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donkeylips wrote:

DoItALL9 wrote:Random people to move Wiggins for

If the Lakers got swept by the Clippers causing upheaval

1) AD in a S&T
Or
2) LeBron

Wiggins upgrades
3) Jaylen Brown
4) Gallinari - maybe not defensively

Bizarro world moves that could work
5) Jrue Holiday
6) CP3

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Michael Jordan wrote:Warriors could potentially win the draft and trade their pick with Wiggins for almost anyone

-Beal
-Butler
-Tatum
-George
-Ingram
-Hield

I would love the warriors to get an AD, Brown, Butler, Tatum or George but I doubt they have the pieces to get them. Im not sure any of the contenders would trade for wiggins

I don't know how strong this years draft class is but I'd say if its a top 3 pick then teams would be happy to take on Wiggins with a star prospect.

I don't see GS holding onto their pick either way when they're looking to win the championship next season. Curry, Klay, and Green will all be over 30 next year

I'm not in love with the talk of Wiggins for Beal, particularly given adding two potentially high lottery picks. Beal is better than Wiggins, don't get me wrong. I'm not even a fan of Wiggins, though he's been a pleasant surprise so far. But the real concern with Wiggins is his defense. If your goal is to improve the defense by swapping him for Beal, but that requires you to play Klay out of position at the 3 instead of as an oversized 2, in the end I'm not sure your defense is especially better, and it cost you two really good picks to do it.

Flash Falcon X wrote:Warriors haters: "Dynasty is over. They never coming back. Look how bad their team looks now."

Also Warriors haters: "Beal? How much help does Steph need???"

I don't get it. Do they suck or are they stacked/unfair? I've been confused with the narratives lately. Just like when people would say Klay/Draymond are overrated and aren't real all-stars, but then also say the Warriors are unfair for having too many good players. Make up your minds.

I, too, can be intellectually dishonest

Perhaps most critics are simply saying that Curry/Klay/Durant/Dray (4 all-stars) is a ridiculous amount of help

Anything more than 2 legit all-stars on one team is overkill and is considered a stacked team (random outlier teams like the Hawks don't apply obviously)

I guess we shall find out how good Curry is with just a single all-star when he returns this March

Man, can't we play with our new toy before we trade him away?

But if we are playing this game, I wouldn't want the move to be for Beal. The Warriors need depth at the wing position and adding Beal and moving Klay to the 3 doesn't really work defensively. I also can't see Wiggins being involved in a S&T as it would put the Warriors back under the hard cap for next season and I think they bit the bullet for DLo this year because Klay was going to be out while recovering from his ACL surgery. Who knows what wing might become available in the offseason but Tatum, Simmons and PG seem very unlikely.

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I'm not in love with the talk of Wiggins for Beal, particularly given adding two potentially high lottery picks. Beal is better than Wiggins, don't get me wrong. I'm not even a fan of Wiggins, though he's been a pleasant surprise so far. But the real concern with Wiggins is his defense. If your goal is to improve the defense by swapping him for Beal, but that requires you to play Klay out of position at the 3 instead of as an oversized 2, in the end I'm not sure your defense is especially better, and it cost you two really good picks to do it.

Even in a hypothetical where Klay maintains the same defensive impact playing SF, I'd say Beal is clearly a worse defender than Wiggins. He's truly one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league, but maybe it's inflated by his offensive usage? Either way I agree with your logic about not wanting to make such a move.

Lunartic wrote:

Flash Falcon X wrote:Warriors haters: "Dynasty is over. They never coming back. Look how bad their team looks now."

Also Warriors haters: "Beal? How much help does Steph need???"

I don't get it. Do they suck or are they stacked/unfair? I've been confused with the narratives lately. Just like when people would say Klay/Draymond are overrated and aren't real all-stars, but then also say the Warriors are unfair for having too many good players. Make up your minds.

I, too, can be intellectually dishonest

Perhaps most critics are simply saying that Curry/Klay/Durant/Dray (4 all-stars) is a ridiculous amount of help

Anything more than 2 legit all-stars on one team is overkill and is considered a stacked team (random outlier teams like the Hawks don't apply obviously)

I guess we shall find out how good Curry is with just a single all-star when he returns this March

You say this like we don't already know how good Curry is

Mamba Mentality wrote:Seems rather redundant when you already have Klay. What the Warriors need is another Iggy/Durant type...someone who can defend multiple positions and space the floor. RoCo would have been the perfect complimentary piece.

This this and THIS!

RoCo plus a few young talented guys to fill in the rotation, don't have to be plus players per say just good athletes.

GeorgeMarcus wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I'm not in love with the talk of Wiggins for Beal, particularly given adding two potentially high lottery picks. Beal is better than Wiggins, don't get me wrong. I'm not even a fan of Wiggins, though he's been a pleasant surprise so far. But the real concern with Wiggins is his defense. If your goal is to improve the defense by swapping him for Beal, but that requires you to play Klay out of position at the 3 instead of as an oversized 2, in the end I'm not sure your defense is especially better, and it cost you two really good picks to do it.

Even in a hypothetical where Klay maintains the same defensive impact playing SF, I'd say Beal is clearly a worse defender than Wiggins. He's truly one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league, but maybe it's inflated by his offensive usage? Either way I agree with your logic about not wanting to make such a move.

What's this small forward stuff? Klay guards any mobile wing offensive player to hide his off ball problems and use his fairly good on ball defense. They don't just pair him up with the hypothetical "shooting guard" or second shortest player on the other team. That role doesn't change...what changes is now they'd have a very average but somewhat weak defender in Curry and then a bad defender in beal. This could be fine if they weren't looking to play small ball where Green can't just clean up for all kinds of problems as he ages.

If we go after Beal I feel like we will be in a similar position as in 2019 but to a lesser degree. Very top heavy with no depth and one injury away from becoming extremely beatable.

I'd rather go find role players and increase the depth of our bench.

dhsilv2 wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:

Chris Porter's Hair wrote:I'm not in love with the talk of Wiggins for Beal, particularly given adding two potentially high lottery picks. Beal is better than Wiggins, don't get me wrong. I'm not even a fan of Wiggins, though he's been a pleasant surprise so far. But the real concern with Wiggins is his defense. If your goal is to improve the defense by swapping him for Beal, but that requires you to play Klay out of position at the 3 instead of as an oversized 2, in the end I'm not sure your defense is especially better, and it cost you two really good picks to do it.

Even in a hypothetical where Klay maintains the same defensive impact playing SF, I'd say Beal is clearly a worse defender than Wiggins. He's truly one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league, but maybe it's inflated by his offensive usage? Either way I agree with your logic about not wanting to make such a move.

What's this small forward stuff? Klay guards any mobile wing offensive player to hide his off ball problems and use his fairly good on ball defense. They don't just pair him up with the hypothetical "shooting guard" or second shortest player on the other team. That role doesn't change...what changes is now they'd have a very average but somewhat weak defender in Curry and then a bad defender in beal. This could be fine if they weren't looking to play small ball where Green can't just clean up for all kinds of problems as he ages.

I'm not understanding your point. I acknowledge that Klay is better at guarding on-ball perimeter threats. With Curry and Beal in the lineup he would likely be relegated to bigger off-ball wings. My point was, even ignoring that reality, Beal is also a worse defender than Wiggins in a vacuum.

Man I think the Warriors are done being favorites for awhile.

Steph and Klay will come back but theyll have a bunch of new guys around them and the magic will be gone.

Steph will be 32 going on 33. For a small-ish quick guard that's not great news. His best years are behind him.

So I'm not sure we'll see Golden State in the Finals again for a long time. Just my gut feeling.

GeorgeMarcus wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Even in a hypothetical where Klay maintains the same defensive impact playing SF, I'd say Beal is clearly a worse defender than Wiggins. He's truly one of the worst perimeter defenders in the league, but maybe it's inflated by his offensive usage? Either way I agree with your logic about not wanting to make such a move.

What's this small forward stuff? Klay guards any mobile wing offensive player to hide his off ball problems and use his fairly good on ball defense. They don't just pair him up with the hypothetical "shooting guard" or second shortest player on the other team. That role doesn't change...what changes is now they'd have a very average but somewhat weak defender in Curry and then a bad defender in beal. This could be fine if they weren't looking to play small ball where Green can't just clean up for all kinds of problems as he ages.

I'm not understanding your point. I acknowledge that Klay is better at guarding on-ball perimeter threats. With Curry and Beal in the lineup he would likely be relegated to bigger off-ball wings. My point was, even ignoring that reality, Beal is also a worse defender than Wiggins in a vacuum.

The point is Klay doesn't become out of place in this scenario. He'll guard whoever the best scorer is given maybe he can't guard the fastest guards or the most powerful wings...though I'm not sure he doesn't already cover those guys now minus when Iggy was on the floor for the power wings.

The issue is that Beal and Curry are just a bad defensive fit and the warrior's small ball just makes that even more of an issue than if it were a more traditional team in terms of having a bigger rim protector than Green.

dhsilv2 wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:
What's this small forward stuff? Klay guards any mobile wing offensive player to hide his off ball problems and use his fairly good on ball defense. They don't just pair him up with the hypothetical "shooting guard" or second shortest player on the other team. That role doesn't change...what changes is now they'd have a very average but somewhat weak defender in Curry and then a bad defender in beal. This could be fine if they weren't looking to play small ball where Green can't just clean up for all kinds of problems as he ages.

I'm not understanding your point. I acknowledge that Klay is better at guarding on-ball perimeter threats. With Curry and Beal in the lineup he would likely be relegated to bigger off-ball wings. My point was, even ignoring that reality, Beal is also a worse defender than Wiggins in a vacuum.

The point is Klay doesn't become out of place in this scenario. He'll guard whoever the best scorer is given maybe he can't guard the fastest guards or the most powerful wings...though I'm not sure he doesn't already cover those guys now minus when Iggy was on the floor for the power wings.

The issue is that Beal and Curry are just a bad defensive fit and the warrior's small ball just makes that even more of an issue than if it were a more traditional team in terms of having a bigger rim protector than Green.

Let's assume your assessment is correct. Then Curry/Beal would be guarding bigger wings that would be more likely to exploit the size disparity, and hurt team defense all the same.

It makes them legit contenders but not favorites. Further, we have to see how Klay Bounces back from his very serious injury.

Pennebaker wrote:Man I think the Warriors are done being favorites for awhile.

Steph and Klay will come back but theyll have a bunch of new guys around them and the magic will be gone.

Steph will be 32 going on 33. For a small-ish quick guard that's not great news. His best years are behind him.

So I'm not sure we'll see Golden State in the Finals again for a long time. Just my gut feeling.

Because Steph has sat lot of time due to injuries, and he came into the league at 21, he hasn't really played that minutes compared to many guards his age. I think he'll be at the same level until he's 34/35.

wfiles wrote:There's been a lot of talks of the Warriors possibly trading for Beal this summer. They can do Wiggins, Warriors' 2020 1st pick, Minnesota's 2021 top 3 protected 1st pick for Beal. Beal, Curry, Thompson, and Green would probably be the best foursome in the NBA. Would Bradley Beal make the Warriors the favorites for next year?

with a healthy curry and klay, and a draymond who can be the old dray once again,,,gsw would be favorites WITHOUT beal

i think davis and a host of other players would make gsw a lock

GeorgeMarcus wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
I'm not understanding your point. I acknowledge that Klay is better at guarding on-ball perimeter threats. With Curry and Beal in the lineup he would likely be relegated to bigger off-ball wings. My point was, even ignoring that reality, Beal is also a worse defender than Wiggins in a vacuum.

The point is Klay doesn't become out of place in this scenario. He'll guard whoever the best scorer is given maybe he can't guard the fastest guards or the most powerful wings...though I'm not sure he doesn't already cover those guys now minus when Iggy was on the floor for the power wings.

The issue is that Beal and Curry are just a bad defensive fit and the warrior's small ball just makes that even more of an issue than if it were a more traditional team in terms of having a bigger rim protector than Green.

Let's assume your assessment is correct. Then Curry/Beal would be guarding bigger wings that would be more likely to exploit the size disparity, and hurt team defense all the same.

The problem is Beal's a defensive problem almost no matter who he's on if they're able to score unassisted (most teams don't have 3 wings who can all do that). I mean would Curry or Beal be terrible if they had to guard say Covington? Likely it isn't great but it isn't a major problem. it isn't like he's going to post them up. I mean, I don't want Beal guarding Chris Paul, and that isn't related to size.

dhsilv2 wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:
The point is Klay doesn't become out of place in this scenario. He'll guard whoever the best scorer is given maybe he can't guard the fastest guards or the most powerful wings...though I'm not sure he doesn't already cover those guys now minus when Iggy was on the floor for the power wings.

The issue is that Beal and Curry are just a bad defensive fit and the warrior's small ball just makes that even more of an issue than if it were a more traditional team in terms of having a bigger rim protector than Green.

Let's assume your assessment is correct. Then Curry/Beal would be guarding bigger wings that would be more likely to exploit the size disparity, and hurt team defense all the same.

The problem is Beal's a defensive problem almost no matter who he's on if they're able to score unassisted (most teams don't have 3 wings who can all do that). I mean would Curry or Beal be terrible if they had to guard say Covington? Likely it isn't great but it isn't a major problem. it isn't like he's going to post them up. I mean, I don't want Beal guarding Chris Paul, and that isn't related to size.

Honestly Covington has the size and length to get shots off with ease against those guys, which I consider significant. Sure it's a lesser of evils situation, but now consider playing the Clips. If Klay guards Lou Will then Curry/Beal would be relegated to Kawhi/PG which would be an absolute nightmare.

GeorgeMarcus wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Let's assume your assessment is correct. Then Curry/Beal would be guarding bigger wings that would be more likely to exploit the size disparity, and hurt team defense all the same.

The problem is Beal's a defensive problem almost no matter who he's on if they're able to score unassisted (most teams don't have 3 wings who can all do that). I mean would Curry or Beal be terrible if they had to guard say Covington? Likely it isn't great but it isn't a major problem. it isn't like he's going to post them up. I mean, I don't want Beal guarding Chris Paul, and that isn't related to size.

Honestly Covington has the size and length to get shots off with ease against those guys, which I consider significant. Sure it's a lesser of evils situation, but now consider playing the Clips. If Klay guards Lou Will than Curry/Beal would be relegated to Kawhi/PG which would be an absolute nightmare.

Oh yes, yes it would, but I don't think the issue is size per say. It is having an average at best defender and a bad one. Size is just the least of their worries with those 3.

dhsilv2 wrote:

GeorgeMarcus wrote:

dhsilv2 wrote:
The problem is Beal's a defensive problem almost no matter who he's on if they're able to score unassisted (most teams don't have 3 wings who can all do that). I mean would Curry or Beal be terrible if they had to guard say Covington? Likely it isn't great but it isn't a major problem. it isn't like he's going to post them up. I mean, I don't want Beal guarding Chris Paul, and that isn't related to size.

Honestly Covington has the size and length to get shots off with ease against those guys, which I consider significant. Sure it's a lesser of evils situation, but now consider playing the Clips. If Klay guards Lou Will than Curry/Beal would be relegated to Kawhi/PG which would be an absolute nightmare.

Oh yes, yes it would, but I don't think the issue is size per say. It is having an average at best defender and a bad one. Size is just the least of their worries with those 3.

But you would at least agree with me that Curry or Beal (probably Curry) would take on Lou in that scenario, right? They wouldn't always have the luxury of sticking Klay against ball-handlers.

Can Wiseman contribute right away?

If Warriors aren't title contenders next year...I think they're done. I think Steph probably has a maximum of two years of being as good as he is. And I really don't know how Klay will be after the acl tear and Draymond already looks done.