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From what I see his struggles are due to him physically not getting much stronger or bigger.

From Duke to 2019 Celtics he pretty much still has his "baby body".

All the greats from Kobe LeBron MJ Wade on and on with the exception of maybe Durant put on weight in order to be more unstoppable.

I thought Tatum was in that mold, if he puts in weight I think he will be the player everyone thought he would be.

Do you agree, if not what do you feel is the reason for his struggles?

WillyJakkz wrote:From what I see his struggles are due to him physically not getting much stronger or bigger.

From Duke to 2019 Celtics he pretty much still has his "baby body".

All the greats from Kobe LeBron MJ Wade on and on with the exception of maybe Durant put on weight in order to be more unstoppable.

I thought Tatum was in that mold, if he puts in weight I think he will be the player everyone thought he would be.

Do you agree, if not what do you feel is the reason for his struggles?

Hard disagree. Everyone that watches the Celts regularly agree that he got a lot wider in the shoulders and has some muscle now. I think he's mostly struggling because he drastically adjusted his shot profile and needs time to get used to it. Also he's just missing some makeables now that will drop. He does need to embrace contact more, i think he doesn't use the body he has nearly enough to his advantage.

He def has bulked up...not ridiculously but his body has changed. as Celtic fans we are most encouraged by his shot selection this season. While he is not finishing good at all, horribly actually - he is getting to his spots and eventually they will go in. He is shooting 3s and layups for the most part this season and greatly reduced the long 2, side ways jump shots, and deep fade-aways.

And while he hasn’t been efficient he’s been very good for the Celtics and does have one of if not the best plus minuses in the league.

steefP2 wrote:

WillyJakkz wrote:From what I see his struggles are due to him physically not getting much stronger or bigger.

From Duke to 2019 Celtics he pretty much still has his "baby body".

All the greats from Kobe LeBron MJ Wade on and on with the exception of maybe Durant put on weight in order to be more unstoppable.

I thought Tatum was in that mold, if he puts in weight I think he will be the player everyone thought he would be.

Do you agree, if not what do you feel is the reason for his struggles?

Hard disagree. Everyone that watches the Celts regularly agree that he got a lot wider in the shoulders and has some muscle now. I think he's mostly struggling because he drastically adjusted his shot profile and needs time to get used to it. Also he's just missing some makeables now that will drop. He does need to embrace contact more, i think he doesn't use the body he has nearly enough to his advantage.

Beat me to it. No doubt he’s put on weight. Def needs more but he for sure has

He’s had a great year so I think your premise is faulty. That’s coming from one of his biggest skeptics.

,,,,because his rookie year was an illusion?

NBA leader in net rating by a wide margin Jayson Tatum?

Celts17Pride wrote:NBA leader in net rating by a wide margin Jayson Tatum?

Yeah came to post this as well. Pretty sure he’ll be fine.

GeorgeMarcus wrote:He’s had a great year so I think your premise is faulty. That’s coming from one of his biggest skeptics.

But he's only shooting 40% according to basketball reference.

Also watching this Celtics Clippers game he seems to get pushed around alot, I don't recall him playing like the way I'm seeing him play atm seems like he's settling for alot more jumpers which is why I chalked it up to his weight for his struggles.

I don't get this thread. Obviously this is your first time watching him this year, but even then, he had a bad half shooting the ball but still finished with as many points as Kemba and Jaylen combined and shot a better percentage than them too. Why is Tatum the one struggling? The whole team couldn't make a shot in the first half (and was still leading the game btw).

I think his rookie year just resulted in expectations that are so incredibly high that he doesn't actually have the talent to live up to them. His FG% is uncharacteristically low atm and I would expect that to go up, I think he's a valuable wing player who will be an all star at some point and clearly a major factor in the Celtics success this year.

He's been really hot/cold thus far. I think he's adjusting to becoming the 1b option. It seems like he's forcing it at times. Strength will help for sure, but it's not the crux of his inconsistency. He has been working on it.

WillyJakkz wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:He’s had a great year so I think your premise is faulty. That’s coming from one of his biggest skeptics.

But he's only shooting 40% according to basketball reference.

Also watching this Celtics Clippers game he seems to get pushed around alot, I don't recall him playing like the way I'm seeing him play atm seems like he's settling for alot more jumpers which is why I chalked it up to his weight for his struggles.

It seems like he's getting pushed around because the other team has 2 of the top 5 perimeter defenders in the league on him tonight

WillyJakkz wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:He’s had a great year so I think your premise is faulty. That’s coming from one of his biggest skeptics.

But he's only shooting 40% according to basketball reference.

Also watching this Celtics Clippers game he seems to get pushed around alot, I don't recall him playing like the way I'm seeing him play atm seems like he's settling for alot more jumpers which is why I chalked it up to his weight for his struggles.

I can see your angle after looking at his shooting percentages, but his defensive impact has been huge this year. I don't think he'll ever be the offensive juggernaut some made him out to be, but maybe his defense can push him closer to Paul George than Rudy Gay on the player spectrum.

haha this thread.

WillyJakkz wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:He’s had a great year so I think your premise is faulty. That’s coming from one of his biggest skeptics.

But he's only shooting 40% according to basketball reference.

Also watching this Celtics Clippers game he seems to get pushed around alot, I don't recall him playing like the way I'm seeing him play atm seems like he's settling for alot more jumpers which is why I chalked it up to his weight for his struggles.

He dropped 30 on Kawhi on good percentages and hit a three to send it to overtime.

He is shooting the right shots and getting to the rim. His issue is that he has been taking tougher shots at the rim trying to avoid contact, rather than taking the contact and getting to the line.

Idea for new topic: Jayson Tatum Is Not Struggling Because...

Celtics exp........ah nevermind

He got hot tonight from three but he's not all that and lacks the impact you want from even an allstar level player, let alone a superstar. I don't want to let tatum fans down but the dude reminds me of a rich man's Harrison Barnes, sorry fellas. He did shoot the ball well tonight and maybe i'm wrong, we'll see what happens with him.