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Re: Sixers Fans: Goosfraba (it's gonna be ok) 

Post#21 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:54 am

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bondom34 wrote:The road woes still worry me some, but if Brown keeps the Embiid/Horford minutes reduced I'd feel better.

Ultimately matchups will be big for the top 6 in the east, just like the west.

I do actually kind of think Harris is underrated now though, he's been important IMO.


If you ignore that contract and look at him as a role player yes but with that contract, he’s not underrated

You really shouldn't look at contract if you're rating his ability, and IMO he's been possibly their 3rd most important player. Advanced numbers are great for him this year.
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So Paul George is the reason Carmelo Anthony struggled on defense all these years...
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Post#22 » by Bayside » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:58 am

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Post#23 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:59 am

dautjazz wrote:I just get a kick out of the Sixers tanking for like 5 years to be a 1st or 2nd round exit in the East, and have had a worse record each of the last 3 years. Has Embiid really improved all that much since his rookie year? His PER36 stats and advanced stats don't really make it seem so, and he turns 26 next month, so he's entering his prime soon. Don't get me wrong, he's very talented, but I don't see him really as a leader. Simmons is a little similar, came out of the gates strong, but his offensive game hasn't really progressed a whole lot. I just don't see this as a strong 1-2 punch, and to me a guard needs to help space the floor, not hurt spacing.


2 second round exits in the first 2 seasons of trying to be good. We were never gonna jump from high lottery to Larry O’Brien without a transition period, and here we are. Good enough to beat anybody like we were last year. I’m not buying your spin.
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Post#24 » by GiannisAnte34 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:02 am

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dautjazz wrote:I just get a kick out of the Sixers tanking for like 5 years to be a 1st or 2nd round exit in the East, and have had a worse record each of the last 3 years. Has Embiid really improved all that much since his rookie year? His PER36 stats and advanced stats don't really make it seem so, and he turns 26 next month, so he's entering his prime soon. Don't get me wrong, he's very talented, but I don't see him really as a leader. Simmons is a little similar, came out of the gates strong, but his offensive game hasn't really progressed a whole lot. I just don't see this as a strong 1-2 punch, and to me a guard needs to help space the floor, not hurt spacing.


2 second round exits in the first 2 seasons of trying to be good. We were never gonna jump from high lottery to Larry O’Brien without a transition period, and here we are. Good enough to beat anybody like we were last year. I’m not buying your spin.


only *checks the standings* 6 games out of 2nd seed now! the 76ers got this
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Post#25 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:05 am

Been publicly saying it since they got Horford and Richardson: the Sixers are, in my opinion, the favs to make it out of the East.
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Post#26 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:08 am

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dautjazz wrote:I just get a kick out of the Sixers tanking for like 5 years to be a 1st or 2nd round exit in the East, and have had a worse record each of the last 3 years. Has Embiid really improved all that much since his rookie year? His PER36 stats and advanced stats don't really make it seem so, and he turns 26 next month, so he's entering his prime soon. Don't get me wrong, he's very talented, but I don't see him really as a leader. Simmons is a little similar, came out of the gates strong, but his offensive game hasn't really progressed a whole lot. I just don't see this as a strong 1-2 punch, and to me a guard needs to help space the floor, not hurt spacing.


2 second round exits in the first 2 seasons of trying to be good. We were never gonna jump from high lottery to Larry O’Brien without a transition period, and here we are. Good enough to beat anybody like we were last year. I’m not buying your spin.


only *checks the standings* 6 games out of 2nd seed now! the 76ers got this


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Post#27 » by fianchetto » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:09 am

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bondom34 wrote:The road woes still worry me some, but if Brown keeps the Embiid/Horford minutes reduced I'd feel better.

Ultimately matchups will be big for the top 6 in the east, just like the west.

I do actually kind of think Harris is underrated now though, he's been important IMO.


If you ignore that contract and look at him as a role player yes but with that contract, he’s not underrated

You really shouldn't look at contract if you're rating his ability, and IMO he's been possibly their 3rd most important player. Advanced numbers are great for him this year.


I agree to an extent but also disagree to an extent. If you ignore contract you have no baseline in your rating. You can't judge someone like Lebron James the same way you judge someone like PJ Tucker. One way to control for tiers of player like that is to discuss their value instead of their performance. For example performance (e.g. out of 10) divided by salary.

Both great players, but if lebron james is a 10, PJ tucker say 7. Clearly tucker is better in terms of value. Of course this is completely imperfect but its a bit more objective.
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Post#28 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:10 am

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bondom34 wrote:
fianchetto wrote:
If you ignore that contract and look at him as a role player yes but with that contract, he’s not underrated

You really shouldn't look at contract if you're rating his ability, and IMO he's been possibly their 3rd most important player. Advanced numbers are great for him this year.


I agree to an extent but also disagree to an extent. If you ignore contract you have no baseline in your rating. You can't judge someone like Lebron James the same way you judge someone like PJ Tucker. One way to control for tiers of player like that is to discuss their value instead of their performance. For example performance (e.g. out of 10) divided by salary.

Both great players, but if lebron james is a 10, PJ tucker say 7. Clearly tucker is better in terms of value. Of course this is completely imperfect but its a bit more objective.


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Post#29 » by fianchetto » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:11 am

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bondom34 wrote:You really shouldn't look at contract if you're rating his ability, and IMO he's been possibly their 3rd most important player. Advanced numbers are great for him this year.


I agree to an extent but also disagree to an extent. If you ignore contract you have no baseline in your rating. You can't judge someone like Lebron James the same way you judge someone like PJ Tucker. One way to control for tiers of player like that is to discuss their value instead of their performance. For example performance (e.g. out of 10) divided by salary.

Both great players, but if lebron james is a 10, PJ tucker say 7. Clearly tucker is better in terms of value. Of course this is completely imperfect but its a bit more objective.


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lol I know it sounds crazy but it's not. I'm just talking pure contract value not pragmatically


Edit: just to be clear, I'm saying the way tucker is playing and how much he's getting paid, that contract is a no-brainer. Whereas paying nearly 40 mil per year for anyone is never a no-brainer
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Post#30 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:11 am

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bondom34 wrote:
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If you ignore that contract and look at him as a role player yes but with that contract, he’s not underrated

You really shouldn't look at contract if you're rating his ability, and IMO he's been possibly their 3rd most important player. Advanced numbers are great for him this year.


I agree to an extent but also disagree to an extent. If you ignore contract you have no baseline in your rating. You can't judge someone like Lebron James the same way you judge someone like PJ Tucker. One way to control for tiers of player like that is to discuss their value instead of their skill. For example performance (e.g. out of 10) divided by salary.

Both great players, but if lebron james is a 10, PJ tucker say 7. Clearly tucker is better in terms of value. Of course this is completely imperfect but its a bit more objective.

But thats rating value on a contract, not player value on court. CP3 is still an awesome player, irrespective of contract. Harris is very good. Robert Covington is very good, him being cheaper isn't important to his on court play.
FoundANewSlant wrote:it's really fundamental defensive flaws exhibited here by Westbrook, PG, and Adams that put Melo into vulnerable positions here yet you can't recognize or explain it.

So Paul George is the reason Carmelo Anthony struggled on defense all these years...
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Post#31 » by fianchetto » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:12 am

bondom34 wrote:
fianchetto wrote:
bondom34 wrote:You really shouldn't look at contract if you're rating his ability, and IMO he's been possibly their 3rd most important player. Advanced numbers are great for him this year.


I agree to an extent but also disagree to an extent. If you ignore contract you have no baseline in your rating. You can't judge someone like Lebron James the same way you judge someone like PJ Tucker. One way to control for tiers of player like that is to discuss their value instead of their skill. For example performance (e.g. out of 10) divided by salary.

Both great players, but if lebron james is a 10, PJ tucker say 7. Clearly tucker is better in terms of value. Of course this is completely imperfect but its a bit more objective.

But thats rating value on a contract, not player value on court. CP3 is still an awesome player, irrespective of contract. Harris is very good. Robert Covington is very good, him being cheaper isn't important to his on court play.


You're right, it's a matter of perspective.
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Post#32 » by bondom34 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:17 am

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bondom34 wrote:
fianchetto wrote:
I agree to an extent but also disagree to an extent. If you ignore contract you have no baseline in your rating. You can't judge someone like Lebron James the same way you judge someone like PJ Tucker. One way to control for tiers of player like that is to discuss their value instead of their skill. For example performance (e.g. out of 10) divided by salary.

Both great players, but if lebron james is a 10, PJ tucker say 7. Clearly tucker is better in terms of value. Of course this is completely imperfect but its a bit more objective.

But thats rating value on a contract, not player value on court. CP3 is still an awesome player, irrespective of contract. Harris is very good. Robert Covington is very good, him being cheaper isn't important to his on court play.


You're right, it's a matter of perspective.

Yeah if it were like a trade value or trade forum discussion, he's overpaid. But on court I think people look at the contract a bit much. I'm usually a trade forum guy so get what you're saying too, I'm just talking about something different I think.
FoundANewSlant wrote:it's really fundamental defensive flaws exhibited here by Westbrook, PG, and Adams that put Melo into vulnerable positions here yet you can't recognize or explain it.

So Paul George is the reason Carmelo Anthony struggled on defense all these years...
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Post#33 » by GiannisAnte34 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:22 am

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2 second round exits in the first 2 seasons of trying to be good. We were never gonna jump from high lottery to Larry O’Brien without a transition period, and here we are. Good enough to beat anybody like we were last year. I’m not buying your spin.


only *checks the standings* 6 games out of 2nd seed now! the 76ers got this


Ah yes, Bucks fans are a great resource when it comes to RS standings :wink: Don’t lose that energy come playoff time


Ah yes, 76ers fans are a great resource of misplaced superiority. :wink: Don't lose that energy when you get bounced in a road series
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Post#34 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:34 am

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only *checks the standings* 6 games out of 2nd seed now! the 76ers got this


Ah yes, Bucks fans are a great resource when it comes to RS standings :wink: Don’t lose that energy come playoff time


Ah yes, 76ers fans are a great resource of misplaced superiority. :wink: Don't lose that energy when you get bounced in a road series


You mistake equality with superiority. We don’t bow to the Bucks but don’t worry, you don’t have to bow either. Respect is earned on the battle field.
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Post#35 » by GiannisAnte34 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:39 am

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Ah yes, Bucks fans are a great resource when it comes to RS standings :wink: Don’t lose that energy come playoff time


Ah yes, 76ers fans are a great resource of misplaced superiority. :wink: Don't lose that energy when you get bounced in a road series


You mistake equality with superiority. We don’t bow to the Bucks but don’t worry, you don’t have to bow either. Respect is earned on the battle field.


surely the 76ers are not equal to the Heat, the Pacers, or the Nets right now?

there are levels to this, and unfortunately the 76ers are on level 5
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Post#36 » by GeorgeMarcus » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:59 am

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Ah yes, 76ers fans are a great resource of misplaced superiority. :wink: Don't lose that energy when you get bounced in a road series


You mistake equality with superiority. We don’t bow to the Bucks but don’t worry, you don’t have to bow either. Respect is earned on the battle field.


surely the 76ers are not equal to the Heat, the Pacers, or the Nets right now?

there are levels to this, and unfortunately the 76ers are on level 5


That tier doesn't exist because the Heat/Pacers are significantly better than the Nets.

But yes, there are levels to this. Levels that incorporate more information than RS performance. The RS didn't stop the Raps from backdoor sweeping the Bucks after edging out the Sixers on a Game 7 buzzer beater.
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Post#37 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:21 am

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Ah yes, 76ers fans are a great resource of misplaced superiority. :wink: Don't lose that energy when you get bounced in a road series


You mistake equality with superiority. We don’t bow to the Bucks but don’t worry, you don’t have to bow either. Respect is earned on the battle field.


surely the 76ers are not equal to the Heat, the Pacers, or the Nets right now?

there are levels to this, and unfortunately the 76ers are on level 5


See, you lost any credibility you might have had with that post. If you seriously think that the Sixers aren’t at the very least at the level of those teams you mentioned, I seriously don’t know what to tell you.
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Post#38 » by BadWolf » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:25 am

Sixers could go either way IMO, get their **** together and go to the finals or drop our in furst round with Embiid crying to the media again. Very unpredictable team.

Also, did they close Sixers board?
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Post#39 » by LipSkinMatter » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:43 am

GiannisAnte34 wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:
GiannisAnte34 wrote:
Ah yes, 76ers fans are a great resource of misplaced superiority. :wink: Don't lose that energy when you get bounced in a road series


You mistake equality with superiority. We don’t bow to the Bucks but don’t worry, you don’t have to bow either. Respect is earned on the battle field.


surely the 76ers are not equal to the Heat, the Pacers, or the Nets right now?

there are levels to this, and unfortunately the 76ers are on level 5


The Sixers would slap the Pacers and Nets. Heat, Celtics and Raptors is a toss up. We most likely get waxed by the Bucks though so it's a moot point.
facothomas22 wrote:How am I disrespecting the Lakers? There's several of reasons to believe that the Lakers may not even be a fringe playoff team,let alone a actual playoff team.
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Post#40 » by ThumbsUpBaby » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:46 am

Sixers are trading Embiid to the Celtics for Poirier. Don't say I didn't warn you George!

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