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Reason for Dallas Success 

Post#1 » by Zummba » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:23 pm

Below Trades?

2019 Season:

Dennis Smith Jr. +-: -26 total
Wesley Matthews 3P%: 32.1% 7 3PA
DeAndre Jordan +-: -15 total
Harrison Barnes MPG: 31.6 3P%: 28.6% 0.8APG +-:-65 total
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Re: Reason for Dallas Success 

Post#2 » by Yogatti » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:28 pm

They got Kristaps Porzingis for free
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Post#3 » by CIN-C-STAR » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:32 pm

The secret to their success is a combination of good players and good coaching.
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Post#4 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:35 pm

They're 11 deep, they have no scrubs. Bench unit is playing better than starters tho and that has to change
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Post#5 » by leolozon » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:37 pm

Yeah, the 4 starters they traded away weren't good, but they had no one to replace them last year. They still were close to a .500 team with those 4 starters. So replace them with Porzingis, Curry and Wright... and you should have a better team. They could easily be 4-0 considering how they lost in the 4th against Portland by not hitting their FTs.

Still... it's just 4 games. They should be favorite to make the playoffs now. But everyone would be surprised if they can get to a 6th seed or above.

They still have some weird rotations and have to figure out who will play, because they almost have too many competent players. Wright wasn't played enough in the Portland game which didn't help. Curry should play more than 22m and Tim Hardaway less 22m. Doncic is being played too many minutes to start games. He should play 9 minutes a quarter. Not 12m in the 1st and 6m in the 2nd.

They have 9-10 players who could play 25m+ a game (excluding Courtney Lee from this). Some choices will have to be made.
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Post#6 » by jazzfan1971 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:39 pm

Seems like smoke and mirrors to me. I suspect that they will come back down to Earth.
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Re: Reason for Dallas Success 

Post#7 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:42 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:They're 11 deep, they have no scrubs. Bench unit is playing better than starters tho and that has to change


Bench has been the strength of Dallas for years. Of course a lot of that was because the starters were so bad.

this year it's hard to even identify the starters since Rick changes them every game. Luka/KP are fixtures but the rest have revolved. I think the bench is always going to have better +/- numbers because Dallas doesn't have a strong 3rd-5th best players putting them at a disadvantage against other teams' starters, but then there is really minor drop off between 3-5 and 6-10 giving them an edge against 2nd units.

Ideally they would make a consolidation trade by the deadline, but its hard because they have no assets and they signed so many long-term deals this summer. So ideally 1 or 2 guys really takes a jump into being a starting caliber player. The problem is so many of their players are one-way guys. Wright, MAxi and DFS are strong defenders, but limited offensively. Curry can really shoot, but doesn't do much else. Powell will be a great roll man when he's back up to speed, but defensively he's a negative. Jackson is more offense than defense. THJ is just bad and a shot-jacker.
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Post#8 » by I_Like_Dirt » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:48 pm

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...wait, we're talking about something other than the Dirk years? I need to see more than a few games at the start of the year to convince me they're something other than the west's answer to the Pistons of the previous two seasons.
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Post#9 » by Catchall » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:50 pm

I think they'll get the 8th seed this year. Doncic, Porzingis and the shooters they have are enough to make the POs.
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Re: Reason for Dallas Success 

Post#10 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:54 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote: I need to see more than a few games at the start of the year to convince me they're something other than the west's answer to the Pistons of the previous two seasons.


Screw Sample size. We on base to win 60. We back. Luka dynasty engaged. :D

Yeah it's one quality win over a team on the 2nd night of a b2b. Now granted Denver had won like 9 2nd nights of a b2b in a row or something leading into it, but still.


The good thing as a Mavs fan is this team just looks like a legitimate team for the first time since 2016. And unlike that team which was clearly on a downward trajectory as Dirk aged, this team should be ascending with Luka. And the basketball is highly entertaining again.

I suspect there will be some fairly quick regression to the mean and Dallas will end up around .500 and outside the playoffs, but for now baby we 3-1 and only lost to Dame being Dame....
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Post#11 » by reflex35 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:55 pm

Dallas is an OK team with elite young talent in Luka and KP.

They are not something to brag about. (yet)

KP needs a full year to get back to a great form and just to prove that he can last a full season without injuries.
Luka needs a year when defences know about him and he is a target just to get used to that.

During this time Dallas needs to think on how to add a 3rd extra piece to Luka and KP and improve the team even more.

Mavs should take this year as a year for improvement and growth and not to try to do what they are not. Maybe they can make the playoffs but it should not be their primary goal.
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Post#12 » by DreamTeam09 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:00 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:They're 11 deep, they have no scrubs. Bench unit is playing better than starters tho and that has to change


Bench has been the strength of Dallas for years. Of course a lot of that was because the starters were so bad.

this year it's hard to even identify the starters since Rick changes them every game. Luka/KP are fixtures but the rest have revolved. I think the bench is always going to have better +/- numbers because Dallas doesn't have a strong 3rd-5th best players putting them at a disadvantage against other teams' starters, but then there is really minor drop off between 3-5 and 6-10 giving them an edge against 2nd units.

Ideally they would make a consolidation trade by the deadline, but its hard because they have no assets and they signed so many long-term deals this summer. So ideally 1 or 2 guys really takes a jump into being a starting caliber player. The problem is so many of their players are one-way guys. Wright, MAxi and DFS are strong defenders, but limited offensively. Curry can really shoot, but doesn't do much else. Powell will be a great roll man when he's back up to speed, but defensively he's a negative. Jackson is more offense than defense. THJ is just bad and a shot-jacker.


Rick does piss me off with his lineup juggling all the time. I suggest starting Delon because of his defence and his ability to get into the paint and draw defenders in.

They got 31mill tied up in THJ and Courtney Lee, that's not good allocation of dollars. I understand that was the downfall of getting KP but it's time to try and get something more productive outta that cap hit.

Do we have any picks available to trade or are they still tied up in the Knicks deal for porzingas ??
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Post#13 » by Slim Charlez » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:04 pm

Who says no in a CP3 for THJR and Lee + a 2nd?
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Post#14 » by Archijs » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:04 pm

Too early to call it a success and proclaim them to be a lock for play-offs.

All starts with Luka. KP is a great addition but i think this will be Luka's team.

This year I hope they make playoffs, next year they have to make the playoffs and the year after is when i expect them to do some serious damage.
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Post#15 » by GOATTatum » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:06 pm

Dallas is still a player away from real success, only problem is it seems like no top level free agents want to go to Dallas, they would rather go to Houston.
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Post#16 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:09 pm

They are making the playoffs.
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Re: Reason for Dallas Success 

Post#17 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:13 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:Do we have any picks available to trade or are they still tied up in the Knicks deal for porzingas ??


I think they can trade their 2025 1st. They could also trade pick swaps in the even years.

My guess is they do one of the following:

Use the remainder of the Barnes TPE to take on a player a team wants to dump for tax purposes. Or if they are bold package Lee/THJ for a good player on a really risky contract --- think your Chris Paul/Kevin Love type deals. With the former being more likely than the latter.

This summer they can use the rights to their own pick plus THJ's big then expiring to maybe add a piece, but any really flexibility doesn't being until the summer of 2021 when they can have meaningful cap space and will only have the one pick debt freeing up some assets.

So I don't expect any major moves from Dallas, but back when they were building around Dirk, they never had picks or assets and Donnie and Cuban managed to continually upgrade the talent by taking on bad money--something they did with KP and potentially could do again though Mark hasn't paid tax a single year under the current CBA after paying tons of it under the old one so it's unclear how willing he is too get stupid with the payroll for fear of the repeater.
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Re: Reason for Dallas Success 

Post#18 » by Showdown » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:15 pm

They play great when Doncic is off the court
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Post#19 » by r0drig0lac » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:18 pm

sucess?
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Post#20 » by dirkforpres » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:22 pm

A team with 3 Dirks was bound for success

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