MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I]

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Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?

Harden
10
3%
LeBron
89
29%
Davis
15
5%
Embiid
7
2%
Giannis
90
29%
Kawhi
29
9%
Jokić
3
1%
KAT
6
2%
Lillard
7
2%
Dončić
52
17%
 
Total votes: 308

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Re: 2019-20 MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 1) 

Post#121 » by freethedevil » Thu Nov 7, 2019 12:02 pm

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Oscar9992 wrote:Giannis is off the charts right now...

29 PPG, 14.3 RPG, 7.6 APG, 35.5 PER.


Giannis

8 games 6-2
5th in Points PG
3d in Rebounds PG
8th in Assists PG
37th in Steals PG
17th in Blocks PG
1st in PER

TS% .642,WS/48 .361,BPM 15,VORP 1.1

Lebron

7 games 6-1
10th in PPG
27th in RPG
1st in APG
17th in SPG
66th in BPG
7th in PER

TS% .576,WS/48 .285,BPM 11.5,VORP 0.8

#1 and #2 in the MVP race IMO at the moment.

(Kawhi 29/7/6,4th PPG,39th RPG,22nd APG,2nd SPG,38th BPG,2nd PER-DQ,Load Management,Out of MVP Contention currently)

PIPM(way more accurate bpm) agrees so far.
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Re: 2019-20 MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 1) 

Post#122 » by freethedevil » Thu Nov 7, 2019 12:03 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Serious question: How is Trae Young not on this poll and a serious part of this MVP conversation?

Before injury he was #1 in assists and #2 in scoring. He's still top-10 in both categories.

Hawks are absolute garbage without him...

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Because he's defensive liability?
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Re: 2019-20 MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 1) 

Post#123 » by scrabbarista » Thu Nov 7, 2019 2:46 pm

freethedevil wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Serious question: How is Trae Young not on this poll and a serious part of this MVP conversation?

Before injury he was #1 in assists and #2 in scoring. He's still top-10 in both categories.

Hawks are absolute garbage without him...

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Because he's defensive liability?


True, and he's also dropped to 16th in scoring after one bad game (and 9th in assists). Such is the early season.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#124 » by Dual » Thu Nov 7, 2019 3:58 pm

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#125 » by timO » Thu Nov 7, 2019 5:08 pm

Dual wrote:Devin Booker

30 win teams dont win mvps
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#126 » by greekbuck34 » Thu Nov 7, 2019 5:39 pm

Read on Twitter
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Re: 2019-20 MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 1) 

Post#127 » by God Squad » Thu Nov 7, 2019 5:45 pm

freethedevil wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Serious question: How is Trae Young not on this poll and a serious part of this MVP conversation?

Before injury he was #1 in assists and #2 in scoring. He's still top-10 in both categories.

Hawks are absolute garbage without him...

Read on Twitter

Because he's defensive liability?

More so, not like the Hawks are world beaters with him. Maybe have him in the top 10?
Edit : maybe even top 7
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#128 » by Dual » Thu Nov 7, 2019 5:48 pm

timO wrote:
Dual wrote:Devin Booker

30 win teams dont win mvps

If we get to the playoffs he will have to be considered for the MVP award I believe.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#129 » by God Squad » Thu Nov 7, 2019 5:49 pm

Dual wrote:
timO wrote:
Dual wrote:Devin Booker

30 win teams dont win mvps

If we get to the playoffs he will have to be considered for the MVP award I believe.

I agree with TimO. If its between Booker and Giannis or Lebron its going to them over Book. But man Pheonix is off to an surprising yet amazing start.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#130 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Nov 7, 2019 6:00 pm

And if this is actually sustainable and the Suns for some miraculous reason make the playoffs then it will be more because of their defense (currently Top-5) than it will be because of Booker. Right now it's looking like Giannis vs. the field. He's putting up absolutely absurd numbers and carrying a 12+ SRS team.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#131 » by Triples333 » Thu Nov 7, 2019 7:10 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:And if this is actually sustainable and the Suns for some miraculous reason make the playoffs then it will be more because of their defense (currently Top-5) than it will be because of Booker. Right now it's looking like Giannis vs. the field. He's putting up absolutely absurd numbers and carrying a 12+ SRS team.

Similar argument could be made against LeBron in the early going. He is not anchoring anything defensively, but that is how they have won their games. The Suns have the 5th ranked D, Lakers first. The Suns have the 10th ranked O, Lakers 14th.

Not that these numbers or any numbers really mean a damn thing yet lol. We are still very much in the "this player is just off to a hot start" phase of the season. Gotta give it another 15-20 games (ie 2-3X the current sample) before numbers become meaningful.

I would say that Giannis will clearly be top 3 by seasons end (if I make a future bet its on him) barring injury (due to narrative as well as fairly sustainable monstrous play as he grows toward his peak as an already incumbent MVP). Nobody else is a shoe in for top 3 yet.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#132 » by Wilber85 » Thu Nov 7, 2019 7:33 pm

timO wrote:
Dual wrote:Devin Booker

30 win teams dont win mvps


Living in the past?

Bet you still wear your letterman jacket !

Dudes putting up a show on both ends and shooting 50% from 3 . Also suns are top 10 offense and defense !
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#133 » by AussieBuck » Thu Nov 7, 2019 7:48 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
Read on Twitter

Can't see Wes, this checks out.
Gooner wrote:
Saint Lazarus wrote:Giannis wouldn't even be an all-star if refs accurately called his travels and offensive fouls



Bruno Caboclo would be an all star if he played under Giannis "rules".
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#134 » by machu46 » Thu Nov 7, 2019 8:11 pm

Wilber85 wrote:
timO wrote:
Dual wrote:Devin Booker

30 win teams dont win mvps


Living in the past?

Bet you still wear your letterman jacket !

Dudes putting up a show on both ends and shooting 50% from 3 . Also suns are top 10 offense and defense !


It's been an awesome start to the year for Booker and the Suns. As a Rubio fan, I love seeing the way that team is playing right now.

But just being realistic, there's zero chance that someone averaging 26/5/3 wins MVP in a league in which guys like Giannis and LeBron are playing.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#135 » by yoyoboy » Thu Nov 7, 2019 8:49 pm

I have a feeling by the end of the year this will be between Giannis and Harden again. Right now, LeBron and Giannis are my leaders but I can't see LeBron giving this level of effort come January as a 35 year old. He knows better than that. Philly will have a great record but Embiid will miss too many games. Same with Kawhi. Butler could honestly sneak into the conversation with the way Miami is performing.
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Re: 2019-20 MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 1) 

Post#136 » by LikeABosh » Thu Nov 7, 2019 10:02 pm

The Lazy Potato wrote:Giannis is dominating the league in offensive points added + defensive points saved. Best 2-way player so far by the stats and it's not even close to be honest.

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#137 » by SK21209 » Thu Nov 7, 2019 10:06 pm

yoyoboy wrote:I have a feeling by the end of the year this will be between Giannis and Harden again. Right now, LeBron and Giannis are my leaders but I can't see LeBron giving this level of effort come January as a 35 year old. He knows better than that. Philly will have a great record but Embiid will miss too many games. Same with Kawhi. Butler could honestly sneak into the conversation with the way Miami is performing.


This seems accurate, but I think Jokic will eventually work his way back into the discussion.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#138 » by johanliebert » Thu Nov 7, 2019 10:12 pm

lebron. stop questioning that freak of nature he wont slow down.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#139 » by ReasonablySober » Fri Nov 8, 2019 12:11 am

Barring injury, Giannis is gonna win it again in a landslide.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] 

Post#140 » by TOStateofMind » Fri Nov 8, 2019 12:19 am

Had Giannis winning b2b before the season. Cant see it changing unless theres an injury.
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