Bosh not a finalist for HoF

[dautjazz]

He'll get in because the standards are low but he wasn't a better player than webber and wasn't more valuable than big ben. Frankly if you gave me a Choice of peak bosh and peak Jermaine o'neal, I'd probably take peak jo

Damn I can't believe Webber has been eligible for 9 years and hasn't made it.

[VanWest82]

He'll get in because the standards are low but he wasn't a better player than webber and wasn't more valuable than big ben. Frankly if you gave me a Choice of peak bosh and peak Jermaine o'neal, I'd probably take peak jo

Damn I can't believe Webber has been eligible for 9 years and hasn't made it.

This is why: https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2148232

Not saying I agree with it but it's the why. There is no logical basketball case for why he isn't in.

[jazzmailman]

You know, basketball reference has a HOF probability page...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

Bosh is @ 99.51%, and Chris Webber is @ 14.62%. They shouldn't even be in the same conversation.

[MJ7]

You know, basketball reference has a HOF probability page...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

Bosh is @ 99.51%, and Chris Webber is @ 14.62%. They shouldn't even be in the same conversation.

This. Would probably take Amar'e over Webber too.

[Johnny Bball]

I would swear he hasn't retired, but seems like he was supposed to last spring. And if he hasn't retired or it hasn't been 3 years which is the requirement right.... that would be it. Beyond that he ain't a lock.

But be outraged, that has to make you feel good. Expect nobody to read this and the outrage or the insults to continue.

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/02/12/chris-bosh-retirement-miami-heat-jersey-retire-ceremony-part-my-life-over

[The4thHorseman]

Where are all the "Bosh is/was a superstar" people at??

I'm surprised there aren't more people posting in his defense for his prominent role he played in those 2 Finals wins. Especially in game 7 of the 2013 Finals when he was held scoreless with 7 rebounds and 1blk.

[Lalouie]

is there a cap on the finalists?

[Phystic]

The NBA needs its own hall of fame. The current "basketball hall of fame" is a joke. If Tracy McGrady is a first ballot hall of famer then Chris Bosh should be too.

Dino Radja is in the hall of fame. A fringe rotation player for some mediocre Celtic teams.

Always has to be said in these discussions it's the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame not the NBA Hall of Fame.

[Rich Michmond]

Bosh will definitely be in the Hall, the guy is an eleven time All-Star. He may just not be a first ballot.

Bosh spent his spent his Raptors career putting up big stats for lottery teams. He was above .500 only once. Then he ran off to Miami for a couple of freebie rings as the 3rd wheel for LeBron & Wade.

He was gifted 11 straight All-Star appearances, because there was hardly any competition for big men in the East. His biggest competition was an aging Kevin Garnett. In the West, it was blood bath. Prime Garnett, prime Dirk, prime Duncan, Amare, Pau, Aldridge, Randolph...

If Bosh had spent his career in the West, he'd have maybe 3 All-Stars in his entire career. And people wouldn't even think of him as a Hall-of-Famer. He'd be on the same level as Zach Randolph.

Bosh's Raptors were a poorly constructed team. His teammates were underwhelming to say the least (Calderon, Bargnani, Anthony Parker, T.J. Ford?). He did everything he could but basketball is ultimately a team game. He was not on Duncan's on Dirk's level, but he was a very solid second option material.

His rings were hardly freebie, there's no way they win without him. You'll probably mention his 0-point game in Game 7 vs the Spurs, but he was an instrumental part of Miami's defense, and he did what he was asked to do without complaining. Also disagree with him being around Zach Randolph had Bosh played in the West. I think he could easily have an Aldridge-like resume which is so damn solid on its own.

KG is just now getting in. You think this stuff just happens instantaneously ? lol

Bosh will get in some time before 2030.

This is KG's first year of eligibility.

That being said, Bosh will definitely be in the Hall, the guy is an eleven time All-Star. He may just not be a first ballot.

Agree with not being a first ballot, and I don't give a crap about 11 time all star.

The main point about Bosh being an eleven-time All-Star is that there are no players who accumulated seven or more All-Star appearances (except for Larry Foust, a guy who played in the fifties) that are not in the Hall.

[inonba]

I guess everyone has a difference in opinion on where the bar is set.

For me personally, I can't stress that enough, I'd like to see the Hall of Fame to mean more than a me too club. For example, if you were in the conversation as the best player of the decade, you should be inducted by yourself to really honor what you have done for the sport. Between 2000-2010, there should be 4 players honored as such. Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, and to some extent, Lebron for that time frame. 2010-2020, definitely Lebron.

This year, Kobe should be inducted by himself and no one else. Forget first, second, third ballot. IMO, if you were to group players like Bosh together in will tarnish the legacy of those that have done so much more.

[Vibranium]

KG would be a legit HOF even if he never won a ring.

To me that is the HOF test. Strip away the rings and how good is the player? With Bosh the answer is easy not good enough he was never viewed as the best PF and his career was cut short.

Chris Paul to me is another guy who is a definite HOF even if he never wins a ring. Russell Westbrook on the otherhand...

You cant be serious

What did he say wrong? A lot of all stars can win rings as a third fiddle, bosh was never a dominant player or in consideration for best at his position, kg and Paul are. Frankly if Bosh hadn't band rode lebron or wade he would be zach Randolph

Im talking about how he has doubts on Westbrook being a hall of famer.

[Pinkyring]

You know, basketball reference has a HOF probability page...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

Bosh is @ 99.51%, and Chris Webber is @ 14.62%. They shouldn't even be in the same conversation.

This. Would probably take Amar'e over Webber too.

Amare was a complementary piece just like bosh, bosh only has that probability because he ring chased. He was never the guy on a good team and webber was multiple years in Sacramento

[Imon]

I've always viewed Bosh as Pau Gasol East (Pau was a better player though).
Two guys who were the best players on meh teams. Gasol managed to make the playoffs 3 seasons in a row with Memphis but had a 0-12 playoff record before teaming up with Kobe. Bosh only made it to the playoffs twice with Toronto despite playing in a weaker conference.

The legacies of both guys got burnished because they were able to team up with better players than themselves (in Bosh's case two stars). I do still think Bosh is a HoFer, at least by the standards set by this HoF, so he will eventually get in.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Tracy McGrady was a 7x All NBA player and 2x scoring champ. How does Bosh's resume come anything close to that, either than getting to play alongside LeBron and Wade. McGrady was the far superior player.

McGrady never made it out of the first round in his entire career. Bosh is a 2x NBA champion and went to 4 straight finals.

And if McGrady joined a team with say Kobe and Dirk, Im sure McGrady would've gotten out of the 1st round and won a few championships as well. What was Bosh's playoff record without Wade and LeBron? I believe he has 3 playoff wins (individual games, not series) in his career without those 2 guys.

McGrady joined a team with Grant Hill (he was recruited by him) and then joined a team with Yao Ming.
It's not like he didn't have his chances.


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[Duke4life831]

McGrady never made it out of the first round in his entire career. Bosh is a 2x NBA champion and went to 4 straight finals.

And if McGrady joined a team with say Kobe and Dirk, Im sure McGrady would've gotten out of the 1st round and won a few championships as well. What was Bosh's playoff record without Wade and LeBron? I believe he has 3 playoff wins (individual games, not series) in his career without those 2 guys.

McGrady joined a team with Grant Hill (he was recruited by him) and then joined a team with Yao Ming.
It's not like he didn't have his chances.


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Seriously? Mcgrady played 47 games with Hill, over a 3 year period. The most games played in a single season for Hill during that time was 29 games.

Then him and Yao I believe had 1 full healthy season together.

You want to make the case that McGrady had a short prime because he couldn't stay healthy, sure im not going to argue that. But let's not try to act McGrady joining a team with Grant Hill then joining another team with Yao is anything close to joining a team with Wade and Lebron.

[Spacely]

All I can say is

rebound bosh

Back to Allen

3 pointer .. BANG!

[clyde21]

How come nobody claims or says how the East was a joke conference, he won only 3 playoff games in 7yrs with the label of superstar for half those years and needed a superteam just to get out of the first round?

He doesnt deserve the same superstar criticisms that others get for their shortcomings??

I dont think Bosh was ever considered a superstar in Toronto, he was always a second tier star.

So he goes to Miami, puts up worse averages across the board but gets the label of superstar for that?

I've read for almost 10yrs now about the 3 superstars who spent 4yrs together in Miami and how they ruined the competition in the East.

there was never any competition in the east it was a JV conference the entire time

Nice try tho we all know what you're doing here lol

[Lalouie]

he's not a 1st balloter

[nedleeds]

The NBA needs its own hall of fame. The current "basketball hall of fame" is a joke. If Tracy McGrady is a first ballot hall of famer then Chris Bosh should be too.

Dino Radja is in the hall of fame. A fringe rotation player for some mediocre Celtic teams.

It's a basketball hall of fame, not an NBA hall of fame. Radja is one of the most accomplished Europeans of all time.

Not sure career NBA averages of 17/9 in an era of dominant bigs is "fringe rotation" level either.

It's basically worse than Cliff Robinson or Detlef Schrempf ... neither of whom will ever sniff the hall of fame.

There should be a dedicated wing for 'Great International Players'. Dino Radja being in and Chris Webber not, or Schrempf not is a joke. We all know it, if you're Croatian I understand Radja is a fantastic player but he doesn't belong with Karl Malone or Tim Duncan, he just doesn't.

If Cliff Robinson was adopted as a baby by a Croatian family would that just make him a hall of famer? If Detlef had just gone home to Germany from WAshington instead of toughing it out in the NBA and making 3 All Star teams and an All NBA team and putting up godlike stats in Euroleague would he be a hall of famer?

Just because Radja went home after 3.5 years of NBA, he's in. It's stupid. La Bamba will probably get in the hall of fame and he's barely Rod Strickland.

If Dino Radja is a hall of famer, Bosh sure as **** is, and even Luis Scola is.

[NO-KG-AI]

This is what happens when outrage about rankings and distinctions happen before people take into account the context of the situation.