Kawhi Leonard on the NBA detailing his injury, if he can play in back to backs

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Re: Kawhi Leonard on the NBA detailing his injury, if he can play in back to backs 

Post#21 » by r0drig0lac » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:39 pm

can someone explain to me why a player who is clearly the best player in the league would run away from b2bgames, losing the chance to get the MVP, if he really could play, what would be the logic behind it?
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Post#22 » by thebigbird » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:41 pm

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Rest days are only ever talked about if its a nationally televised game. Because then people all of a sudden care. Is what it is.

There's a huge difference between sitting out a game here and there for load management and sitting out 20+ games for it. Cmon.


What you described is exactly what Kawhi will be doing lol. Sitting a game out here and there for load management. He'll only miss 13 if he sits out one game every b2b. It's not the Clippers faults they have 3 b2bs in the first month of the season.

Why should we believe that he only is going to sit b2bs? The Clippers have changed their tune multiple times and apparently can't even get their story straight, hence the league fine. If he only sits out b2bs I will be shocked.
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Post#23 » by manlisten » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:43 pm

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What you described is exactly what Kawhi will be doing lol. Sitting a game out here and there for load management. He'll only miss 13 if he sits out one game every b2b. It's not the Clippers faults they have 3 b2bs in the first month of the season.


If his load management is anything like it was with Toronto, which it almost certainly is, he's going to miss more than 13 games. There were multiple times where he sat out both games of a back to back and as many as 4 consecutive games for rest.


If I remember correctly he had a couple injuries and thats why he sat out the extra games. A twisted ankle and what not. Could be wrong but regardless, the point still stands. People dont say anything about "load management" if a player misses a a non-national TV game. They only care when its nationally televised. Literally the only time it's ever an issue. Then people go about their lives and don't bring it up. It's always been like this.


The reason people care in this case is because the Clippers and Kawhi have consistently been lying about the extent of his injuries. Saying he's healthy and never felt better when he's actually more hurt than he was last year now that he also has a left knee injury. Saying his load management will be a case by case basis when his rest days have already been decided well in advance. Those are the inconsistencies they've been fined for.
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Post#24 » by Forte IV » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:45 pm

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thebigbird wrote:There's a huge difference between sitting out a game here and there for load management and sitting out 20+ games for it. Cmon.


What you described is exactly what Kawhi will be doing lol. Sitting a game out here and there for load management. He'll only miss 13 if he sits out one game every b2b. It's not the Clippers faults they have 3 b2bs in the first month of the season.

Why should we believe that he only is going to sit b2bs? The Clippers have changed their tune multiple times and apparently can't even get their story straight, hence the league fine. If he only sits out b2bs I will be shocked.


I guess we'll have to see then. But regardless, if it gets Kawhi healthy to the playoffs it shouldn't be a big deal at all. Other stars should load manage too. No one wants injuries in the playoffs, but the last 5+ years or so a major star has gone down with an injury either in the playoffs, or close enough to the playoffs where he's out for them. A fully healthy, competitive playoffs is what everyone should want. Not a guy playing in a back to back scenario in November.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard on the NBA detailing his injury, if he can play in back to backs 

Post#25 » by simonbampfield » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:46 pm

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manlisten wrote:Is it me or does Kawhi come off as very disingenuous in this press conference? Saying it's disappointing because it seems like the NBA wants guys to play when they're not ready. The whole controversy is because Kawhi and the Clippers were acting like he was ready when behind closed doors he was already cleared for a full season of load management. Saying it was "shocking" that the NBA detailed his injury....why is that shocking? If not because your own organization wasn't transparent with the facts? Kawhi's character is really starting to seem questionable to me.


The injury disclosure is only going to get worse (for Kawhi) when NBA betting comes on-line. That's a big revenue stream the NBA is counting on.

I believe KL should be able to play whenever he wants if the Clippers agree to it, however there are repercussions to any player doing it.
You bring up something a lot of people haven’t thought about and that is betting.
Guaranteed there will be strict rules put in place when betting is included, it will be interesting to see how the NBA handles it and if there are revenue losses will the NBA bring forward gambling to compensate?


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Post#26 » by nikster » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:46 pm

dacrusha wrote:Last year no one cared about load management especially after the Raptors won the championship... obviously no one cared at the the time because it was Toronto's 'problem' and also ESPN refused to broadcast Raptors games anyway.

This year all sorts of ESPN fanboys and Lakers fans and Spurs fans are crying over something that is a non-story.

He missed an entire season going into the Raptors year. This year all they've talked about in the off season is about how healthy he is. That's the main difference (also why would Spurs fanboys be mad now and not last year?)
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Post#27 » by Jabroni Lames » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:46 pm

r0drig0lac wrote:can someone explain to me why a player who is clearly the best player in the league would run away from b2bgames, losing the chance to get the MVP, if he really could play, what would be the logic behind it?


Playing when you're tired hurts your efficiency and averages (PPG, RPG, APG, etc...).
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Post#28 » by Jabroni Lames » Fri Nov 8, 2019 2:50 pm

simonbampfield wrote:
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manlisten wrote:Is it me or does Kawhi come off as very disingenuous in this press conference? Saying it's disappointing because it seems like the NBA wants guys to play when they're not ready. The whole controversy is because Kawhi and the Clippers were acting like he was ready when behind closed doors he was already cleared for a full season of load management. Saying it was "shocking" that the NBA detailed his injury....why is that shocking? If not because your own organization wasn't transparent with the facts? Kawhi's character is really starting to seem questionable to me.


The injury disclosure is only going to get worse (for Kawhi) when NBA betting comes on-line. That's a big revenue stream the NBA is counting on.

I believe KL should be able to play whenever he wants if the Clippers agree to it, however there are repercussions to any player doing it.
You bring up something a lot of people haven’t thought about and that is betting.
Guaranteed there will be strict rules put in place when betting is included, it will be interesting to see how the NBA handles it and if there are revenue losses will the NBA bring forward gambling to compensate?


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But Kawhi resting isn't solely a Clippers decision. The NBA has contractual agreements with ESPN/TNT that stipulate something related to player availability... we just aren't privy to those specific terms. That's why this is a sh*tstorm.

The NBA needs to assure ESPN and the betting partners that there is 1000% integrity related to player availability. The reason the NBA is getting ahead of this is because the Clippers are damaging the perception of integrity. Once that trust is broken, that's hard to repair.
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Post#29 » by thebigbird » Fri Nov 8, 2019 3:00 pm

Forte IV wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
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What you described is exactly what Kawhi will be doing lol. Sitting a game out here and there for load management. He'll only miss 13 if he sits out one game every b2b. It's not the Clippers faults they have 3 b2bs in the first month of the season.

Why should we believe that he only is going to sit b2bs? The Clippers have changed their tune multiple times and apparently can't even get their story straight, hence the league fine. If he only sits out b2bs I will be shocked.


I guess we'll have to see then. But regardless, if it gets Kawhi healthy to the playoffs it shouldn't be a big deal at all. Other stars should load manage too. No one wants injuries in the playoffs, but the last 5+ years or so a major star has gone down with an injury either in the playoffs, or close enough to the playoffs where he's out for them. A fully healthy, competitive playoffs is what everyone should want. Not a guy playing in a back to back scenario in November.

If LeBron started sitting out games like Kawhi does I would be annoyed because I like watching him play. Sure, I'd like a fully healthy, competitive playoffs as much as the next guy, but I'm not sold on how much load management does to ensure that. Guys can get injured on any given play on any given night.
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Post#30 » by r0drig0lac » Fri Nov 8, 2019 3:01 pm

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r0drig0lac wrote:can someone explain to me why a player who is clearly the best player in the league would run away from b2bgames, losing the chance to get the MVP, if he really could play, what would be the logic behind it?


Playing when you're tired hurts your efficiency and averages (PPG, RPG, APG, etc...).

that would not be enough reason to rest, because Kawhi would receive mvp even at lower averages than the current ones, this logic is not strong enough to convince anyone.
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Re: Kawhi Leonard on the NBA detailing his injury, if he can play in back to backs 

Post#31 » by Lunartic » Fri Nov 8, 2019 4:25 pm

Why is this an issue? The Clippers are the only entity that should care, he is their employee and they have reached an agreement with him as far as his schedule and games played. They pay him. "Fans" can gtfo -- you should be a fan of the team not a player that just arrived a few months ago.

Some player's bodies cannot withstand all 82 games, which is why almost no player in the NBA plays all 82 games. Leonard has never played 82 games even when he was with the Spurs. He's always been injury prone.

What's the worst case scenario here? That Leonard is secretly 100% healthy and just wants a advantage on the rest of the league in terms of rest days? Well guess what? If that is indeed the case, every team can do the same thing.

And if "rest" is the secret weapon and the difference maker between winning a title and losing in the first round, then Leonard is doing the league a favor and drawing attention to the over-long 82 game season and its effect on play.
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Post#32 » by Slim Charlez » Fri Nov 8, 2019 4:43 pm

So tired of hearing about this clown. Who cares?! If he plays he plays if he doesn't he doesn't. I mean it's not like the clippers aren't on national TV every other day, if you don't see him one day against the bucks you'll see him a day or two later against the Blazers.
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Post#33 » by And1+2 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 5:04 pm

Family, and "large market" (debatable) not withstanding, Toronto was by far the best spot for Kawhi and his basketball career:

The fans would have been more than understanding about Kawhi's "load management" and the NBA would not have cared. He also would have had a higher chance of winning multiple championships.

Oh well.
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Post#34 » by Beethoven » Fri Nov 8, 2019 5:06 pm

He's an ass. So glad he is on the clips
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Post#35 » by Perseus1966 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 5:23 pm

r0drig0lac wrote:can someone explain to me why a player who is clearly the best player in the league would run away from b2bgames, losing the chance to get the MVP, if he really could play, what would be the logic behind it?

Sympathy from the officials ,poor guy plays injured give him 6 ft.
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Post#36 » by snaquille oatmeal » Fri Nov 8, 2019 5:24 pm

So I’m at a point where I have 60 days vacation on the books but if I accumulate any more than that I lose them. I am going to start load managing and take a day off every other week. Go me!!!
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Post#37 » by madmaxmedia » Fri Nov 8, 2019 6:01 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:So I’m at a point where I have 60 days vacation on the books but if I accumulate any more than that I lose them. I am going to start load managing and take a day off every other week. Go me!!!


All companies should give their employees 5 load management days a year, in addition to 5 sick days a year. They are different.
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Post#38 » by GG0701 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 7:51 pm

Jabroni Lames wrote:
r0drig0lac wrote:can someone explain to me why a player who is clearly the best player in the league would run away from b2bgames, losing the chance to get the MVP, if he really could play, what would be the logic behind it?


Playing when you're tired hurts your efficiency and averages (PPG, RPG, APG, etc...).


Kawhi doesn’t care about that. There’s such an agenda by people who didn’t start paying attention to him until this season to paint him as a type of person he’s never been.

If you listened/watched only 30% of what he does and says you’d know that he does have a medical condition, he is a private person and he doesn’t care about stats. He speaks in the most literal way and he doesn’t talk just to talk.
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Post#39 » by gst8 » Fri Nov 8, 2019 7:59 pm

So there must be some type of consent of the league wouldn’t go near discussing any player’s health information publicly so how shocking could it really be?
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Post#40 » by Sprewell4Three » Fri Nov 8, 2019 8:39 pm

I don’t know why people are this upset. Especially this early in the season z

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