Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion

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Ja vs Zion, Who Ya Got?

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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#61 » by HotelVitale » Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:07 am



Hmm, those numbers have Zion destroying Ja. Ja shows up as a pretty average player in the stats--17/4/7 on average efficiency and weak defensive numbers (plus an assist:TO that's barely above 2:1)--while Zion's strengths are way above average. 23/7/2 on terrific efficiency is the much better stat line, especially because there are a few things that are elite or near it--which by definition are rare commodities and thus much more valuable than anything average. And all the advanced stats are in Zion's favor, sometimes drastically: he crushes him in BPM, showing up as a top-30 guy while Ja is down around 100, his net rating is 6 pts higher, like 70% better in win shares per minute. The only thing than Ja wins here is the stats that count on how many games+total minutes you've played, otherwise this is a straight flush for Zion.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#62 » by Showtime23 » Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:24 pm

Number wise Zions just destroys Ja out of the water.
I am curious that due to covid, Zion might have a legit case since no one gets to play 82.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#63 » by Dacost » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:07 pm

To me Zion could be a shaq like player that is unstoppable downlow or a Zack Randolph/Blake Griffin Type that's limited by his position and injury risk.

Right now I think he is more of a Blake Griffin type dude can't dripple/shot or pass at a high Lvl and I don't known how far running over People is going to get him.

With Ja point Guards with his skills are kind of easy to find we get one every draft.But that doesn't mean every one has one being able to run and lead a team at point guard position still gives teams ALOT of value since thet control the tempo and ball for most of the game.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#64 » by lilswift01 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:44 pm

For people mentioning Ja will be more valuable because of being a primary ball handler, i would say that Zion has just as much potential on that end. He has very tight ball handling and good playmaking skills already. I can see him develop that aspect of his game where he can comfortably get his own shot at the end of games or create for someone else. He already has the vision.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#65 » by Crizzle » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:01 pm

Dacost wrote:To me Zion could be a shaq like player that is unstoppable downlow or a Zack Randolph/Blake Griffin Type that's limited by his position and injury risk.

Right now I think he is more of a Blake Griffin type dude can't dripple/shot or pass at a high Lvl and I don't known how far running over People is going to get him.

With Ja point Guards with his skills are kind of easy to find we get one every draft.But that doesn't mean every one has one being able to run and lead a team at point guard position still gives teams ALOT of value since thet control the tempo and ball for most of the game.


hyper athletic scoring playmaking PGs every draft? lol
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#66 » by VanWest82 » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:24 pm

The Return of Zion.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29353177/the-nba-kept-zion-williamson-play-ready-put-show

While other NBA players started working out in their home markets this week to prepare for training camp, Zion Williamson never left.

The New Orleans Pelicans' rookie phenom has been a regular at the team's facility throughout the hiatus, one of several players the league granted exceptions to allow them to rehab injuries under the supervision of team trainers to avoid any setbacks. All team facilities were closed on March 20, nine days after the season was suspended because of the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.

"Zion has been diligent about taking care of himself," said David Griffin, the Pelicans' executive vice president of basketball operations. "He's in a good space physically and mentally."

Another team source went a step further.

"He's going to shock some people," the source said.


Hopefully this means we're going to get Duke Zion from an athletic and energy standpoint. He's a generational stud when he's in shape.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#67 » by The_Hater » Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:44 pm

lilswift01 wrote:For people mentioning Ja will be more valuable because of being a primary ball handler, i would say that Zion has just as much potential on that end. He has very tight ball handling and good playmaking skills already. I can see him develop that aspect of his game where he can comfortably get his own shot at the end of games or create for someone else. He already has the vision.



Zion’s handling and passing for a player of his size and athletic ability is definitely one of the reasons he is such a highly rated prospect. Barkley also had those skills and he’s a top 20 all time player.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#68 » by NO-KG-AI » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:22 am

Dacost wrote:To me Zion could be a shaq like player that is unstoppable downlow or a Zack Randolph/Blake Griffin Type that's limited by his position and injury risk.

Right now I think he is more of a Blake Griffin type dude can't dripple/shot or pass at a high Lvl and I don't known how far running over People is going to get him.

With Ja point Guards with his skills are kind of easy to find we get one every draft.But that doesn't mean every one has one being able to run and lead a team at point guard position still gives teams ALOT of value since thet control the tempo and ball for most of the game.


ZIon came out of the gate fresh off an injury scoring at a rate and at an efficiency from the field that Randolph and Griffin have never matched at any points in their long careers.

He's just a lot of calibers ahead as a physical talent, and he's just a flat out better scorer as a teenager than either were even close to being.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#69 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:38 pm

Never understand why people ignore the most obvious Zion comp --- Amare. Yes there are differences physically and a bit in their games, but at the core both were dominant scorers based primarily on their physicality and neither of them rebound or defend anywhere near the level their physical gifts would have allowed.

For Zion to truly reach MVP level, he's got to make significant growth in other areas of his game other than scoring. He's super young so of course he can. Will be up to the Hornets organization to hold him accountable if they want him to reach that potential. They never held AD accountable which is part of why he never became the transcendent player we thought we were getting.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#70 » by The_Hater » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:48 am

Texas Chuck wrote:Never understand why people ignore the most obvious Zion comp --- Amare. Yes there are differences physically and a bit in their games, but at the core both were dominant scorers based primarily on their physicality and neither of them rebound or defend anywhere near the level their physical gifts would have allowed.

For Zion to truly reach MVP level, he's got to make significant growth in other areas of his game other than scoring. He's super young so of course he can. Will be up to the Hornets organization to hold him accountable if they want him to reach that potential. They never held AD accountable which is part of why he never became the transcendent player we thought we were getting.


Not sure I see it. Amare was athetic and a great post scorer and roll man but he wasn’t a particularly good passer or ballhandler. He was also very good at using his height and quickness moreso than his power.

I still see Barkley and Griffin mostly.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#71 » by MemphisX » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:50 am

Zion is an entirely different animal. There really isn't a good comp for me. I think he will be the first and last of his type. Just an impossible physical specimen with a very good skill level.

Can't wait to see more of him.
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Re: Rookie Discussion [19/20] [part II] Ja v Zion 

Post#72 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Jul 2, 2020 8:35 pm

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Dacost wrote:To me Zion could be a shaq like player that is unstoppable downlow or a Zack Randolph/Blake Griffin Type that's limited by his position and injury risk.

Right now I think he is more of a Blake Griffin type dude can't dripple/shot or pass at a high Lvl and I don't known how far running over People is going to get him.

With Ja point Guards with his skills are kind of easy to find we get one every draft.But that doesn't mean every one has one being able to run and lead a team at point guard position still gives teams ALOT of value since thet control the tempo and ball for most of the game.


ZIon came out of the gate fresh off an injury scoring at a rate and at an efficiency from the field that Randolph and Griffin have never matched at any points in their long careers.

He's just a lot of calibers ahead as a physical talent, and he's just a flat out better scorer as a teenager than either were even close to being.


well said. Zion did things in his first 20 games (19?) in the league that most of us younger than 55 or so have never seen before from a rookie.

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