Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season

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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#81 » by Mr Puddles » Sat Nov 9, 2019 3:27 am

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Honestly man, it’s not a reach to see the reasons why that would be illegal under the recruiting rules. Even if this happened on a larger scale in the NBA in regards to a FA, fans of opposing teams would be upset.

Person does a huge favor for a soon to be FA athlete before they are part of a FO, little later person is hired by the FO of a team for a lucrative position, athlete signs w/ that team as a FA. That’s what happened here, and if this guy is really that good, you got to wonder if the relationship and favors he had due.to Penny is a reason Penny got the coaching job - how much is his salary?

Not the first time Memphis has done shady stuff either. I guess if this getting paid for your likeness stuff happens you’d hope to see less of this shady crap cause maybe parents will wise up and stop taking handouts that risk their kids eligibility (of course that will only work if the legit money is significantly greater than the shady money). I guess if the kid would have chose another school though none of this would matter, right?


Are you suggesting Penny was in need of money?


I’m suggesting that there is a possibility he got his job, which I’m sure is paying him at least a couple million, because someone knew he could deliver this kid to Memphis. This guy is really good?, right? If so, the optics are not good.


The problem is that now you have to start defining where the line is.

Let's say in a hypothetical scenario Penny sets up a basketball camp for underprivileged but talented kids. Given Penny's connections and name recognition these kids could benefit a lot more from this than an 11 thousand dollar gift. Penny uses his sponsorship connections and relationships to get some of the best trainers, nutritionists, physicians, housing etc. to work with these kids during the entire summer before they return to school - all in the name of charity.

Now a couple of years later Penny gets offered a coaching position. Of course he's going to have great relationships with these kids. Should be be disqualified from recruiting them now and should these players be suspended for the year if they do end up choosing to play for him?
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#82 » by DaPessimist » Sat Nov 9, 2019 3:41 am

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DaPessimist wrote:If I'm the NBA I throw 500k at this guy to play in the G-League for a season. It's time they try to take their Minor League system to the next level.


People will not pay to watch top prospects on random G League teams.



I disagree. If Zion was on a G-League team last season, every game would have been nationally broadcast. Whatever venue he played in, would have been standing room only.

And on top of the 500k these players can start earning endorsement money right away, and playing and training in a professional organization.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#83 » by chitownsalesmen » Sat Nov 9, 2019 3:50 am

ThunderBolt wrote:How does the NBA even have the rights to go into people past from 12 years ago?

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Yeah that didn't even make sense, they where eyeing up a seven year old to play college basketball 12 years ago? doesn't add up.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#84 » by Buckets22 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 3:56 am

The wise move is to leave NCAA and go to Europe for a season.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#85 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Nov 9, 2019 3:57 am

chitownsalesmen wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:How does the NBA even have the rights to go into people past from 12 years ago?

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Edit nevermind


Yeah that didn't even make sense, they where eyeing up a seven year old to play college basketball 12 years ago? doesn't add up.


It's the NCAA. If anybody would do something ridiculous like that, it's them.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#86 » by chitownsalesmen » Sat Nov 9, 2019 3:58 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:
chitownsalesmen wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:How does the NBA even have the rights to go into people past from 12 years ago?

Read on Twitter


Edit nevermind


Yeah that didn't even make sense, they where eyeing up a seven year old to play college basketball 12 years ago? doesn't add up.


It's the NCAA. If anybody would do something ridiculous like that, it's them.


But that would have been Penny not the ncaa. lol
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#87 » by Sedale Threatt » Sat Nov 9, 2019 4:00 am

chitownsalesmen wrote:
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Yeah that didn't even make sense, they where eyeing up a seven year old to play college basketball 12 years ago? doesn't add up.


It's the NCAA. If anybody would do something ridiculous like that, it's them.


But that would have been Penny not the ncaa. lol


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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#88 » by Sofia » Sat Nov 9, 2019 4:22 am

I guess James wasn’t a wise man

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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#89 » by Sofia » Sat Nov 9, 2019 4:28 am

But really, **** the NCAA
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#90 » by DuckIII » Sat Nov 9, 2019 4:55 am

LakersLegacy wrote:Is Penny still allowed to coach??


Penny was not a NCAA coach when he paid Wiseman the money, so it has no impact on his coaching status.

Before I say more, let me first say I think all “illegal recruiting” rules should be abolished and players should be able to receive whatever benefits schools, Boosters, coaches, corporations, whatever, want to give them.

However, if you are going to have recruiting rules, it’s not hard to see that this smells rotten.

But ironically the obvious rotten stench is what makes this even more egregious. Because the NCAA knew about this in freaking MAY. And they are just now doing something about it. That is bull ****. And such a NCAA way to handle it. The NCAA is many things (hypocritical, corrupt, repulsive, exploitive), all bad. Including being just good old fashioned dumb and incompetent. Why wait until November to do this? Morons.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#91 » by Zenzibar » Sat Nov 9, 2019 4:56 am

NBAFan93 wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:This is a travesty to take a young man's ability to make a living based on his skills. Wiseman and the NBAPA has a chance to take the NCAA and their money grab down.
Wiseman should just sue to declare himself a free agent, no draft, no controls.


I think the fair thing - assuming the NBA won’t end one and done tomorrow (cause that’s what’s preventing him from joining the NBA - the NBA’s rule, not the NCAA) - would be to allow him to go play for another college that isn’t Memphis.



But the NCAA in it's entirety ruled him ineligible for something that occurred when he was 8 years old. Think about this for a minute.

Wiseman should challenge the entire draft process for doing this to him and declare himself a free agent. Not restricted by any draft or NCAA bylaws.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#92 » by azcatz11 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 5:10 am

DaPessimist wrote:
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DaPessimist wrote:If I'm the NBA I throw 500k at this guy to play in the G-League for a season. It's time they try to take their Minor League system to the next level.


People will not pay to watch top prospects on random G League teams.



I disagree. If Zion was on a G-League team last season, every game would have been nationally broadcast. Whatever venue he played in, would have been standing room only.

And on top of the 500k these players can start earning endorsement money right away, and playing and training in a professional organization.


I'm going to respectfully disagree with your post. Zion is a generational marketable athlete so he shouldn't be taken as baseline. What other players would be nationally televised? If you have 1 a year that's marketable what are we even arguing?
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#93 » by Zenzibar » Sat Nov 9, 2019 5:10 am

chitownsalesmen wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:How does the NBA even have the rights to go into people past from 12 years ago?

Read on Twitter


Edit nevermind



Yeah that didn't even make sense, they where eyeing up a seven year old to play college basketball 12 years ago? doesn't add up.


One of the other big competitive schools dug this up and decided to ruin a kids chance to play college ball. Penny was training kids for a minute, Wiseman's family was probably in a fked up neighborhood and he moved them closer to him. They worked together and boom.

He said to Memphis, I have a young talent but I want to coach him and Memphis of course said yes. One year later Wiseman is signing a letter of intent.

This all I can see.
But these bytches of NCAA, got some snitch news and could have decided to not only prohibit Wiseman from playing for Memphis but immediately allow him to sign with another school, which would have been acceptably logical. But someone up there made the most idiotic call to not allow the kid to play in college at ALL.

Wait why, he's still a 19yr old kid in all this, who growing up probably and innocently saw Penny as family. Now he's distraught somewhere cause he been envisioning this moment for years. He was 8.

How fair is that? FK the NCAA and this call. Sue them NCAA bytches.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#94 » by kan_t » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:03 am

I know people hate NCAA but it clearly is a conflict of interest in recruiting.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#95 » by infinite11285 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:14 am

kan_t wrote:I know people hate NCAA, but it clearly is a conflict of interest in recruiting.


The issue is the NCAA has been sitting on this since May, and just so happened to decide to "make a statement" shortly after a ruling against the NCAA allowing top prospects like Wiseman to get paid. This isn't just a mere coincidence in timing. It's a cowardly action by an egregiously corrupt organization out of spite.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#96 » by LakerLegend » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:20 am

Whatever, go to Europe or the D-League.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 draft 

Post#97 » by stitches » Sat Nov 9, 2019 6:34 am

GhostOfChicago wrote:
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DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:Why?


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In 2008

Read on Twitter

I'm sorry but this is freaking ridiculous. There is no common sense in NCAA.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 draft 

Post#98 » by DaddyCool19 » Sat Nov 9, 2019 7:00 am

stitches wrote:
GhostOfChicago wrote:
SOUL wrote:
Read on Twitter


In 2008

Read on Twitter

I'm sorry but this is freaking ridiculous. There is no common sense in NCAA.


Read on Twitter


2008 was probably a typo
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 draft 

Post#99 » by stitches » Sat Nov 9, 2019 7:01 am

DaddyCool19 wrote:
stitches wrote:
GhostOfChicago wrote:
In 2008

Read on Twitter

I'm sorry but this is freaking ridiculous. There is no common sense in NCAA.


Read on Twitter


2008 was probably a typo

Oh, OK, that makes more sense then.
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Re: Woj bomb: Wiseman ineligible for the 2020 season 

Post#100 » by Rastas » Sat Nov 9, 2019 11:46 am

Go to the NBL (Australia) with Lamelo and RJ Hampton , play a dozen or so competitive games to keep in shape then return to fight it out for a top lottery pick.
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F*#% the NCAA

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