Would you rather have Luka or Zion?

NatiboyB · Post #21 » by **NatiboyB** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:15 pm

since I am starting the team from scratch I would take Zion...But if I had other players already that would factor into my selection between the two.

Curmudgeon · Post #22 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:15 pm

Luka will have a much longer career. Isn't it obvious?

Post #23 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:27 pm

Factorq wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Zion is literally so athletic that people are using it as a negative This is totally new.

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Agreed. There is nothing concerning about a 285 lbs. man landing after nearly jumping four feet in the air. There is no chance he'll have knee issues if he stays at his current weight.

There is nothing to suggest 250, or 260, or 270 pound men should be doing it either, but lo and behold, we watched someone do it for a decade.

What's the cutoff weight/vertical ratio for injury prone label for guys with no real injury history? 270 plus 40+ inches?

Bum Adebayo · Post #24 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:38 pm

Zion's likely outcome if he is healthy is a top 15 player of all time, Luka's likely outcome is maybe a top 100 player of all time. So it is Zion for me.

nomansland · Post #25 » by **nomansland** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:40 pm

Health aside, Doncic is already more of a known factor. Ask this question at the end of the year.

Pg81 · Post #26 » by **Pg81** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:10 pm

I prefer Doncic for now, because he already has proven himself but I might change my mind after this season, though I doubt it.

Bum Adebayo wrote:Zion's likely outcome if he is healthy is a top 15 player of all time, Luka's likely outcome is maybe a top 100 player of all time. So it is Zion for me.

If Luka stays on his current trajectory it is not impossible for him to reach Larry Bird levels of greatness.

JohnPferdelack · Post #27 » by **JohnPferdelack** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:20 pm

No doubt, Luka wins this battle.

RCM88x · Post #28 » by **RCM88x** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:30 pm

I'd much rather watch Zion play. I'd rather play again Luka too. But I'd rather have Luka on my team, the durability concerns with Zion are too significant. Luka feels like the kind of guy who'll be a top 5 player in the league for the next decade.

Yuri36 · Post #29 » by **Yuri36** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:00 pm

I love Luka but if healthy (that seems a big if though), Zion no doubt just because of the position he plays.
The same way I would take Shaq over Jordan or Kobe if I had to build a team.

SwatLakeCity527 · Post #30 » by **SwatLakeCity527** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:05 pm

Zion if healthy, for sure.

I question the timing of this thread, though. Seems like it is trying to take advantage of the fact that Zion is currently hurt, just to win some imaginary Luka points.

Funcrusher · Post #31 » by **Funcrusher** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:13 pm

CodeBreaker wrote:Luka over mini-Blake Griffin

that makes exactly zero sense. do better

Post #32 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:51 am

If healthy Zion but I’m not qualified to gage injury proneness. It’s possible the risks tilt the scale in Luka’s favor.

sfernald · Post #33 » by **sfernald** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:23 am

Good timing on this poll

leolozon · Post #34 » by **leolozon** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:17 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:Zion's likely outcome if he is healthy is a top 15 player of all time, Luka's likely outcome is maybe a top 100 player of all time. So it is Zion for me.

Is likely outcome is only top 100 when he was 21/8/6 as a rookie? Top 100 is Carmelo or Tim Hardaway. You are selling him way short. He’s on a higher trajectory than that as of right now.

Your « if he’s healthy » is something you should actually factor in, not just say.

Yeah, if healthy it’s Zion. But that knee injury is concerning and makes this really close.

KembaWalker · Post #35 » by **KembaWalker** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:30 am

Whichever one can recruit the other to form a super team

reflex35 · Post #36 » by **reflex35** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:46 am

Luka might be a bit overrated here and might be a golden boy, but the problem with Zion is his weight.
As many already mentioned here Zion needs to drop weight - he carries the risk of being injury prone and his game is based on his athletic ability.

Listen to what retired NBA players are saying. If you start you career with knee injuries early it usually follows you around.

Zion has a higher ceiling but in terms of risk management I would go with Luka. He might not be a guy which dunks on everyone but you but there is a chance for you to have a 25 7 7 guy by looking at his current game... Those are extremely rare. He can be a great scorer, rebounder and passer.

CIN-C-STAR · Post #37 » by **CIN-C-STAR** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:55 am

Luka can shoot 3s off the dribble while having the natural passing vision to run an offense, which imo is the most valuable combination of offensive skills in the game right now.
Once he masters NBA PnR, he should be an elite offensive player that you can build an offense around for years to come.
For that reason I'd take Luka, even if durability weren't a factor. Zion is clearly the better athlete though, and might eventually be the better all around basketball player, too. But in today's NBA I think Luka has the more valuable skill set that is easier to build around.

CIN-C-STAR · Post #38 » by **CIN-C-STAR** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:58 am

leolozon wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:Zion's likely outcome if he is healthy is a top 15 player of all time, Luka's likely outcome is maybe a top 100 player of all time. So it is Zion for me.

Is likely outcome is only top 100 when he was 21/8/6 as a rookie? Top 100 is Carmelo or Tim Hardaway. You are selling him way short. He’s on a higher trajectory than that as of right now.

Your « if he’s healthy » is something you should actually factor in, not just say.

Yeah, if healthy it’s Zion. But that knee injury is concerning and makes this really close.

Tbh saying Zion's "likely outcome" is a top 15 player OF ALL TIME, even if he stays healthy, is a completely absurd statement on its face, and as his leading argument, it renders the rest of what he says not worth commenting on.
:crazy:

Post #39 » by **Reeko** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:07 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:
Factorq wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:Zion is literally so athletic that people are using it as a negative This is totally new.

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Agreed. There is nothing concerning about a 285 lbs. man landing after nearly jumping four feet in the air. There is no chance he'll have knee issues if he stays at his current weight.

There is nothing to suggest 250, or 260, or 270 pound men should be doing it either, but lo and behold, we watched someone do it for a decade.

What's the cutoff weight/vertical ratio for injury prone label for guys with no real injury history? 270 plus 40+ inches?

The real issue with Zion isn't his weight+athleticism, although it is a factor. The real issue is his abnormal gait. It is known that LeBron has excellent form when he runs, thus he has been able to stave off knee injuries, as opposed to Wade who had very poor running form and suffered knee injuries about halfway through his career. Watch videos of Zion walking or jogging up the court he has very poor form, he looks like a fat kid struggling to keep up. I do not believe he will last in the NBA unless measures are taken to correct his gait and modify his style of play.

reflex35 · Post #40 » by **reflex35** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:13 am

CIN-C-STAR wrote:
leolozon wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:Zion's likely outcome if he is healthy is a top 15 player of all time, Luka's likely outcome is maybe a top 100 player of all time. So it is Zion for me.

Is likely outcome is only top 100 when he was 21/8/6 as a rookie? Top 100 is Carmelo or Tim Hardaway. You are selling him way short. He’s on a higher trajectory than that as of right now.

Your « if he’s healthy » is something you should actually factor in, not just say.

Yeah, if healthy it’s Zion. But that knee injury is concerning and makes this really close.

Tbh saying Zion's "likely outcome" is a top 15 player OF ALL TIME, even if he stays healthy, is a completely absurd statement on its face, and as his leading argument, it renders the rest of what he says not worth commenting on.

Yeah... The idea of "likely outcome" of the player who has not even played 1 official game to already be seen as TOP-15 player is absurd.
Doesn't matter what your top 10- top 15 is but for the most people it's putting Zion in Kobe's, Hakeem's, Bird's territory. :lol:

Which is laughable as these are the guys who are top 10 - top 15 in my mind and probably many others. (I understand that some might feel they are higher or lower and it's just an example)