Bosh not a finalist for HoF

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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#161 » by Chronz » Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:06 am

thebigbird wrote:The NBA needs its own hall of fame. The current "basketball hall of fame" is a joke. If Tracy McGrady is a first ballot hall of famer then Chris Bosh should be too.

but tmac was like WAYYY better...
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#162 » by Chronz » Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:20 am

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thebigbird wrote:The NBA needs its own hall of fame. The current "basketball hall of fame" is a joke. If Tracy McGrady is a first ballot hall of famer then Chris Bosh should be too.


Tracy McGrady was a 7x All NBA player and 2x scoring champ. How does Bosh's resume come anything close to that, either than getting to play alongside LeBron and Wade. McGrady was the far superior player.

McGrady never made it out of the first round in his entire career(not counting when he rode the bench in SA). Bosh is a 2x NBA champion and went to 4 straight finals.


he was an inferior basketball player, that kind of matters more than being a great 3rd option. bosh was missing the playoffs with the kind of talent tmac carried in his prime.
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#163 » by daswunderboy » Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:37 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
FinNasty wrote:That is DUMB...

Dude is a first ballot HoFer...

Over KG ?


It's not an either or thing...

Anyway, is he even eligible? He retired February 2019 officially. Retiring requires paper work, and that is when the clock starts to tick on your 3 years. Or did they NBA backdate it to his last playing day?
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#164 » by daswunderboy » Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:47 am

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Marcus_Shart wrote:Paul Pierce isn't in yet either, and IMO was a better player than Bosh. Where's the outrage? It's a loaded class. Honestly if I were Bosh or any other player I'd want to wait till next year so my career didn't look meh in comparison to Kobe,Duncan, Kg.


Pierce's final year was 2016-2017, KG/Duncan/Kobe/Bosh final season was 2015-2016. Pierce wasn't eligible this year, his first year of eligibility is next year, its 4 years after retirement.


I forgot he hung on 1 year too long with the Clips. He should be in before Bosh anyway.


The HOF can elect more than 1 player a year. It isn't disrespectful to nominate players who had "lesser" careers. Pierce also didn't have a career that makes him one of those players you would or should say "how could Bosh get in the same year as Pierce, that is disrespectful!". Pierce and Bosh both topped out at 7th in MVP vote (which is to say they were both never in consideration for MVP). Pierce made 3 more All-NBA (both had 1 2nd team, Pierce had 3 3rd team). Bosh had 1 more AS game (votes skew that, Raptor fans put him in, although in a weak East coaches probably put him in too).

Pierce for sure had the better career, but it's not out of bounds for Bosh to get in with him. Basketball-Reference puts Pierce at 99.7% odds of getting in, Bosh at 99.5%. They'll both be there, and deserve it.
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#165 » by Raps in 4 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:53 am

Top-20 player in his prime who rode the coattails of 2 ATGs to a couple rings? He'll get in, but it'll take some time.
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#166 » by Chronz » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:23 am

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thebigbird wrote:The NBA needs its own hall of fame. The current "basketball hall of fame" is a joke. If Tracy McGrady is a first ballot hall of famer then Chris Bosh should be too.


Tracy McGrady was a 7x All NBA player and 2x scoring champ. How does Bosh's resume come anything close to that, either than getting to play alongside LeBron and Wade. McGrady was the far superior player.


TMac could have stayed and played with Vince and challenged for rings. But he left seeking individual glory, and won nothing. Bosh has rings.


false tmac joined a star superior to Vince in his move back home. almost had tim Duncan to go with Hill to boot.

lots of inferior players have won more than bosh too. what's your point?
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#167 » by MikeTheKid » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:24 am

Let the legends have there Year this year, always time next year!!!


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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#168 » by TMU » Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:49 am

I think he will eventually get in, but was never a first ballot material. Not even close.
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#169 » by Heat3 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:25 am

A lot of disrespect towards Bosh when the current small ball era is a direct response of Bosh's role in the Big 3. Not to take anything away from KG, but those saying Bosh shouldn't even be considered in the same conversation must have forgotten his impact against Boston. KG was having a field day vs the Heat when Bosh was out with the abdominal injury. That completely changed when he returned to play big minutes in the last two games. Both elimination games for Miami.

Also, we aren't even talking about "first ballot HOF". These are FINALISTS. He's not worthy of even being on the ballot? Come on son....

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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#170 » by Chronz » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:27 pm

Heat3 wrote:A lot of disrespect towards Bosh when the current small ball era is a direct response of Bosh's role in the Big 3. Not to take anything away from KG, but those saying Bosh shouldn't even be considered in the same conversation must have forgotten his impact against Boston. KG was having a field day vs the Heat when Bosh was out with the abdominal injury. That completely changed when he returned to play big minutes in the last two games. Both elimination games for Miami.

Also, we aren't even talking about "first ballot HOF". These are FINALISTS. He's not worthy of even being on the ballot? Come on son....


bigs always had supreme numbers against the diminutive heat, it only makes sense Bosh would help a tad. but he wasnt anywhere close to a defensive stalwart, especially against bigs. he helped mostly with the pnr.

he's worthy, but no one should ever compare him to a talent like tmac. that's just asinine and indicative of one's youth

and Bosh wasn't the direct response, there were plenty of more legitimate reasons than a pf who struggled rebounding and shot a low% from 3
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#171 » by E-Balla » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:32 pm

thebigbird wrote:The NBA needs its own hall of fame. The current "basketball hall of fame" is a joke. If Tracy McGrady is a first ballot hall of famer then Chris Bosh should be too.

Tracy McGrady is 7 time All NBA. Bosh is 1 time. Chris Webber isn't in yet, Bosh ain't going until he does.
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#172 » by Rastas » Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:57 am

Bosh to enter by 2032 ,
Raps fans will be still crying for career 14/4/6 Lowry to get in lol

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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#173 » by DrCoach » Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:58 pm

RoLo wrote:
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Ballerhogger wrote:3


Really? Well then....... lol

That’s some **** luck with the timing. Being a “first ballot” HoFer has an extra distinction to it that he’s deserving of...

no thats not true. u can simply go back to 2018 to disprove this.

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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#174 » by syntax » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:17 am

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syntax wrote:
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Tracy McGrady was a 7x All NBA player and 2x scoring champ. How does Bosh's resume come anything close to that, either than getting to play alongside LeBron and Wade. McGrady was the far superior player.


TMac could have stayed and played with Vince and challenged for rings. But he left seeking individual glory, and won nothing. Bosh has rings.


false tmac joined a star superior to Vince in his move back home. almost had tim Duncan to go with Hill to boot.

lots of inferior players have won more than bosh too. what's your point?


How about, FALSE. McGrady is on the record saying he wished he never left Toronto.

For seven seasons between 2000-01 and 2006-07, split between the Orlando Magic and the Houston Rockets, McGrady averaged 26.9 points, 6.8 rebounds and 5.4 assists with 1.5 steals.

He was an all-star every year and an All-NBA performer for seven straight years. His 2002-03 season when he averaged 32.1/6.5/5.5 and 1.7 is one of the best all-around individual campaigns in league history. He is one of just nine players to have a single-season player efficiency rating of 30 or more, joining Wilt Chamberlain, LeBron James, and Michael Jordan, among others.

Worth pointing out?

Over those same seven years – with the Raptors and then with New Jersey – Carter averaged 24.3 points, 5.1 rebounds and 4.1 assists.

In the past 16 seasons the only teammates to ever hit those marks are James and Dwyane Wade with the Miami Heat in 2010-11.

So yeah, safe to assume Tracy and Vince, paired for their primes, could have done some work.
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Re: Bosh not a finalist for HoF 

Post#175 » by chitownsalesmen » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:50 am

Rich Michmond wrote:
Brandon_Roy wrote:KG is just now getting in. You think this stuff just happens instantaneously ? lol

Bosh will get in some time before 2030.


This is KG's first year of eligibility.

That being said, Bosh will definitely be in the Hall, the guy is an eleven time All-Star. He may just not be a first ballot.


to even think KG isn't a 1st ballot HoF is absurd.......

Bosh will get in but Idk if he really should.
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Re: Let's not be silly 

Post#176 » by Got Nuffin » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:54 am

AussieCeltic wrote:
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QPR wrote:Again, it's not an NBA hall of fame, and basketball exists outside of the US. So why would there be a dedicated section to great international players?

Maybe it should be the basketball hall of fame and there is a special section for "Great American Players"?


Basketball has become an international sport but its popularity and dominance start and reside in the United States, a phenomenon that has existed for decades. The overall competition in the United States is much steeper than in other countries; it's only been in recent years that foreign countries started beating the United States' college all-star teams regularly.

The NBA is far and away the top professional basketball league in the world. It's also the most influential and has the majority of the top-level players, even with the emergence of international players.

P.S. Dino Radja was putting up decent numbers on some bad Boston teams led by Chris Ford and M.L. Carr. The Celtics never won more than 35 games in a season during Radja's four years. The fourth-leading scorer for the 1993-94 team was a 40-year-old Robert Parish, then a fading Dominique Wilkins was the team's leading scorer in 1994-95.


It was his body of work outside of the USA that got him into the HOF.

He won a Silver medal with Yugoslavia but the big one was a Silver medal with Croatia in the 1992 Olympics once Croatia was independent. He also won 2x Golds at the EuroBasket in 89/91.. There are plenty of junior medals as well.

He also won 2x Euro titles, 2x greek league titles (1x finals MVP), 3x Yugoslav champion, 2x Croatian league winner...


Exactly. We're talking about the BASKETBALL hall of fame - it's not the NBA hall of fame, and it's not the top 50 greatest players hall of fame.

They measure contribution and influence to worldwide basketball. Not ppg or VORP or any other statistic.

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