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MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 8:09 pm
by ken6199
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 8:15 pm
by AussieBuck
Kemba out here early voting.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 8:18 pm
by ShotCreator
Harden is the best player in the league this year. All-time offense and good defense.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 8:48 pm
by RB34
I’m all for the C’s love but who tf voted for Kemba lol
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 8:55 pm
by Dimosthenis
Kemba is the real deal
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 9:01 pm
by First Take
Lebron James. Year 17, aged 35 doing some amazing things. Playing a new position with a brand new roster. The man is on a mission after everyone wrote him out.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 9:24 pm
by Packbuckman
Giannis is the best player in the league who does it all for the bucks and leading them to a league best 30-5 record.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 9:24 pm
by ken6199
Kemba: 2.
LeBron + AD: 2
This is getting good.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 9:46 pm
by Dirk
I voted for Luka,
-Draymond
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 9:49 pm
by Ballerhogger
Giannis
AD
Harden
Obvious front runners
Giannis has very considerable lead over everyone.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 10:26 pm
by scrabbarista
Harden is
1st in Win Shares,
1st in Value Over Replacement Player,
1st in PIPM Wins Added, and
1st in RAPTOR Wins Above Replacement
2nd in RPM Wins (behind James).
Those are the five main advanced stats, besides the per-minute PER, in which Harden is 2nd (behind Antetokounmpo). Antetokounmpo has less than a 5% lead in PER, and Harden has played more than 25% more minutes than Antetokounmpo.
Harden also leads the top three candidates with a +12.7 On-Off per100. Antetokounmpo is +7.4 and James is +10.4.
Harden is also 1st in my MVP formula, with 13.9 to Antetokounmpo's 13.2. James is 3rd at 11.2.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Wed Jan 1, 2020 11:39 pm
by Patches Perry
Still Giannis. It only gets interesting of Milwaukee doesn't finish with the best record in the league.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Thu Jan 2, 2020 1:12 am
by +2number4+
I'm going Luca then close second Giannis.
I just prefer the lottery to legit playoff team narrative for the Mavericks lead by the out of this world performances of Luca, a sophomore.
Forget it if Mavs fall out of Top 4 though.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Thu Jan 2, 2020 1:15 am
by zonedefense
scrabbarista wrote:Harden is
1st in Win Shares,
1st in Value Over Replacement Player,
1st in PIPM Wins Added, and
1st in RAPTOR Wins Above Replacement
2nd in RPM Wins (behind James).
Those are the five main advanced stats, besides the per-minute PER, in which Harden is 2nd (behind Antetokounmpo). Antetokounmpo has less than a 5% lead in PER, and Harden has played more than 25% more minutes than Antetokounmpo.
Harden also leads the top three candidates with a +12.7 On-Off per100. Antetokounmpo is +7.4 and James is +10.4.
Harden is also 1st in my MVP formula, with 13.9 to Antetokounmpo's 13.2. James is 3rd at 11.2.
More like those are your random picks. Why WS? Why not BPM? Why punish Giannis for playing less minutes because his team is blowing out the opponent?
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Thu Jan 2, 2020 3:16 am
by Strepbacter
It's Giannis and it's not close.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Thu Jan 2, 2020 3:43 am
by HotRocks34
Giannis
Harden
(no one)
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Thu Jan 2, 2020 3:43 am
by HotRocks34
Anyone know what Giannis weighs these days? He's jacked.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Thu Jan 2, 2020 3:49 am
by brettski
zonedefense wrote:scrabbarista wrote:Harden is
1st in Win Shares,
1st in Value Over Replacement Player,
1st in PIPM Wins Added, and
1st in RAPTOR Wins Above Replacement
2nd in RPM Wins (behind James).
Those are the five main advanced stats, besides the per-minute PER, in which Harden is 2nd (behind Antetokounmpo). Antetokounmpo has less than a 5% lead in PER, and Harden has played more than 25% more minutes than Antetokounmpo.
Harden also leads the top three candidates with a +12.7 On-Off per100. Antetokounmpo is +7.4 and James is +10.4.
Harden is also 1st in my MVP formula, with 13.9 to Antetokounmpo's 13.2. James is 3rd at 11.2.
More like those are your random picks. Why WS? Why not BPM? Why punish Giannis for playing less minutes because his team is blowing out the opponent?
Because he is completely unbiased... aside from being a Rockets fan that is nuthugging Harden.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Thu Jan 2, 2020 3:55 am
by TheProdigy
scrabbarista wrote:Harden is
1st in Win Shares,
1st in Value Over Replacement Player,
1st in PIPM Wins Added, and
1st in RAPTOR Wins Above Replacement
2nd in RPM Wins (behind James).
Those are the five main advanced stats, besides the per-minute PER, in which Harden is 2nd (behind Antetokounmpo). Antetokounmpo has less than a 5% lead in PER, and Harden has played more than 25% more minutes than Antetokounmpo.
Harden also leads the top three candidates with a +12.7 On-Off per100. Antetokounmpo is +7.4 and James is +10.4.
Harden is also 1st in my MVP formula, with 13.9 to Antetokounmpo's 13.2. James is 3rd at 11.2.
You're probably going to need to revise your formula after this season if (when) Giannis wins MVP again.
Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part II] - voting opened
Posted: Thu Jan 2, 2020 4:01 am
by brettski
Also, Harden is first in winshares while Giannis is first in Win Shares per 48. In other words per minute on the court Giannis is more valuable. In other words again scrabbarista is trying to ovwr value total minutes played to fit his narative.