curry, Harden, Kawhi, etc... those players weren't seen as "#1 players" at age 22. Very few are. Teams evaluate the talent they have. Boston is extremely high on Tatum. They feel he can reach the potential they see in him. Most fans and some non bias media folks would agree. Let him hit his prime before you consider him "not All NBA talent". He clearly wasn't worth the "one and done" risk.

[Edug27]

One provided a championship, one was in the running for mvp, one is one of the best players in the NBA. What exactly has Jaylen done in the league to warrant keeping him over taking any of those players?

Ainge got too stingy. Assets are meant to be used to improve. He's done the opposite with them.

Many teams have assets and good young players with potential. And Pop managed to get an expiring Derozan, of all players, for Kawhi. There's a reason man.

Danny couldnt find the deal to "strike gold" in his eyes, like he did with KG. Both players are still young. Lets see how they continue to develop.

Ya like I said, Ainge got to stingy. Years of collecting and talking about his treasure chest only to pull the purse strings too tight when it came time to act. I get trying to push for stealing a top talent. And with a history and franchise like Boston, you should be comfortable betting on yourselves to retain a player. Especially if the only difference in Jaylen Brown. All I've seen from Brown(admittedly not a lot of data ) is a decent role player. He hasn't shown any signs of being a star/all star.

Again, you have to evaluate what he did with those assets. The team is super high on Tatum and Brown. Both players who were obtained through those assets. Too early to call those failures. Kyrie was obtained through those assets as well. Didn't quite work out there. But it was a move worth the risk at the time.

[Bad-Thoma]

3 of those 4 have been played for multiple teams in three years.

Ainge didn’t trade for them because he knew they wouldn’t stay. Smart decisions

All those draft picks and assets and all you ended up with is Kemba Walker. But keep convincing yourself it's a "smart decision"

All we have is Kemba Walker? Keep convincing yourself you know what you are talking about.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Someone will pay him because the f/a class next off season is atrocious.

[HoopsterJones]

He's also roughly the age Jimmy was when Jimmy went on to average 8 points per game.

I mean Jimmy was drafted at like age 22 so, doing the age comparison is disingenuous.

Why's that? At age 22 you would have said Jimmy Butler ain't no Jimmy Butler. That's why it's so tricky with these young guys.

You think a comparison of 22 year old Jaylen to 25, 28, 30 year old Butler is a better comparison? You brought up Butler's name. How should we fit him into this discussion?

How about the comparison of both players being eligible for an extension after the rookie contract? Which is exactly what I did.

[the sea duck]

I mean Jimmy was drafted at like age 22 so, doing the age comparison is disingenuous.

Why's that? At age 22 you would have said Jimmy Butler ain't no Jimmy Butler. That's why it's so tricky with these young guys.

You think a comparison of 22 year old Jaylen to 25, 28, 30 year old Butler is a better comparison? You brought up Butler's name. How should we fit him into this discussion?

How about the comparison of both players being eligible for an extension after the rookie contract? Which is exactly what I did.

So if their contract status is the reason you were comparing them, what about their contract status makes "Jaylen no Jimmy Butler"? Weren't you attempting to compare their value as players? And doesn't that comparison merit consideration all of the variables, among them, age?

[Ben-N1ce]

He will probably get more than 20 but that’s more the nature of NBA contracts not he’s a top 3 player on a title team.

[HoopsterJones]

Why's that? At age 22 you would have said Jimmy Butler ain't no Jimmy Butler. That's why it's so tricky with these young guys.

You think a comparison of 22 year old Jaylen to 25, 28, 30 year old Butler is a better comparison? You brought up Butler's name. How should we fit him into this discussion?

How about the comparison of both players being eligible for an extension after the rookie contract? Which is exactly what I did.

So if their contract status is the reason you were comparing them, what about their contract status makes "Jaylen no Jimmy Butler"? Weren't you attempting to compare their value as players? And doesn't that comparison merit consideration all of the variables, among them, age?

At the same juncture of their career as a NBA player there is an age difference. So comparing Jimmy at 22 as a rookie isn’t the same as comparing Jaylen Brown the 4 year pro who got a lot more playing time from game 1 of his career. You’re the one who brought in age that Jimmy didn’t put up stats at 22 years old. What factors into that was his playing time. Buried deep on the bench until Thibs gave him some burn because they were a contender and had no time to play rookies significant minutes.

So no you can’t equate the two players stats by age.
Jimmy broke out to be a star after he turned down the extension once he was given the minutes and the Bulls running the offense through him. I don’t see Jaylen being equal to Jimmy because he is not the playmaker, shooter, Free throw shooter, or defender Jimmy was/is.

So yeah. Jaylen ain’t no Jimmy Butler.

[Phystic]

Many teams have assets and good young players with potential. And Pop managed to get an expiring Derozan, of all players, for Kawhi. There's a reason man.

Danny couldnt find the deal to "strike gold" in his eyes, like he did with KG. Both players are still young. Lets see how they continue to develop.

Ya like I said, Ainge got to stingy. Years of collecting and talking about his treasure chest only to pull the purse strings too tight when it came time to act. I get trying to push for stealing a top talent. And with a history and franchise like Boston, you should be comfortable betting on yourselves to retain a player. Especially if the only difference in Jaylen Brown. All I've seen from Brown(admittedly not a lot of data ) is a decent role player. He hasn't shown any signs of being a star/all star.

Again, you have to evaluate what he did with those assets. The team is super high on Tatum and Brown. Both players who were obtained through those assets. Too early to call those failures. Kyrie was obtained through those assets as well. Didn't quite work out there. But it was a move worth the risk at the time.

Not failures at all. Tatum looks talented, brown is useful but unexceptional. Why is brown worth passing on Davis/Leonard/George?

I would Ainge would find it much better to bank on retaining one of them than hoping Brown turns into that level of player.

What was the rumored cost Boston would have to pay for those 3?

[Edug27]

Ya like I said, Ainge got to stingy. Years of collecting and talking about his treasure chest only to pull the purse strings too tight when it came time to act. I get trying to push for stealing a top talent. And with a history and franchise like Boston, you should be comfortable betting on yourselves to retain a player. Especially if the only difference in Jaylen Brown. All I've seen from Brown(admittedly not a lot of data ) is a decent role player. He hasn't shown any signs of being a star/all star.

Again, you have to evaluate what he did with those assets. The team is super high on Tatum and Brown. Both players who were obtained through those assets. Too early to call those failures. Kyrie was obtained through those assets as well. Didn't quite work out there. But it was a move worth the risk at the time.

Not failures at all. Tatum looks talented, brown is useful but unexceptional. Why is brown worth passing on Davis/Leonard/George?

I would Ainge would find it much better to bank on retaining one of them than hoping Brown turns into that level of player.

What was the rumored cost Boston would have to pay for those 3?

AD’s agent told Boston publicly not to make a trade.
Kawhi was a clear one and done.

George.. Sure. But while I like PG, I wouldn’t consider him the player we needed.

If either AD or Kawhi were willing to resign as KG did many moons ago... the trades would have been made. Not as black and white as you make the decisions. There were other teams with better packages than SA and LA got.. but teams know the chances of resigning a player.. and base that into the decision.

[Buzzard]

Jaylen is from Marietta, Georgia and if this was pre Travis/Rebuild Hawks, I am pretty sure they would chase him in free agency. Travis is fully entrenched with his draft picks now and poor free throw shooters, even young ones, do not fit his rebuild/draft scheme.

He is betting on himself and that is probably a good thing. I just hope Jaylen is not counting on the Hawks and their cap space in 2020.

[Darth Celtic]

How about the comparison of both players being eligible for an extension after the rookie contract? Which is exactly what I did.

So if their contract status is the reason you were comparing them, what about their contract status makes "Jaylen no Jimmy Butler"? Weren't you attempting to compare their value as players? And doesn't that comparison merit consideration all of the variables, among them, age?

At the same juncture of their career as a NBA player there is an age difference. So comparing Jimmy at 22 as a rookie isn’t the same as comparing Jaylen Brown the 4 year pro who got a lot more playing time from game 1 of his career. You’re the one who brought in age that Jimmy didn’t put up stats at 22 years old. What factors into that was his playing time. Buried deep on the bench until Thibs gave him some burn because they were a contender and had no time to play rookies significant minutes.

So no you can’t equate the two players stats by age.
Jimmy broke out to be a star after he turned down the extension once he was given the minutes and the Bulls running the offense through him. I don’t see Jaylen being equal to Jimmy because he is not the playmaker, shooter, Free throw shooter, or defender Jimmy was/is.

So yeah. Jaylen ain’t no Jimmy Butler.

Yet your own logic makes it worse for your argument. Take age drafted out completely. Butlers season 3 vs Browns season 3 even though Brown was drafted like 2-3 years younger than Butler was.

Butler 13.1 ppg, 5 rb, 2,6 a, less than 40% from 2 and 30% from 3, 38.7 mins per game to do all that.
Brown 13 ppg, 4rbs, 1.6 a, 46.5% from 2, 34.4% from 3, in only 25.9 mins per game.

It seems to me at year 3, regardless of the fact he was 2 years younger that same season than Butler, that calling Brown a Butler can't be out of line. Statistically we can show that it could happen.

I honestly don't think he'll ever reach to where Butler was in his top form, but I can't say for sure it won't happen looking at trends and player development.

Every time a prospect isn't Lebron dominant year 1, he's a bust, until he's not. Realgm forums seem to be very bad at this.

[F N 11]

Smart decision. If guys like Middleton and Tobias Harris are getting 180 mil contracts he can get one, too.

Just because Max money is being thrown around means guys deserve it. smh

[HoopsterJones]

So if their contract status is the reason you were comparing them, what about their contract status makes "Jaylen no Jimmy Butler"? Weren't you attempting to compare their value as players? And doesn't that comparison merit consideration all of the variables, among them, age?

At the same juncture of their career as a NBA player there is an age difference. So comparing Jimmy at 22 as a rookie isn’t the same as comparing Jaylen Brown the 4 year pro who got a lot more playing time from game 1 of his career. You’re the one who brought in age that Jimmy didn’t put up stats at 22 years old. What factors into that was his playing time. Buried deep on the bench until Thibs gave him some burn because they were a contender and had no time to play rookies significant minutes.

So no you can’t equate the two players stats by age.
Jimmy broke out to be a star after he turned down the extension once he was given the minutes and the Bulls running the offense through him. I don’t see Jaylen being equal to Jimmy because he is not the playmaker, shooter, Free throw shooter, or defender Jimmy was/is.

So yeah. Jaylen ain’t no Jimmy Butler.

Yet your own logic makes it worse for your argument. Take age drafted out completely. Butlers season 3 vs Browns season 3 even though Brown was drafted like 2-3 years younger than Butler was.

Butler 13.1 ppg, 5 rb, 2,6 a, less than 40% from 2 and 30% from 3, 38.7 mins per game to do all that.
Brown 13 ppg, 4rbs, 1.6 a, 46.5% from 2, 34.4% from 3, in only 25.9 mins per game.

It seems to me at year 3, regardless of the fact he was 2 years younger that same season than Butler, that calling Brown a Butler can't be out of line. Statistically we can show that it could happen.

I honestly don't think he'll ever reach to where Butler was in his top form, but I can't say for sure it won't happen looking at trends and player development.

Every time a prospect isn't Lebron dominant year 1, he's a bust, until he's not. Realgm forums seem to be very bad at this.

Didn’t say Jaylen was a bust.
Just that he’s no Jimmy Butler.

If Jaylen busts out with 20/5.8/3.3/ makes the all star team and 2nd team all defense this season. Then yes he’s on Jimmy Butler’s level. But I wouldn’t put money on that happening.

[Darth Celtic]

At the same juncture of their career as a NBA player there is an age difference. So comparing Jimmy at 22 as a rookie isn’t the same as comparing Jaylen Brown the 4 year pro who got a lot more playing time from game 1 of his career. You’re the one who brought in age that Jimmy didn’t put up stats at 22 years old. What factors into that was his playing time. Buried deep on the bench until Thibs gave him some burn because they were a contender and had no time to play rookies significant minutes.

So no you can’t equate the two players stats by age.
Jimmy broke out to be a star after he turned down the extension once he was given the minutes and the Bulls running the offense through him. I don’t see Jaylen being equal to Jimmy because he is not the playmaker, shooter, Free throw shooter, or defender Jimmy was/is.

So yeah. Jaylen ain’t no Jimmy Butler.

Yet your own logic makes it worse for your argument. Take age drafted out completely. Butlers season 3 vs Browns season 3 even though Brown was drafted like 2-3 years younger than Butler was.

Butler 13.1 ppg, 5 rb, 2,6 a, less than 40% from 2 and 30% from 3, 38.7 mins per game to do all that.
Brown 13 ppg, 4rbs, 1.6 a, 46.5% from 2, 34.4% from 3, in only 25.9 mins per game.

It seems to me at year 3, regardless of the fact he was 2 years younger that same season than Butler, that calling Brown a Butler can't be out of line. Statistically we can show that it could happen.

I honestly don't think he'll ever reach to where Butler was in his top form, but I can't say for sure it won't happen looking at trends and player development.

Every time a prospect isn't Lebron dominant year 1, he's a bust, until he's not. Realgm forums seem to be very bad at this.

Didn’t say Jaylen was a bust.
Just that he’s no Jimmy Butler.

If Jaylen busts out with 20/5.8/3.3/ makes the all star team and 2nd team all defense this season. Then yes he’s on Jimmy Butler’s level. But I wouldn’t put money on that happening.

Well of course he's not on Butler's level right now, he's 30 years old. Just like Zion is no Lebron James. But he could be. Nothing has shown to this point he can't be on the same curve other than your opinion that he won't.

[urgal]

Smart decision. If guys like Middleton and Tobias Harris are getting 180 mil contracts he can get one, too.

Just because Max money is being thrown around means guys deserve it. smh

Who exactly said that?
All I said is players (and their agents) aren't dumb. They see what's being thrown around and want their piece of the pie.

Jaylen Brown probably doesn't even deserve the 80 mil. But that's not the point.

[everdiso]

Yr3: -1.1rpm, -2.1bpm, -1.5raptor = -1.6avg
Yr2: +1.4rpm, -0.2bpm, +1.8raptor = +1.0avg
Yr1: -3.4rpm, -4.0bpm, -3.8raptor = -3.7avg

Career Average: -1.5

Trade him while you can, Danny.

[everdiso]

Yea.. You are right. I don’t think that trade off is worth it for most Boston fans. I don’t think the desperation is that serious at the moment as it is (and should be) with Toronto and Milwaukee. Maybe in time it will be though.

Also.. most people were telling Spurs fans that Kawhi wasn’t a number 1 piece on a championship team as well during his second season.

With Kawhi the athleticism was always there. You are fooling yourself if you're trying to convince anyone that Brown or Tatum have freakish athleticism, they don't and that is just the plain and simple fact that will never change with them. You'd be extremely lucky to see Brown or Tatum become 1st team All-NBA players at any point in their careers.

Confused a bit.

So you need freakish athleticism to be a #1 player on a contending team?
Most felt Kawhi would be a #1 player on a title team when he was 21?
Jaylen isn't a top notch athlete?

Age 20:

Brown: -3.4rpm, -4.0bpm, -3.8raptor = -3.7avg
Kawhi: ????rpm, +4.3bpm, ???raptor = +4.3avg

Age 21:

Brown: +1.4rpm, -0.2bpm, +1.8raptor = +1.0avg
Kawhi: ????rpm, +3.9bpm, ????raptor = +3.9avg

Age 22

Brown: -1.1rpm, -2.1bpm, -1.5raptor = -1.6avg
Kawhi: +3.0rpm, +5.8bpm, +6.6raptor = +5.1avg